Why the Seahawks Need to be Careful

[Hawkpower]

Carroll is a peaks and valleys coach. Even when we had the Legion of Boom we would struggle with the Titans.
Every year, he was good for one win against a team nobody thought we had a chance against, and one loss to a team we had no business losing to.

Probably for the same reason.

Tremendous motivator. He is incredible and getting people emotionally ginned up and in doing, getting them to produce above and beyond their normal range.

But

Highs come with lows. You cannot just hit crazy peaks without having letdowns, if you rely on teams being emotionally motivated/vested to win - then what happens when there is little reason for them to do so? You play detached and you lose to a bottom feeder team.

Now, we are a projected bottom feeder this year, so it will be harder for that to happen - but we probably have one of those losses coming out of nowhere and at least one win against an opponent nobody gives us a chance against. (I thought we would lose this one, but because of BS penalty in a close game. We managed to overcome that and there were not as many egregious penalties as I expected).

We probably end up a bit below or just at .500. But this was one of the games we expected to do well in and we won it.

Who predicted we would do well in this game?

Thats just you poo pooing the win, pretending like we were supposed to all along so its no big deal

Get real

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

Rob has a point in that this is the classic emotional letdown situation for the Seahawks. And the 49ers will be inspired to not become 0-2, while getting to play their rival in front of a loud home crowd.

But....this is quietly a huge pressure game for the Niners, and especially Trey Lance. For a team built to win now, except at QB, they can't throw this season away just so Lance can get experience.

So they NEED to win. Or at least have Lance play well in a loss. If they lose because Trey sucks, that franchise has a crisis on their hands. If they turn to Jimmy G, Young Skywalker has his spirits crushed, and Shanny and Lynch look incompetent for spending franchise changing draft capital to take a guy who looked questionable in college.

Or do they keep playing the young guy and piss off the veterans if he keeps struggling? Risking team morale?

Hope you don't choke under the pressure, Niners.

Maybe Staton does have a point about a classic emotional let down situation but what he absolutly does NOT UNDERSTAND is that Pete Carroll is an absolute MASTER at directing his team into the head space where they need to be TO BE SUCCESSFUL. The Seahawks may lose thos game vs the Niners but it wont be because they were not prepared emotionally or prepared anyother way it will be because they were out played and there is no doubt in my mind sbout that. This game is going to be a slug feast in the trenches as well a schematic Chess match between 2 of the best coaches in the NFL... Staton doesnt understand whats going on he is just running his mouth to what makes since to him he doesnt understand the Seahawks nor the culture of the team and certianly NOT Pete Carroll.

 

[Hawkpower]

Where does the team go from here after winning their Super Bowl? As Rob mentioned they are turning a victory lap into a victory mile.

They need Trey Lance to puke all over himself, even then it will still be a tough game to win.

I thought the expectation was that this team was going to tank and get the #1 pick?

Now suddenly, "fans" are worried that the team is too confident and where are the wins going to come from?

That changed quickly.

Also predictable. When the team won a game "some" here gave them no chance to even compete it, being negative is the coping mechanism. (it was their super bowl, the team is too cocky, blah blah blah)

These fans should just take the week off honestly. Nothing good comes from trying to regain pride in these transparent ways

 

[Hawkpower]

Maybe Staton does have a point about a classic emotional let down situation but what he absolutly does NOT UNDERSTAND is that Pete Carroll is an absolute MASTER at directing his team into the head space where they need to be TO BE SUCCESSFUL. The Seahawks may lose thos game vs the Niners but it wont be because they were not prepared emotionally or prepared anyother way it will be because they were out played and there is no doubt in my mind sbout that. This game is going to be a slug feast in the trenches as well a schematic Chess match between 2 of the best coaches in the NFL... Staton doesnt understand whats going on he is just running his mouth to what makes since to him he doesnt understand the Seahawks nor the culture of the team and certianly NOT Pete Carroll.

Again, funny seeing fans that predicted this team to be terrible suddenly being so concerned about an emotional let down leading to a loss to the niners

Which is it?

Is Seattle terrible and destined for an awful season where losses are better than wins, or are they capable and need to be worried about emotional let downs so that they can win as many as possible?

These clowns cant have it both ways

 

[Fade]

Again, funny seeing fans that predicted this team to be terrible suddenly being so concerned about an emotional let down leading to a loss to the niners

Which is it?

Is Seattle terrible and destined for an awful season where losses are better than wins, or are they capable and need to be worried about emotional let downs so that they can win as many as possible?

These clowns cant have it both ways

What it is, is Pete potentially put everything into week 1, the Russ Bowl, and then the rest of the season is a disaster.

Watching the Seattle defense struggle to force 1 punt, get outgained by 180 yards is a big indicator that once again they are going to struggle to get off the field and wear down over the course of the season. Exactly how it was during the Norton era. This had to change going forward, I don't think it has. Pete's completely comfortable with staying on top and giving up first down after first down underneath.

Geno was amazing in the 1st half, but then he and the entire offense were anemic in the 2nd half. Pete taking his foot off the pedal, which he is notorious for? Geno came back down to earth? Plausible, they threw it more than they ran it.

But certain long standing issues showed up once again. Peaks and valleys is real.

 

[HawkStrong]

What it is, is Pete potentially put everything into week 1, the Russ Bowl, and then the rest of the season is a disaster.

Watching the Seattle defense struggle to force 1 punt, get outgained by 180 yards is a big indicator that once again they are going to struggle to get off the field and wear down over the course of the season. Exactly how it was during the Norton era. This had to change going forward, I don't think it has. Pete's completely comfortable with staying on top and giving up first down after first down underneath.

Geno was amazing in the 1st half, but then he and the entire offense were anemic in the 2nd half. Pete taking his foot off the pedal, which he is notorious for? Geno came back down to earth? Plausible, they threw it more than they ran it.

But certain long standing issues showed up once again. Peaks and valleys is real.

Oh no. What else do you have?

 

[FattyKnuckle]

Well maybe Fade.
But they had their QB essentially be perfect for a half.

Their rookie corners essentially prevented a HOF QB from throwing to his WRs for most of the game.

They forced 2 separate fumbles at the goal line.

And they won by 1 point.


It was almost as if they had to play balls out to barely beat a team that was not running on all cylinders since it did not bother to play most of its starters in the preseason. Denver looked like crap, and it wasn't all just incredible play by the Hawks. Part might have been travel, part rust, and maybe part getting used to the new systems. But with all that, we won by a single point - and everyone from Geno, to Penny, to our corners, to our OL had a pretty good game.
It worries me that firing on most cylinders we could barely beat a team that was looking pretty rough.

Not sure why it should worry you unless you think this team is supposed to be a contender. It isn't. The fact that they're firing on (mostly) all cylinders is very good and is exactly what this young team needs to learn to do week after week after week. The rookies will continue to improve and all cylinders at the end of the season should be a much higher output than it was Monday night. Honestly, that is the most ideal outcome from the season.

 

[Hawkpower]

What it is, is Pete potentially put everything into week 1, the Russ Bowl, and then the rest of the season is a disaster.

Watching the Seattle defense struggle to force 1 punt, get outgained by 180 yards is a big indicator that once again they are going to struggle to get off the field and wear down over the course of the season. Exactly how it was during the Norton era. This had to change going forward, I don't think it has. Pete's completely comfortable with staying on top and giving up first down after first down underneath.

Geno was amazing in the 1st half, but then he and the entire offense were anemic in the 2nd half. Pete taking his foot off the pedal, which he is notorious for? Geno came back down to earth? Plausible, they threw it more than they ran it.

But certain long standing issues showed up once again. Peaks and valleys is real.

But you've already predicted this season is going to be a disaster

So why are you here starting this thread? You really arent worried about letdowns next week, or poor play the week after, so can we drop the charade?

 

[Fade]

But you've already predicted this season is going to be a disaster

So why are you here starting this thread? You really arent worried about letdowns next week, or poor play the week after, so can we drop the charade?

Read my post again. I'm worried about the same issues that have plagued the team for years.

 

[balakoth]

I'm not a Pete fan. Never have been. During this game, I think he went way too conservative in the second half. I also realize that we have a very young team and that the rookies are going to make mistakes. That being said, I never predicted that we were going to the Superbowl or even the playoffs. But if you can't understand what really happened during Russ' tenure here and why that made this one game so important to the team and former players, then I simply can't help you. So hell yeah, I am ecstatic that we got the "W" and if you're not, then it sucks to be you.

This is still an odd narrative to him
We have an OC... how did PETE go too conservative? LOL Imagine thinking the head coach literally calls every play and overrides anything he doesn't want.

 

[toffee]

What it is, is Pete potentially put everything into week 1, the Russ Bowl, and then the rest of the season is a disaster.

In your learned opinion, Pete should not have put everything into week 1, instead, we should have put on an indifferent workmen like effort for this game, just so we could safeguard finishing the season with 3 wins, oh may be 5, as you ably predicted? Now that Pete went against your advise and have his orgasm early, we will likely go 1-17 or 2-16?

 

[Hawkpower]

Read my post again. I'm worried about the same issues that have plagued the team for years.

But why are you worried about them if you've already decided the team is going to tank?

You can't predict a terrible, tanking season and then worry that they are going to be overconfident next week so they might lose......

That makes no sense

 

[HawkStrong]

But why are you worried about them if you've already decided the team is going to tank?

You can't predict a terrible, tanking season and then worry that they are going to be overconfident next week so they might lose......

That makes no sense

He literally just wants attention for being "right" when the Hawks do anything wrong and/or lose. He is a wanna-be Rob Stanton or, even worse, Kearly without the substance but all of the arrogance.

 

[nanomoz]

I tend to side with Rob on vision/culture stuff like this. He's one of the smartest sports writers around when it comes to understanding leadership and alignment. The last person that covered the Hawks that even touched on these things was probably Dave Boling (whose gone on to have incredible success as a novelist).

But I'm of two minds. Part of me thinks he's right. But part of me thinks that maybe Pete's over-the-top gushing over this game/this result is strategic. Maybe Pete thinks it will increase buy-in and pay off as the season progresses.

We know Pete is all about creating a culture. And the best teams the Seahawks have fielded in his tenure weren't filled with guys that were afraid to celebrate themselves, talk trash, and approach each game with a chip on their shoulder/sense that they don't get enough respect.

I guess we'll see. Rob's perspective certainly isn't unreasonable. But there's reasonable counterarguments.

 

[Smellyman]

This is still an odd narrative to him
We have an OC... how did PETE go too conservative? LOL Imagine thinking the head coach literally calls every play and overrides anything he doesn't want.

Problem was they weren't conservative enough second half. They had a chance salt game away in the second hafl and went pass, pass, pass 3 and out. Run the dang ball.

 

[Smellyman]

Who cares what Rob Rang thinks.

Rob Rang is fine. Rob Stanton is a smarmy know-it-all douchnozzle.

 

[seatownlowdown]

He literally just wants attention for being "right" when the Hawks do anything wrong and/or lose. He is a wanna-be Rob Stanton or, even worse, Kearly without the substance but all of the arrogance.

atleast kearly is/was a seahawk fan

 

[Rainger]

How can I puke on Fade and his posts, think he is John63 best friend or partner.

This is a serious question not just a an attack on stupid posts.

I can't find the old puke face on . Net

 

[FrodosFinger]

Where does the team go from here after winning their Super Bowl? As Rob mentioned they are turning a victory lap into a victory mile.

They need Trey Lance to puke all over himself, even then it will still be a tough game to win.

Pete always has a nice game plan and Geno runs Waldron’s offense better than Russ ever did. Having said that I think it’ll be a classic nail biter with Meyers hitting a walkoff FG to win 23-21

 

[LeaveLynchAlone]

Carroll is a peaks and valleys coach. Even when we had the Legion of Boom we would struggle with the Titans.
Every year, he was good for one win against a team nobody thought we had a chance against, and one loss to a team we had no business losing to.

Probably for the same reason.

Tremendous motivator. He is incredible and getting people emotionally ginned up and in doing, getting them to produce above and beyond their normal range.

But

Highs come with lows. You cannot just hit crazy peaks without having letdowns, if you rely on teams being emotionally motivated/vested to win - then what happens when there is little reason for them to do so? You play detached and you lose to a bottom feeder team.

Now, we are a projected bottom feeder this year, so it will be harder for that to happen - but we probably have one of those losses coming out of nowhere and at least one win against an opponent nobody gives us a chance against. (I thought we would lose this one, but because of BS penalty in a close game. We managed to overcome that and there were not as many egregious penalties as I expected).

We probably end up a bit below or just at .500. But this was one of the games we expected to do well in and we won it.

This is a lot of words to state what exactly? You do realize that what you are placing at Pete Carroll's feet is true of every team, every year.

You are free to believe what you believe and you have your share of like-minded folk to commiserate with, yet more words don't necessarily lead to more reason.

Enjoying your misery?