Reports: Ndamukong Suh wants to sign with Seahawks

[Throwdown]

Suh is a known to play dirty, trying to injure other players. This is cheating.

Obtaining Suh turns the Hawks into cheaters. Are the Suh seekers OK with that?

Do you admire other cheaters such as Belichick? Do you admire the new Orleans Bountygaters? How about the Rams dirty play? Do you want to copy that too?

I vote no against cheating players. I vote for playing within the rules, and using our system to win. I vote for sportsmanship.

Just say no to Suh.

Heh. Say "No Suh".

This gotta be a joke, right? Right guys? RIGHT???

Idc, we got Suh no one is scoring ever on us

 

[jkitsune]

Suh is a known to play dirty, trying to injure other players. This is cheating.

Obtaining Suh turns the Hawks into cheaters. Are the Suh seekers OK with that?

Do you admire other cheaters such as Belichick? Do you admire the new Orleans Bountygaters? How about the Rams dirty play? Do you want to copy that too?

I vote no against cheating players. I vote for playing within the rules, and using our system to win. I vote for sportsmanship.

Just say no to Suh.

Heh. Say "No Suh".

This gotta be a joke, right? Right guys? RIGHT???

Idc, we got Suh no one is scoring ever on us

I agree with him. I don't want a player who intentionally tries to injure other players. It wouldn't affect my fandom one bit if we signed him, but I would prefer we win without a dirtbag.

I also think it's silly to spend money on high-priced defensive free agents at this point in our team's development. There's a point of diminishing returns when you're spending $15M+/year to improve your team from the #1 overall defense to STILL the #1 overall defense but just a bit better.

That same money, spent on offense, could make a much more dramatic difference.

 

[firebee]

Suh is a known to play dirty, trying to injure other players. This is cheating.

Obtaining Suh turns the Hawks into cheaters. Are the Suh seekers OK with that?

Do you admire other cheaters such as Belichick? Do you admire the new Orleans Bountygaters? How about the Rams dirty play? Do you want to copy that too?

I vote no against cheating players. I vote for playing within the rules, and using our system to win. I vote for sportsmanship.

Just say no to Suh.

Heh. Say "No Suh".

This gotta be a joke, right? Right guys? RIGHT???

Idc, we got Suh no one is scoring ever on us

I agree with him. I don't want a player who intentionally tries to injure other players. It wouldn't affect my fandom one bit if we signed him, but I would prefer we win without a dirtbag.

I also think it's silly to spend money on high-priced defensive free agents at this point in our team's development. There's a point of diminishing returns when you're spending $15M+/year to improve your team from the #1 overall defense to STILL the #1 overall defense but just a bit better.

That same money, spent on offense, could make a much more dramatic difference.

15+ Million a year??? When did DTs start making as much as franchise quarterbacks?

 

[Throwdown]

I got nothing but love for Suh after he stepped on Arianna Rodgers, that was a magical moment in my life and saw there was someone else who hated that cry baby as much as I did.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

Say it takes 15 million (assumes Oakland offers 18m)

Guys we'd lose:

Mebane 5.7 million
McDaniel 3.6 million
Carpenter (expected 3 million)
Zach Miller 3 million

That's 15.3m there. Figures taken from Davis Hsu's cap 2015 breakdown.

This still allows for:

Extending Wilson
Extending Sweezy
Extending Wagner
Resigning Kearse
Resigning Moeaki
Expected sign of UFA DT (2m)

It's not as far fetched as one might assume. It would require drafting replacements for Mebane, Carpenter and Miller. One could also not sign a UFA DT (since Suh would be part of that), and keep Miller and find 1m elsewhere (perhaps lose Kearse).

Thing is, at #31, we should easily be able to replace Carpenter. There will be great day one starter OG talent available at that point. Additionally, at #62, we'll be in a great position to draft a run stuffer specialist to replace Mebane. This kind of move really isn't as far fetched as we might think it

Sounds like a sure-fire way to totally neglect the offense -- all for a flashy new toy for the already #1 ranked defense in the league.

If there is an impact player to be had on offense that would be as equally valuable -- I'd consider that too. Particularly if they fit the team.

And I believe you're underselling the impact. You're neglecting the offense (maybe) in order to elevate a generational defense into possibly the best unit ever assembled. This isn't merely a shiny toy. You're talking about adding the premiere interior 3 tech in -- well probably since Sapp. Suh is a difference maker. In every way Thomas and Sherman are. I don't see any Thomas or Sherman type UFAs out there on offense.

 

[HawkAroundTheClock]

Why am I letting myself get excited over this?

Avril-Suh-Mebane-Bennett with Irvin, Hill, Marsh, Scruggs as depth? Not even factoring in possibly Kevin Williams and/or Schofield coming back.

Wow.

Exactly this. Opposing offenses would be frantic trying to figure out whom to double team.

There's no way we can afford this, though. If JS figures out how to do it, he's Executive of the Year in my book for as long as he's with the Seahawks.

 

[Rocket]

Playing dirty and cheating are not the same thing. Please stop.

HELL YEAH !!!
BRAVO !!!!
:th2thumbs:
:thirishdrinkers:
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:0190l:
:179417:

 

[Hasselbeck]

I've been way to depressed to spend much time on the net the last few days .....

Anyone know when Free Agency officially starts?

March 10th at 1 PM PT

 

[Hasselbeck]

Things to think about.

Seattle can't say word one about being interested. Still not to free agency, and Detroit just might be dumb enough to franchise the guy.

Avril was his teammate. Avril took a prove it deal and stayed. I don't think a prove it deal is an option for Suh at all, I am merely commenting about the good vibes he might be getting from Avril. Seattle can't say jack shit about Suh, but Avril can say all he wants. It has not been a secret taht Suh is unhappy with the way Detroit does business for a while now, perhaps he wants a front office he hears good things about.

I still think money will rule the day, and when the bidding gets to 20 million, Suh will be somewhere else. But in the event he goes to the team he grew up rooting for, I will be a happy dude.

Some irresponsible psychoanalysis follows, beware;

Some dudes aren't motivated by money at all. Some people don't give shit about that stuff. Once they get to a comfortable level, they can rid themselves of some money in exchange for personal happiness. It's usually dude's that are a little cooky, little off, naturally rebellious (hint). I cant relate to millions, but I can most certainly relate to the difference between 6 and 5 figures. A few times in my life I've forsaken 6 for 5. The 5 came with a little more happiness.

There are people like that. When you truly don't give a shit about a lot of things, one of the biggest things you don't give a shit about is money. Because, at the end of the day, it's easier to "rebel", when someone cant buy you or keep you on a leash with money. You don't get to be a true counter-culture type if you can be bought.

From afar and based on what I've heard, that's always been my read on Suh. It wouldn't surprise me, in the least, if he rebelled, once again, to what NFL conventional wisdom says he should. Is it likely? No, probably not. But Suh doesn't give a shit and isn't motivated by the things most people are. He's a wild card..

One wrinkle to the Suh money angle.. and I'm not sure this has been touched upon yet in this thread (it may very well have been) .. but he came into the league the last year before the rookie wage scale was implemented. Meaning unlike Russell Wilson and the like.. he's already made a lot of cash.. to the tune of $40M guaranteed and whatever he earned from his 5/60 deal.

J.J. Watt? His rookie deal was 4 for 11. On the flip side.. Gerald McCoy was in the same class as Suh.. so he also benefitted from this CBA.

So.. in all likelihood - Suh will go the route of McCoy and get paid again.. but who knows? Maybe he really does want to win and is okay with taking a deal that would allow him to fit on this team.

Like Scott said though.. until March 10th rolls around.. all this is just fun conjecture. I tend to believe it wont happen.. but it's fun to ponder.

 

[Rob12]

I don't know how you make this a reality, but if there is a way JS will make it so.

Avril, Suh, Hill, Mebane, Bennett, Marsh, Schofield? Are you kidding me? A line like that is going to take a massive amount of pressure off of the LOB, which will be essential due to the likely impending departure of Maxwell.

Pipe dream? Probably. But let's see how badly Suh really wants to be a Seahawk.

 

[Rob12]

Suh is a known to play dirty, trying to injure other players. This is cheating.

Obtaining Suh turns the Hawks into cheaters. Are the Suh seekers OK with that?

Do you admire other cheaters such as Belichick? Do you admire the new Orleans Bountygaters? How about the Rams dirty play? Do you want to copy that too?

I vote no against cheating players. I vote for playing within the rules, and using our system to win. I vote for sportsmanship.

Just say no to Suh.

Heh. Say "No Suh".

This gotta be a joke, right? Right guys? RIGHT???

Idc, we got Suh no one is scoring ever on us

I agree with him. I don't want a player who intentionally tries to injure other players. It wouldn't affect my fandom one bit if we signed him, but I would prefer we win without a dirtbag.

I also think it's silly to spend money on high-priced defensive free agents at this point in our team's development. There's a point of diminishing returns when you're spending $15M+/year to improve your team from the #1 overall defense to STILL the #1 overall defense but just a bit better.

That same money, spent on offense, could make a much more dramatic difference.

No disrespect intended, at all, but have you played football? Ever been on the bottom of a pile? Football is a violent game. I long ago quit caring about having a team identity of choir boys. We begged for this nastiest in the 2000s, and now we have it.

Don't think for a second that Michael Bennett isn't trying to inflict some harm at the bottom of a fumble pile.

 

[Rob12]

Would rather sign a top wr and a top oline man with that money and I wouldn't mind if our defense drops to number 5 if we have a better offense.

What top WR would you sign? I ask because... none of the top WR's will .. 1) sniff the market and 2) consider Seattle since their numbers would go in the toilet on this offense

Maybe Iupati would make more sense as a splashy move.. but I get the hunch Tom Cable doesn't want to bring in a FA and would rather develop someone from the draft.

Someone brought this up before, but I agree... We don't need an elite receiver. JS needs to find the next Emmanuel Sanders.

How about guys like:

Cecil Shorts (27)
Denarius Moore (26)
Kenny Britt (26)

None of this guys have ever played with a good quarterback. None of them should feel above coming here. All three have shown serious flashes of talent, and are still young.

Just tossing those three names out there.

 

[Scottemojo]

Suh is a known to play dirty, trying to injure other players. This is cheating.

Obtaining Suh turns the Hawks into cheaters. Are the Suh seekers OK with that?

Do you admire other cheaters such as Belichick? Do you admire the new Orleans Bountygaters? How about the Rams dirty play? Do you want to copy that too?

I vote no against cheating players. I vote for playing within the rules, and using our system to win. I vote for sportsmanship.

Just say no to Suh.

Heh. Say "No Suh".

I agree with him. I don't want a player who intentionally tries to injure other players. It wouldn't affect my fandom one bit if we signed him, but I would prefer we win without a dirtbag.

I also think it's silly to spend money on high-priced defensive free agents at this point in our team's development. There's a point of diminishing returns when you're spending $15M+/year to improve your team from the #1 overall defense to STILL the #1 overall defense but just a bit better.

That same money, spent on offense, could make a much more dramatic difference.

You two must really miss Ruskell. He felt the same way you do about player conduct.

 

[TheWalrus]

Totally agree about not looking for a top WR. Landing a true # 1 elite WR seems like a pipe dream, and our cap dollars are better spent elsewhere. I would rather replace Bryan Walters with an excellent punt returner who is also a big asset in the passing game. Sanders is a perfect comparison of what we should be looking for. That way, you can still look to develop Matthews, Norwood, and P-Rich, but also upgrade your WR group without spending a bunch of money. I also think a small, shifty WR/PR would be valuable in terms of getting open when Wilson is extending the play.

 

[seabowl]

What's interesting to me about this rumor is that it makes very little sense on from a cynical "leverage" point of view. Everyone knows Seattle's cap space is about to get super tight, and it would not be difficult for a team to outbid them. The current Seahawks are essentially the perfect opposite of a team that a FA would use for leverage.

Ding ding

The interest is real. It'd be one thing if he said "I want to go to Oakland" .. but Seattle? That doesn't drive your price up.

I don't agree. There are also reports the Lipns are trying to re-sign him. By Suh claiming he would like to play for any team including the Hawks may drive UP his price for the Lions to sign him back.

 

[JonRud]

It would be awesome to sign Suh. We would immediately all think we are winning the Super Bowl and get everyone so fired up for next year. I am all for it.

That said I would put the odds of this happening at 10%. It's probably lower but Schneider can possibly pull something off.

one thing I do know is PC & JS will not allow themselves to get caught short on the D-Line again so I think this will be an area of emphasis.

 

[Hawkfan77]

I agree with pe, some people are motivated by things other than money. Thats not to say that Suh will accept 5 mil a year, but getting 15+ and losing might not be as appealing to him as 10 or a little under and winning. He's going to get paid regardless, but how important is winning to him vs being the #1 paid defensive player in the league?

I'll point out, again, how he looked and acted after Detroit's playoff loss to Dallas. This is a supreme competitor, the exact same level of competitor that this team relies on. Such wants to win, badly, you cannot underestimate that part of the process. Also adding to the fact that he's always wanted to play for Seattle (even when we were terrible) so add to the fact he could be apart of something historic? Yeah, I think he has quite a bit of motivation to take a below market deal.

Not that it would necessarily happen but sign Suh, draft a CB high and knock this draft out of the park (again) and let's take over the NFL!

 

[WilsonMVP]

Suh is a known to play dirty, trying to injure other players. This is cheating.

Obtaining Suh turns the Hawks into cheaters. Are the Suh seekers OK with that?

Do you admire other cheaters such as Belichick? Do you admire the new Orleans Bountygaters? How about the Rams dirty play? Do you want to copy that too?

I vote no against cheating players. I vote for playing within the rules, and using our system to win. I vote for sportsmanship.

Just say no to Suh.

Heh. Say "No Suh".

Pats are cheater too...Ill take 6 superbowls with 4 superbowl wins for this supposed cheating

 

[Seahwkgal]

I am from Michigan and follow the Lions. I kinda have no choice living out here. Suh gets such a bad rap It's comical. His off the field behavior is very clean. No locker room issues at all. He plays a bit dirty but seems to get focused on a lot by the refs too. He is a beast!!

Having said that, there is no way we land him for his price. It's great to dream that he will come here relatively cheap but it won't happen. We have too many guys already on the roster to keep. Yeah, I HATE the cap with the wealthiest owner in the league but it is what it is.

 

[StoneCold]

Suh is a known to play dirty, trying to injure other players. This is cheating.

Obtaining Suh turns the Hawks into cheaters. Are the Suh seekers OK with that?

Do you admire other cheaters such as Belichick? Do you admire the new Orleans Bountygaters? How about the Rams dirty play? Do you want to copy that too?

I vote no against cheating players. I vote for playing within the rules, and using our system to win. I vote for sportsmanship.

Just say no to Suh.

Heh. Say "No Suh".

I agree with him. I don't want a player who intentionally tries to injure other players. It wouldn't affect my fandom one bit if we signed him, but I would prefer we win without a dirtbag.

I also think it's silly to spend money on high-priced defensive free agents at this point in our team's development. There's a point of diminishing returns when you're spending $15M+/year to improve your team from the #1 overall defense to STILL the #1 overall defense but just a bit better.

That same money, spent on offense, could make a much more dramatic difference.

You two must really miss Ruskell. He felt the same way you do about player conduct.

I've done some more reading since first posting in this thread and the rumors of Suh's lockeroom and off field issues are apparently overblown. But his on field actions are well documented. Seahawkgal's comments carry some weight as she lives in the area and I could see that once you kick a few people you might get some undeserved attention. None the less he did kick people after the play. You reference Ruskell and his "character" requirements. I think Pete has "character" requirements as well, he and John are just much better at evaluating talent. This team doesn't have a single player that can be labeled dirty. I would prefer it to stay that way. I don't want to root for douchebags. Perhaps that makes me naïve or weak, whatever. Maybe Suh can be "fixed" by Pete. Maybe not. It's all moot as we are very unlikely to be able to afford him

SC