Poll: Can Geno Take Us All The Way

[AROS]

Set aside recency bias. Set aside emotions. Sit back, relax. Close your eyes and calmly answer this question...

 

[hinton]

Not sure how the answer is anything other than 'yes' based on what he put on tape.

It's worth flipping the question and asking how many QBs are better than him.Arguably 6-8? I'd say Mahomes, Burrow and Herbert are the only definites. I think age has caught up to Brady/Rodgers. I'm still unsure about Herts, Lamar, Lawrence, and Tua but they all have the potential, throw Fields and Purdy in that list too. I think Allen might have peaked last season, Im thinking longterm he might be more like Cousins than Mahomes.

So, trying to significantly improve on a borderline top-5 QB seems a low percentage shot. I'd build the team along the Eagles/Niners blueprint and I think we're a legit contender sooner rather than later.

Fix the defense as a priority, then bolster the offense in places (interior OL, RB depth, WR depth) and this team is. If we draft a late round QB to coach-up for 2/3 years while we roll with Geno I'd be good with that.

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

Yes, but I think given his age, even with the low mileage, his window could be somewhat short.

I think it's important to both keep Geno and develop a guy (hopefully with that early pick) behind him. Start Geno for maybe one, possibly two more seasons, then get some cheap years on a rookie deal.

 

[bigskydoc]

Can Geno take a team to the SB? Yes.

Can Geno take the Hawks to a SB? Only if we field a defense that can generally hold good offenses to under 21 points.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Can he? Sure, I suppose anyone can go on a hot streak. Is it likely? From what I've seen, no.

Geno is a talented QB. He's super accurate and he has got a good arm. Smith also is more mobile than people give him credit for.

Geno is the type of QB that'll do great when everything is going fine, but falter with the slightest bit of resistance. He needs a great environment around him to thrive. It's very easy to get him rattled and throw him off kilter.

Another thing to note, he wasn't particularly great in the red-zone this season. The Seahawks offense ranked 27th in Red zone offense. Smith completed only 53% of his passes within the 20 which is extremely low. On the bright side he didn't throw picks here, but other than that his numbers aren't great within the red zone and Seattle's red zone efficiency in general was bad.

Of course we need to talk about Geno's regression as well. In the last 5 games he completed 63 percent of his passes, had a 6.4 y/a and had 8 TDs and 5 INTs. Not very good. In the stretch from week 10 on he also had the highest rate of turnover worthy passes. In addition to this he had the 5th most fumbles in the NFL

I'm not entirely comfortable with signing him to a long term deal. I could easily see him coming back to his first half form. Unfortunately I could just as easily see Geno continuing where he left off in the second half of the season as well.

It's just really hard to be comfortable giving someone like Geno a massive contract. At the end of the day I just hope we're not stuck with a Russell Wilson sort of character. A good player that can always keep you in the hunt for a playoff spot, not good enough to carry his team while taking up a huge percentage of the salary cap.

When someone asked Carroll about his poor drafting last season he said "well we've been in the bottom third of the draft for awhile now". "Can't find blue chip players there as often". He's absolutely right in that regard. I could see a Geno Smith character making sense if we're the Niners, but we're not. The defense needs practically a ground up rebuild. Is spending 35 million plus on a Geno Smith really a wise idea in this circumstance?

I really don't know.

 

[WarHawks]

I like Geno, but let's all take off the rose colored glasses and get real here. When the chips are down and the game is hanging by a thread, he's just as likely to throw a pick as he is a completion. Yards are one thing, but game winning, dagger in the heart clutch plays are another. Geno has way more of the former than the latter.

 

[flv2]

I don't think Mahomes could take the current Seahawks roster to the Super Bowl and win. The Seahawks have significant Draft capital and a reasonable cap situation. They'll need to use them wisely just to stand still, because Smith outperformed his contract by around $25M. That won't happen next season.

 

[hoxrox]

Not without a top 10 defense.

 

[hoxrox]

Another thing to note, he wasn't particularly great in the red-zone this season. The Seahawks offense ranked 27th in Red zone offense. Smith completed only 53% of his passes within the 20 which is extremely low. On the bright side he didn't throw picks here, but other than that his numbers aren't great within the red zone and Seattle's red zone efficiency in general was bad.

This is on Waldron, too. He needs to improve here. Shotty called better plays in the redzone.

 

[Chuckwow]

If starting for our 2013 team, Geno would be a champion today. So I suppose anything is possible.

 

[Ozzy]

I think he is good enough with the right team around him to win it all. I don't think he's a guy who elevates a team like Russ did in his prime though. His second half of the year was completely average and was close to being well below average if a bunch of balls were picked that should've been. But to be fair to him he had a terrible defense, injured running game etc. I think he's more likely next year to be what he was the second half of this year when teams sort of realized what kind of player he was and had some game tape on him. But I'm open to the argument that a full year of starting could make him even better next year and won't fault anyone for believing it. I don't think he's good enough that I completely punt on a QB at #5 if I think an elite guy is there though so that sort of answers the question for me.

 

[Ozzy]

This is on Waldron, too. He needs to improve here. Shotty called better plays in the redzone.

I think Waldron had a lot to do with Geno's success though too even while agreeing he needs to do a better job in the redzone. Between the 20's I feel like Geno had a lot of easy throws because of play calling/design that we haven't seen here before. I would guess in year 3 Waldron gets better too.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Set aside recency bias. Set aside emotions. Sit back, relax. Close your eyes and calmly answer this question...

I used malice, bias and I was standing up with my eyes wide open with an EXTREMELY high heart rate while voting for this poll.

 

[Chuckwow]

Not without a top 10 defense.

Exactly this. And that could be possible if Pete had negotiated a longer deal with Geno before this season kicked off. I don't think this slight gets mentioned enough. Pete will say that he knew all along that Geno had the tools to take us long. And in a sense, all things considered, Geno did do surprisingly well this past year. But just HTH did Pete decide to not lock him down?

Entering 2022, Geno was pretty much on his last leg. For years the cry from him was "I just want an opportunity to start". Making like 3 mil per, Pete and John could have nailed him down by offering him 30 over 3 years and that opportunity to start. Geno would have taken the deal and laughed himself all the way to the bank. And had Geno NOT been the guy Pete believed he was, big deal. We would have a very serviceable back up making 10 mil per. We certainly have worse deals than that, in non-QB roles, on the books right now.

Instead, Geno will want at least that much annually and the 20 mil per saved could have bought us at least a couple really nice players for 2023 and the majority of this draft would be all defense. Huge blunder, IMO. It's possible the same can be said for Lock but unfortunately Pete chose to get him zero live game minutes this year...so it's tough to say whether Lock is an improved player or not.

 

[hinton]

Not without a top 10 defense.

True, but no QB since the 2011 Giants have won the SB without a top 10 scoring defense (link https://edge.twinspires.com/nfl/wha...es-tell-us-about-who-will-win-super-bowl-lvi/)

Essentially even Mahomes and Brady(who have combined to dominate the last 2 decades) can't win a SB without a top 10 defense.

To me it boils down to:
- Is is easier to find a super-elite QB that can break the trends since 2011, or
- Is it easier to build a top 10 defense and pair it with a good-to-great QB

Option 2 for me. Every time. I'm pretty happy with our secondary, I wanna see PC/JS draft/buy an elite front 7 in the next 2 years.

 

[Mistashoesta]

I like Geno. But I've seen him throw way too many int's in crucial situations or when battling from behind for my liking. Can he? Sure. I suppose. But without a terrific supporting cast, namely a defense, it may be a lot to ask.

 

[Frozenropers]

IMO, the offense is in good shape, however could use upgrades at Center, RG and #3 WR. The Defense is the major issue Right now. Front seven need substantial upgrades. Would still like to see the Hawks draft a QB in the draft this year for the future (2-3 years out), whether that be at #5 or later on depending on what’s available when we pick.

 

[Fade]

With the defenses Pete keeps rolling out there, no QB is going to win anything for the Seahawks.

The Seahawks issues continue to be on defense, year after year, yet everyone wants to talk about the QB, like it even matters.

 

[NoGain]

If you think Gino could take the current 49ers team all the way, then it seems to me you have to say yes. It's a matter of the quality of the personnel around him.

 

[Chawker]

Geno lacks desire !