Drew Lock is THE GUY

[keasley45]

I dont think the decision to not start Lock is necessarily one just about talent. I still think that part of killing that aspect of Drew's makeup that has led to him not growing as he should have because he's grown accustomed to being THE guy in college and even in the pros, calls for him to be given nothing and needing to earn everything.

I also think of the two, the qb most likely to run the offense / play as designed is Geno. Lock's game to date has included improv and a tendency to force things. Giving the start to Geno gives Shane 'cleaner' film to review. And Drew gets that benefit as well... a final, extended period to learn behind a vet before he's given the reigns.

But the thought had crossed my mind that maybe they're talking about how great Geno is constantly, ..." still in the lead ", because they're trying to boost his value not as a starter necessarily, but as a very very good backup capable of subbing in for somebody like Lamar Jackson, if the Ravens were willing to part with Huntley. But the better the player part of the package is, the lower the pick compensation. If they get Huntley, then you have two guys that could potentially be THE guy in the future in their eyes as opposed to just Lock.

Stretch? Maybe. I still think it's a combination of 1 and 2, plus it gives them a chance to extend Geno some respect for what hes done, the opportunity to lose the competition, and based on a return to core team values, Lock to take the Qb1 spot. Last thing they need is to start this next era of Hawks ball with an easy target for criticism from players on the team - that the qb position is immune from competition and favors a certain outcome and that the qb is babied. They just exorcized that demon.

 

[keasley45]

Last play was on the lineman not Lock.

RB should have picked up Robinson. Not to mention, one lineman falling down while the other lineman picks up wrong guy.

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I agree that maybe the rb should have chipped the rusher, but 75 was always doubling the NT based on the original protection call. Had the protection been changed, he picks up the DL to his left, and our tackle takes the blitzer, and our Rb slides out for an easy grab.

Or drew could have just called a hot and both the Rb and slot receiver would have immediately turned to anticipate the ball coming out right away. Neither happened.

75 did fall, but he was doubling inside. Shouldn't have happened that way.

 

[Appyhawk]

After watching film I see Lock was in the process of throwing his hot read when he got blasted in the back. That's why he lost the ball. He wasn't stripped. He was throwing but the ball came loose before forward arm motion. Lock should never have ignored at least looking left as he backed from center. That much is his fault for not knowing the danger was coming fast. His RB was playing outlet the whole way. A soft blooper over the rushers head left the back with easy catch and room to run.

 

[JayhawkMike]

The defender on the RB was about 5 yards off when Lock was hit. Not sure a blooper wouldn’t have been picked off or the RB killed catching it.

 

[Spin Doctor]

If all I read was this post, I'd think we'd have Tim Tebow and his clone battling ot out Saturday night.

You can't punish a guy because his wr picked up yards. Especially in Seattle because for 10 years we haven't been able to run a proper screen play. Strange how with new QBs on the field, we run them regularly.

And both QBs showed the ability to hit some pretty ridiculous coverage windows. Geno had Fant on a beautiful pass toward the sideline ... on the move... but Fant couldn't get his feet down. He then threw another nice pass down the middle, between coverage ( again, not used to see that) to set up the first TD, and had a laser 3rd down conversion, dropped. Who knows what the Stat line is if we move the chains there.

Drew had a laser pass beating a double on Parkinson and he couldn't come down with it. That would have been a TD, but he ended up finishing the drive with one anyway.

The last sack Lock took was probably his fault, but I don't recall the screams for poor line calls when our last qb was playing. 10 years in and we were still getting free runners and taking 10 step drops.

The one at 7 30 or so in the 4th... there was nothing to do there. Their line won.

They didn't play great. They didn't play poorly. It was a pretty clear incomplete for a few reasons.

And be aware that this offseason , especially for Lock, isn't about seeing him push the ball up field. The coaches want to see him run through his reads and if there's a safer checkdown, to take it. Again that's something this offense hasn't had since Hass - just hitting the guy that's open. For a younger qb, with confidence problems and a tendency to force things, forcing him to condition himself to make the safe play allows him to grow into the long, more challenging routes with less pressure and be confident that he can take it when he sees it.

There will also be more of those shots to take once defenses come down to stop those short passes - again, something we haven't been able to do in a decade. So now, if the long ball is snuffed out, we have the short ball and ground game to turn to.

I think this preseason is going to be an iterative one, with specific goals in each, not just for the QB, but for Shane to get a sense for how deep his tool chest is going to be.

I recorded the game and just got to watching it before this post. People were praising Lock in here and talked like he ran away with the position, I really didn't see it that way when I saw him play. The dude didn't make many high difficulty throws. Most of his yardage came on YAC and screen plays. Any QB in the NFL could make throws like that, even the much maligned Russell Wilson. Lock didn't play bad, but i wouldn't say he played particularly well either.

His accuracy was all over the place when he attempted anything over 5 yards and he took two really bad negative plays to end the game. People talked about poise, didn't really see it. The two times he really had pressure on him he collapsed, and he did a poor job identifying the blitz. Now, Wilson had those issues, but he also compensated by being one of the best to ever do the scramble drill. Lock doesn't really have those tools at his disposal.

Lock turned over the ball once and came dangerously close to turning over the ball in the third quarter i believe it was. He passed over the middle to Young, and the defender was right in front of the pass.

Lock kinda showed exactly what he was in Denver. Now, I still think he should start over Geno just due to potential -- that being said I would call his performance good. Inconsistent is what it was and it's exactly the type of play that has plagued his career.

Can't say i was impressed by any of them.

 

[sutz]

Who said that Lock "ran away with the position?" I don't recall anybody saying that. Most say he barely edged out Geno, if at all. I said I'd like to see him get a chance with the No 1s and I'd like to see him start Thurs night, but that was just in fairness. Geno has got all the reps with the 1s so far and Drew deserves a shot IMO.

 

[fullquartpress]

Did anyone(or everyone) see the Melvin Gordon fumble that lost Denver the KC game?
If you saw, which Bronco failed on that play?
I can just see Melvin Ingram rushing untouched past a Bronco receiver who's running the opposite direction.
If that receiver was trying to block on the 2nd level, he could have concentrated on Level 1 and Level 0 first.
Or maybe he was a decoy receiver running toward the goal line.
Either way, he didn't get a fingernail on Melvin Ingram.

 

[keasley45]

I recorded the game and just got to watching it before this post. People were praising Lock in here and talked like he ran away with the position, I really didn't see it that way when I saw him play. The dude didn't make many high difficulty throws. Most of his yardage came on YAC and screen plays. Any QB in the NFL could make throws like that, even the much maligned Russell Wilson. Lock didn't play bad, but i wouldn't say he played particularly well either.

His accuracy was all over the place when he attempted anything over 5 yards and he took two really bad negative plays to end the game. People talked about poise, didn't really see it. The two times he really had pressure on him he collapsed, and he did a poor job identifying the blitz. Now, Wilson had those issues, but he also compensated by being one of the best to ever do the scramble drill. Lock doesn't really have those tools at his disposal.

Lock turned over the ball once and came dangerously close to turning over the ball in the third quarter i believe it was. He passed over the middle to Young, and the defender was right in front of the pass.

Lock kinda showed exactly what he was in Denver. Now, I still think he should start over Geno just due to potential -- that being said I would call his performance good. Inconsistent is what it was and it's exactly the type of play that has plagued his career.

Can't say i was impressed by any of them.

First, neither qb had the benefit of throwing to the Hawks #1,2 or 3 wr.

Second, I'd say there's a difference between can't and didn't in this game and for Lock, in his play on Denver. What Lock DID show in Denver and guys like Fant point out is his arm talent and that he can make throws that a lot of guys can't. If you've watched games of his from Denver, you'll see that the guy will make a throw or three per game that are absurdly good. His issue has been that he'll rely on that ability and then also turn the ball over throwing a bad ball thst should have never been attempted but was, because he's overconfident.

So again, the goal with Lock is to get him to do the ordinary things and play the ordinary game. Pete and Shane have said this a few times now. And if on the All 22, it shows that on that boring screen toss that rhe RB took for 25 yards, his first 2 or 3 reads were covered ( not unlikely given who atarted) and he didn't not throw there because he was late, well then in terms of evaluation, that's a big win.

He may still have happy feet if the pocket looks like it's gonna collapse, but I didn't see that from him on every such occassion.

 

[RiverDog]

Last play was on the lineman not Lock.

RB should have picked up Robinson. Not to mention, one lineman falling down while the other lineman picks up wrong guy.

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The OT does not change his own blocking assignment. Doing so could lead to a DL coming completely clean with an unimpeded run at the QB. It's either the center or the QB that changes the blocking assignments. You can't have 5 independent OL's each blocking according to their own perceived threats. Line blocking has to be a coordinated effort.

In this case, with the OL already set and the safety approaching the LOS just before the snap, it falls on the QB to recognize it as a potential blitz and make the proper adjustment to account for him should he come. This was on Drew Lock, and to his credit, he admitted it.

 

[keasley45]

I recorded the game and just got to watching it before this post. People were praising Lock in here and talked like he ran away with the position, I really didn't see it that way when I saw him play. The dude didn't make many high difficulty throws. Most of his yardage came on YAC and screen plays. Any QB in the NFL could make throws like that, even the much maligned Russell Wilson. Lock didn't play bad, but i wouldn't say he played particularly well either.

His accuracy was all over the place when he attempted anything over 5 yards and he took two really bad negative plays to end the game. People talked about poise, didn't really see it. The two times he really had pressure on him he collapsed, and he did a poor job identifying the blitz. Now, Wilson had those issues, but he also compensated by being one of the best to ever do the scramble drill. Lock doesn't really have those tools at his disposal.

Lock turned over the ball once and came dangerously close to turning over the ball in the third quarter i believe it was. He passed over the middle to Young, and the defender was right in front of the pass.

Lock kinda showed exactly what he was in Denver. Now, I still think he should start over Geno just due to potential -- that being said I would call his performance good. Inconsistent is what it was and it's exactly the type of play that has plagued his career.

Can't say i was impressed by any of them.

Again, your observations are somehow skewed way negative. Way.

And I'm not even saying it was an otstanding performance. But bad? The dude was playing to a script, without a DK, Tyler, or even (add whatever 3 or 4 wideout you want). The coaches want to see him play 'ordinary ' ball. Perfect the basic, so that he has something to go to outside of just slinging it.

It just wasn't a 'bad' performance. Nor was Geno's. Neither were world beating, but then again, neither were the receivers who were dropping perfectly placed passes.

 

[RiverDog]

Again, your observations are somehow skewed way negative. Way.

And I'm not even saying it was an otstanding performance. But bad? The dude was playing to a script, without a DK, Tyler, or even (add whatever 3 or 4 wideout you want). The coaches want to see him play 'ordinary ' ball. Perfect the basic, so that he has something to go to outside of just slinging it.

It just wasn't a 'bad' performance. Nor was Geno's. Neither were world beating, but then again, neither were the receivers who were dropping perfectly placed passes.

I agree with keasley. Both Lock and Geno threw the ball relatively well, not perfect but still no interceptions or badly over/underthrows of open receivers, and both were victims of some drops/poor footwork. I thought that Lock had the better rhythm as Geno had a bad case of happy feet on a couple of occasions, but that last play by Lock was a big strike against him, and as someone pointed out, a microcosm of the problems he had in Denver. He can't make those mistakes in the regular season.

This Thursday's game should give us a little better look as I would assume that we'll see a few more of the starters getting some time. Even so, it's very difficult to judge where we're at in these preseason games. I'll never forget the Mora year where we went 4-0 in the preseason and looked like gangbusters.

 

[keasley45]

Comical. These guys were universally trashing the qb room. Now they have 'talent'.

 

[keasley45]

And a nice ISO video on all of Locks plays. I'm not seeing the innacuracy, at least not in this game. He had a pass on a 3rd and 11 in the 3rd that i thought was a bad throw, but it was partially tipped.

His first sack came as a result of the TE failing to hold his block. The 2nd has been well documented.

Thought he showed good patience in pulling the ball down and throwing short when he saw his long option wasn't there.

Not great, but nothing to cause alarm. Footwork is still a little iffy occasionally, but I think his drops look a lot cleaner than they did. The guy gets the ball from point A to point B in a Harry. Zip isn't even the word.

 

[Mizak]

^Defending Lock like how John63 defends Wilson.

 

[keasley45]

^Defending Lock like how John63 defends Wilson.

Nothing to defend

 

[Spin Doctor]

Comical. These guys were universally trashing the qb room. Now they have 'talent'.

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Again, your observations are somehow skewed way negative. Way.

And I'm not even saying it was an otstanding performance. But bad? The dude was playing to a script, without a DK, Tyler, or even (add whatever 3 or 4 wideout you want). The coaches want to see him play 'ordinary ' ball. Perfect the basic, so that he has something to go to outside of just slinging it.

It just wasn't a 'bad' performance. Nor was Geno's. Neither were world beating, but then again, neither were the receivers who were dropping perfectly placed passes.

First, neither qb had the benefit of throwing to the Hawks #1,2 or 3 wr.

Second, I'd say there's a difference between can't and didn't in this game and for Lock, in his play on Denver. What Lock DID show in Denver and guys like Fant point out is his arm talent and that he can make throws that a lot of guys can't. If you've watched games of his from Denver, you'll see that the guy will make a throw or three per game that are absurdly good. His issue has been that he'll rely on that ability and then also turn the ball over throwing a bad ball thst should have never been attempted but was, because he's overconfident.

So again, the goal with Lock is to get him to do the ordinary things and play the ordinary game. Pete and Shane have said this a few times now. And if on the All 22, it shows that on that boring screen toss that rhe RB took for 25 yards, his first 2 or 3 reads were covered ( not unlikely given who atarted) and he didn't not throw there because he was late, well then in terms of evaluation, that's a big win.

He may still have happy feet if the pocket looks like it's gonna collapse, but I didn't see that from him on every such occassion.

I didn't say it was bad, but I just said it wasn't noteworthy. Lock looked very pedestrian, the types of throws he made were the same type of throws that Charlie Whitehurst could make. He's going to have to do more than just check it down against marginal NFL talent. I'm also saying that he didn't look as good as stats indicated. I don't think there is anything wrong with those statements.

Lock did not "run away" with the QB position like some are claiming in here, that is all i'm saying.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Geno looked like a below average QB. He is a backup at best.

 

[sutz]

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I didn't say it was bad, but I just said it wasn't noteworthy. Lock looked very pedestrian, the types of throws he made were the same type of throws that Charlie Whitehurst could make. He's going to have to do more than just check it down against marginal NFL talent. I'm also saying that he didn't look as good as stats indicated. I don't think there is anything wrong with those statements.

Lock did not "run away" with the QB position like some are claiming in here, that is all i'm saying.

I'll ask. who is claiming that Lock is running away with anything? I'm not. I think he'll win the job, but based on a practice game and 1 pre-season he hasn't done that yet. They're pretty close.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Geno looked like a below average QB. He is a backup at best.

I mean, that is exactly who Lock looked like as well. We're just saddled with below average QB's, which is okay given what our options were this season. We had no great options after Wilson forced our hand. This is a developmental year which is exciting in its own right.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Well, would you look at that. Geno gets reps with the twos and absolutely destroys today. Lock is shut down by the D.





I reiterate, it's a close competition. Clearly.

And practice isn't over. Just putting it out there. It's a competition, truly.