Article on the potential of the new D scheme

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All the things I screamed about during last season is exactly the talk they're talking and I love what I'm hearing. Gotta say I'm jacked to see this defense play and I look forward to a much better outcome from that side of the ball. I said I want to see a defense that is aggressive and seeks to dictate play when the other team has the ball. That is exactly what they're teaching. I think this is going to be a season that is a lot of fun to watch. I'm excited about it. Episode 2 will get your juices flowing!
 

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In the Seahawks existence how many times have they reached the superbowl running the 3-4 ??? I rest my case. Cheers
 

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In the Seahawks existence how many times have they reached the superbowl running the 3-4 ??? I rest my case. Cheers
That is an astoundingly nonsensical way to evaluate a defense.

Both Super Bowl teams this past year were teams running 3-4 or 3-4 adjacent hybrid looks. The Super Bowl before that was also won by a 3-4 team.

The Seahawks 4-3 under looks visually similar to a 3-4 style front due to the SAM backer playing at or very close to the LOS.

Furthermore, the Seahawks aren't switching to a strict 3-4 base. This anti 3-4 crusade has been flawed and absurd from the start.
 
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That is an astoundingly nonsensical way to evaluate a defense.

Both Super Bowl teams this past year were teams running 3-4 or 3-4 adjacent hybrid looks. The Super Bowl before that was also won by a 3-4 team.

The Seahawks 4-3 under looks visually similar to a 3-4 style front due to the SAM backer playing at or very close to the LOS.

Furthermore, the Seahawks aren't switching to a strict 3-4 base. This anti 3-4 crusade has been flawed and absurd from the start.

I think that was a mic drop.
 

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That is an astoundingly nonsensical way to evaluate a defense.

Both Super Bowl teams this past year were teams running 3-4 or 3-4 adjacent hybrid looks. The Super Bowl before that was also won by a 3-4 team.

The Seahawks 4-3 under looks visually similar to a 3-4 style front due to the SAM backer playing at or very close to the LOS.

Furthermore, the Seahawks aren't switching to a strict 3-4 base. This anti 3-4 crusade has been flawed and absurd from the start.
Nobody runs a pure 4-3 any more. And I believe the only team running a "pure" 3-4 is Pittsburgh, but don't quote me on that. It's probably a hybrid version of some sort, too. Defenses around the league are far more sophisticated than they were 20 years ago. Not to mention that most Ds run many disguised looks to confuse the O, as well.

Kind of like the concept of who's a starter is rather meaningless these days. It's a great list to introduce the players to the crowd, but it is often "incorrect" if they open the game in a non-standard look.

So, Maelstrom gets a (y) from me.
 

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The 3-4 stinks and will be the down fall for one Pete Carroll here in Seattle.
The top defenses in the NFL over the last 40 years ran the 3-4. 12 of the last 20 Super Bowl champions ran the 34.
 

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To enhance back end play and get J Adams back to the form he was in in 2020.

I honestly think the D is going to be solid.

I was having a similar discussion a couple of weeks ago with my buddies. They are all firmly in the "Jamal Adams was the worst trade I've ever seen in the history of all trades and I will forever be butthurt about it" camp.

Obviously, it all comes down to the health of his shoulder and fingers. But after watching the video that was floating around a few months back of Karl Scott talking about the Match Quarters and Cover 7 principles he's bringing, coupled with the switch to a Hybrid 34 front I got immediately excited to see if this reignites Adams and unlocks even more of his potential. A lot of it is similar in concept to what he was doing in NY when he was a bona fide game wrecker.

I believe there's going to be a heavy emphasis on read/react aggressiveness on the back end of this D that is going to play nicely into Jamal and Diggs' skillsets.

Regardless of statistical outcomes, I believe wholeheartedly this defense is going to be orders of magnitude more fun to watch than any KNJ defense.
 

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That is an astoundingly nonsensical way to evaluate a defense.

Both Super Bowl teams this past year were teams running 3-4 or 3-4 adjacent hybrid looks. The Super Bowl before that was also won by a 3-4 team.

The Seahawks 4-3 under looks visually similar to a 3-4 style front due to the SAM backer playing at or very close to the LOS.

Furthermore, the Seahawks aren't switching to a strict 3-4 base. This anti 3-4 crusade has been flawed and absurd from the start.
that was an uppercut delivered by one Mike Tyson.
 
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I was having a similar discussion a couple of weeks ago with my buddies. They are all firmly in the "Jamal Adams was the worst trade I've ever seen in the history of all trades and I will forever be butthurt about it" camp.

Obviously, it all comes down to the health of his shoulder and fingers. But after watching the video that was floating around a few months back of Karl Scott talking about the Match Quarters and Cover 7 principles he's bringing, coupled with the switch to a Hybrid 34 front I got immediately excited to see if this reignites Adams and unlocks even more of his potential. A lot of it is similar in concept to what he was doing in NY when he was a bona fide game wrecker.

I believe there's going to be a heavy emphasis on read/react aggressiveness on the back end of this D that is going to play nicely into Jamal and Diggs' skillsets.

Regardless of statistical outcomes, I believe wholeheartedly this defense is going to be orders of magnitude more fun to watch than any KNJ defense.

Agree. I think the mud that Jamal gets slung his way is entirely unjustified. What happened to him last year was the equivalent to buying a Ferrari, but only using it to make 'quick' runs to the grocery store. It's not thr cars fault its not getting out of third gear.

Adams reduced impact wasn't a result of any decline on his end, but was more a function of how he was being used. Taking away his strong suit, which was his freelancing, and forcing him into a role he'd never played just didn't make sense, and amplified the mistakes he did make. He was out of position and easy to predict. We took our ace out of play...

You could say the same for Dunlap last year. The guy didn't just forget how to rush the passer. He wasn't used properly.

What's hard to say is how much of what we saw last year was experimentation in a lost season, and how much was just the result of the mad tinkering of an ineffective and out of touch DC. It's come to light that the defense never picked up what Ken was trying to teach, ie - he wasn't communicating it well. Not sure it matters anymore.

What does though, is that it seems like we're implementing a system that will maximize the strengths of the players we have and return the brains of the side to the safeties, and more specifically, Q Diggs. That's the part I'm most excited about. As talented as Adams is, I don't think he's the 'captain' type of leader in a cerebral sense. He's the emotional lightning rod and hired assassin. When hes bringing havoc, the team feeds off of it.

Diggs will be the guy to get everybody where they need to be and functioning optimally.
It will be fun to see how the young dogs in Brown and Brooks, and the additional leadership of Harris work together in creating that 3 level, lock-step communication that was so obvious in our heyday, between Bryant, Wagner and Chancellor and Sherm. They functioned every bit as a unit across levels as they did within their respective position groups.
I think that under Diggs's tutelage, we can get that unity back again. He has a little bit of that quiet, but violent leadership character that Chancellor had. Walk softly, get everybody in place, and knock the snot out of people.
Wagner was great, but oddly enough, i think that because he came of age in a system with such strong leadership behind him, that he never quite stepped into the role of 'complete ' captain of the entire defense. No doubt he was the leader of the group emotionally and from a seniority perspective, he just never assumed the roaming, in your face leadership role that Chancellor had on the field, making sure everyone was on their Ps and Qs.

Just my opinion.
 
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Agree. I think the mud that Jamal gets slung his way is entirely unjustified. What happened to him last year was the equivalent to buying a Ferrari, but only using it to make 'quick' runs to the grocery store. It's not thr cars fault its not getting out of third gear.

Adams reduced impact wasn't a result of any decline on his end, but was more a function of how he was being used. Taking away his strong suit, which was his freelancing, and forcing him into a role he'd never played just didn't make sense, and amplified the mistakes he did make. He was out of position and easy to predict. We took out ace out of play...

You could say the same for Dunlap last year. The guy didn't just forget how to rush the passer. He wasn't used properly.

What's hard to say is how much of what we saw last year was experimentation in a lost season, and how much was just the result of the mad tinkering of an ineffective and out of touch DC. It's come to light that the defense never picked up what Ken was trying to teach, ie - he wasn't communicating it well. Not sure it matters anymore.

What does though, is that it seems like we're implementing a system that will maximize the strengths of the players we have and return the brains of the side to the safeties, and more specifically, Q Diggs. That's the part I'm most excited about. As talented as Adams is, I don't think he's the 'captain' type of leader in a cerebral sense. He's the emotional lightning rod and hired assassin. When hes bringing havoc, the team feeds off of it.

Diggs will be the guy to get everybody where they need to be and functioning optimally.
It will be fun to see how the young dogs in Brown and Brooks, and the additional leadership of Harris work together in creating that 3 level, lock-step communication that was so obvious in our heyday, between Bryant, Wagner and Chancellor and Sherm. They functioned every bit as a unit across levels as they did within their respective position groups.
I think that under Diggs's tutelage, we can get that unity back again. He has a little bit of that quiet, but violent leadership character that Chancellor had. Walk softly, get everybody in place, and knock the snot out of people.
Wagner was great, but oddly enough, i think that because he came of age in a system with such strong leadership behind him, that he never quite stepped into the role of 'complete ' captain of the entire defense. No doubt he was the leader of the group emotionally and from a seniority perspective, he just never assumed the roaming, in your face leadership role that Chancellor had on the field, making sure everyone was on their Ps and Qs.

Just my opinion.
Hard agree with your post and opinion. You hit many nails on their respective head.

I loathe to make 1-to-1 comparisons with the LOB era, but the safety dynamic was always as you said just in reverse in those years. Earl (and to an even greater extent Marshawn, but I digress) was the lightning rod that brought the endless and infectious run-through-a-wall-for-my-squad energy at FS. Meanwhile at SS Kam brought the quiet and unflappable "Dad with a belt" energy. Highly football intelligent and always making sure his guys were where they need to be. I think this is another special safety tandem, and this is their year to show it. They're gonna get those young corners right too.

I believe anyone with functional eyes and a modicum of football intelligence knows that the Hawks D was suffering desperately from Aces not being in their places last year. Even if you couldn't tell why, everyone could see the defense was out of sync. Dunlap was just the most egregiously glaring example.

I appreciate you bringing up the concept of "leadership at all 3 levels" because I think this is extremely important and oft overlooked. Al Woods is a grown ass man, and it seems pretty obvious he brings that Red Bryant intangible leadership up front. I think Shelby Harris only magnifies that, while bringing a wealth of experience and knowledge on playing in the 34 front. I think this rotation up front is going to be criminally underrated and will surprise the hell out of the league.

The only level that gives me pause is the LB level. But I sense that Brooks is ready to develop into the leader that I agree Bobby didn't quite get to. I also believe Barton surprises us all. I feel it in my plums.
 

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I was having a similar discussion a couple of weeks ago with my buddies. They are all firmly in the "Jamal Adams was the worst trade I've ever seen in the history of all trades and I will forever be butthurt about it"
This trope really needs to be put to bed. It is only used by people who have never heard the name Fred Vinson.
 

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This trope really needs to be put to bed. It is only used by people who have never heard the name Fred Vinson.
Ugh. Good thing that Shaun Alexander guy turned out to be pretty good, otherwise this trade would have absolutely cratered the Holmgren era.

Never had an issue with what Mo Morris brought to the table, but could you imagine the two-headed rushing monster Green and Alexander would've made? WOOF
 

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So we ran the 3-4 all 3 times we made it to the supperbowl ?

You're the most delusional individual I've ever come across on the the Internet. I'd suggest seeing a doctor before your shooting rampage.
 
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