Kasen Williams -- Why He May Have Been Cut ...

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Made me feel better about the waiving.

If we're worried about depth, losing Kearse was a bigger loss. Though gaining Sheldon may be well worth it.
 

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MontanaHawk05":8styydwa said:
Made me feel better about the waiving.

If we're worried about depth, losing Kearse was a bigger loss. Though gaining Sheldon may be well worth it.

Ya, time will tell if Sheldon has a bigger impact on this teams W's than Kearse did. :sarcasm_off:
 

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I honestly could care less about blocking we don't even have a OL that can block. I just want a guy to throw a jump ball to in the end zone. We absolutely suck in the red zone and Kasen showed the ability to be able to go up and get the ball even when covered.
 

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The other thing is your telling me a guy refuses to block yet has been a standout on kick coverage in the preseason? Those two don't go hand and hand.
 

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NorthDallas40oz":1xy35upc said:
Williams' poor blocking is no myth. There's also a reason why those contested catches he made against the Chargers were contested in the first place - because Williams lacks both the short-area quickness and the speed/burst to take the top off of the defense to consistently gain separation. And those catches in the SD game came against the Chargers' bottom-of-the-roster CB's....guys who aren't even on their team anymore. That's a far cry from the Patrick Petersons of the world and the rest of the starting-caliber NFL CB's that Williams would face in the regular season....guys who, shall we say, are a bit more capable in '50-50 ball' situations. Williams is a respectable player, but to really make it in the league (esp. on a unit/roster as deep as Seattle's) you've got to have a 'carrying tool' that you can hang your hat on (hands of glue, speed, separation ability, blocking, special teams skills, positional versatility, etc.), and Williams simply doesn't have one that stands out as above-average and which has been demonstrated/proven against front-line competition. His inability to stand out vs. the Chiefs' 2-deep in Week 3 may have sealed his fate. But I really like the person, and wish him all the best in Cleveland.

Did you not see the catch on Pro Bowler Xavier Rhodes the following week?
 

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getnasty":1twzc8vh said:
I honestly could care less about blocking we don't even have a OL that can block. I just want a guy to throw a jump ball to in the end zone. We absolutely suck in the red zone and Kasen showed the ability to be able to go up and get the ball even when covered.


So, you still care about a WR blocking?
 

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We should bring Kearse back because he was one of the better blocking WR's in the league.
 

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getnasty":t6u27c3l said:
We should bring Kearse back because he was one of the better blocking WR's in the league.

He had more catches than anyone we're replacing him with.
 

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MontanaHawk05":sm1ae8u0 said:
getnasty":sm1ae8u0 said:
We should bring Kearse back because he was one of the better blocking WR's in the league.

He had more catches than anyone we're replacing him with.

I'm sad to see Kearse go but I find it funny how everything people are knocking Kasen for(blocking, route running) are things that Kearse did well. Yet everyone wanted to run Kearse out of town.
 

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hawkfan68":20ghnbiu said:
Blitzer88":20ghnbiu said:
Starting to think it was mckissic over kasen and I guess mckissics versatility won out. However, still would have liked to have seen kasen make it as a big part of our offense are those vertical routes down the sideline and he was very good at those this preseason.

I agree. They chose to keep only 5 WRs and 6 RBs. If Lockett was 100% healthy, there's no way McKissic would have made the team. They would have went traditional 6 WRs and Williams would have been on it. He is a 5/6 WR in that he plays on ST and was doing well there. He wasn't looked at for returns and that's what seems to ultimately cost him. I don't think McKissic's tenure with the Seahawks will be very long. Once Lockett is fully back, he'll be gone.
Both McKissic and Prosise can line up at WR and do a credible job, and we can always line up Graham as a WR. We're not short of receviers.
 

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getnasty":1y8t4zek said:
MontanaHawk05":1y8t4zek said:
getnasty":1y8t4zek said:
We should bring Kearse back because he was one of the better blocking WR's in the league.

He had more catches than anyone we're replacing him with.

I'm sad to see Kearse go but I find it funny how everything people are knocking Kasen for(blocking, route running) are things that Kearse did well. Yet everyone wanted to run Kearse out of town.
Last year was quite enough for me and we get Sheldon Richardson out of the deal. Win/win in my opinion. Because of that guy next Sunday went from certain loss to a toss up.
 

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getnasty":ns8h0tat said:
I honestly could care less about blocking we don't even have a OL that can block. I just want a guy to throw a jump ball to in the end zone. We absolutely suck in the red zone and Kasen showed the ability to be able to go up and get the ball even when covered.

I agree and feel the pain. Problem is, it would not matter. Bevell, Pete, and Wilson will never throw that anyway. See Graham in red zone if you need an example. If they believed that was an answer, we'd of seen that by now. Not happenin'. I know...dumb and it sucks. :|
 

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West TX Hawk":1jh22mk4 said:
The Browns, the very 1st team on the waiver wire, signed Kasen to their 53 immediately. Obviously not everyone agrees then that a receiver's primary job should be blocking.

Now that Kasen is gone, people will try to justify the cut simply because he's not on the team anymore. Please show me evidence how Darboh was an incredible blocker who also received constant separation.

Oh but Darboh was a 3rd rounder you say, therefore he must automatically have "upside." In the NFL with contracts and careers short, you are what you are-it's not baseball where players have time to significantly develop. Kasen is a go route/RZ specialist with premier leaping ability and can contribute on ST-a valuable asset in any receiving corp.

And you could've even kept Kasen and Darboh and not keep so many linebackers.

Bull.

Richardson took an entire year to get up to speed. Hell, Golden Tate took THREE years to become a quality starter! The WR position is not like RB "plug and play". Some can put up quality numbers as rookies, but don't think that just because Baldwin and Lockett did it, that all WRs should. They were the exceptions, not the norm.
 

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XxXdragonXxX":253mnqp1 said:
Blocking ability should be a tie breaker between 2 equal pass catchers. Not the reason you cut a guy who has shown he has the ability to contribute as a receiver.

My biggest problem with his cut is that they kept Mckissic over him. The guy dropped at least 2 kickoffs in preseason and I believe fumbled on a pass? I was not impressed.
McKissic can catch the ball, run the ball, and play special teams. That makes him unique and extremely valuable to this team.
 

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hgwellz12":e5e1dzh8 said:
FlyingGreg":e5e1dzh8 said:
Kasen claimed by Cleveland.

I saw that coming a mile away. I think I even stated it here or on reddit.
Cleveland is desperate for talent. The Hawks are not. It's an important distinction in this conversation.
 

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getnasty":2jymcppl said:
MontanaHawk05":2jymcppl said:
getnasty":2jymcppl said:
We should bring Kearse back because he was one of the better blocking WR's in the league.

He had more catches than anyone we're replacing him with.

I'm sad to see Kearse go but I find it funny how everything people are knocking Kasen for(blocking, route running) are things that Kearse did well. Yet everyone wanted to run Kearse out of town.

Kearse sucked at getting separation and contested catches. That isn't indicative of good route running. He also was an OPI magnet. He has a really bad habit of knocking balls up he flubs catching making picks much more likely. Darboh is likely to become a better Kearse that's what he projects as.

The decision came down to Tanner vs Kasen more than likely. Tanner is a 6'6 4.4 speedster who loves the game doesn't' take plays off and does whatever is asked of him to get on the field he also is very good at getting separation. Kasen makes some good contested catches but he dogs it on plays he isn't getting the ball. HIs route running isn't great and his ability to get separation is lacking. He also isn't that good of a blocker. He did some decent work on special teams but his inconsistencies are why he lost his spot to Tanner McEvoy.
 

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Some peoples kids, WR don't have to block they just have to catch the ball, If you really, really want to understand what a WR does blocking helps with getting separation, no DB wants to get tied up with a WR when there is a run coming to their side, makes them look like pussies and come film review they are sure to get a lot of crap, not as much as a kicker taking them out but still, a WR that is good at engagement and holding a block for a few seconds can also use that to drive a DB off him when he's a hot guy on a route. If you only play hard when the ball is coming your way your tipping plays as well, if you don't block and Holmgren stated this several times as well your running game suffers a lot, a lot of those runs into the secondary and break away's are because of WR's blocking on the second level. Why Bobby was loved so much aside from his catches, Also why Holmgren hated Joey Go away, he didn't want to block early in his career. Also why Koren Robinson despite being a idiot was loved by Holmgren, could catch and was fast but a devastating blocker. This guy also was a lunch pail guy who made clutch catches Joe Jurevicius and blocked. Darrell Jackson was another guy we can go on and on but Alexander's numbers were greatly enhanced buy the WR's blocking.

It's no different now, you can get away with being a prima donna in college and not block and or play special teams, look at our starters on defense and offense except QB all I think had stints on special teams.

We are going to be a more physical team Pete said along with John last year, that means laying a lick on people and if you can't do that then perhaps a 1 and 15 team is where you belong.

I enjoyed Williams play, but also understand that what we don't see on a player that does what he did is a big reason behind the moves. We would cut a first rounder here and regret it sure but do it for the good of the team, we essentially did that with Percy Harvin, so Darboh being saved due to draft round I think is just bullshit. Williams didn't show up every play every day at practice in some capacity. Someone else did which bumped him off the 53 man, McKissik was bragged about as far as energy and work effort every broadcast and in many press conferences as well. Think he was the guy that bumped him really, more diversity, more energy and high effort, Tanner took Kearse's spot.

I think Darboh for one was hurt early and second may have worked his but off and just not had the catch chances after and was playing catch up, what he did in practice had to be a big factor, he may have attacked everything with an attitude that the Staff wants to see translate to game day. I know Game day we saw nothing, he also had Boykin throwing to him and Boykin had a lousy second to the last and last game.
 

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Kasen Williams was cut because he isn't very good,

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