Kasen Williams -- Why He May Have Been Cut ...

[Coug_Hawk08]

Claimed by Browns.

 

[Rat]

This guy watched the video looking for reasons to rip on Kasen, and he found them. Things are much easier to find when you're looking for them.

That would seem to be a false portrait of the study's motivation ......

I was shocked Williams didn't make the team, and as I'd forgotten about my Gamepass subscription and it auto-renewed, this seemed like a great time to put that fallacious sunk cost to work. I remember distinctly watching Williams where I could once he started to ball out: I was hoping he could make the team, and he made some huge plays. However .......

Not really. He was shocked Kasen didn't make the team and was looking for reasons to trust the front office on it.

There were probably legitimate reasons to cut him, and even if they weren't, we have a lot of talent at the position and he may have been the victim of a logjam, it happens. Just like we shouldn't be too quick to bash the front office over it, I don't think we should suddenly turn on Kasen either under the guise of "Carroll and Schneider are always right". He made a great effort, I appreciate the work he has put in the past few years; hopefully he finds some success with his next team.

 

[vin.couve12]

I'll be interested to see which WRs make it to the practice squad with Kasen claimed. We'll need one by week 2 or 3.

 

[FlyingGreg]

I'll be interested to see which WRs make it to the practice squad with Kasen claimed. We'll need one by week 2 or 3.

Lawler and Rogers.

 

[NorthDallas40oz]

Williams' poor blocking is no myth. There's also a reason why those contested catches he made against the Chargers were contested in the first place - because Williams lacks both the short-area quickness and the speed/burst to take the top off of the defense to consistently gain separation. And those catches in the SD game came against the Chargers' bottom-of-the-roster CB's....guys who aren't even on their team anymore. That's a far cry from the Patrick Petersons of the world and the rest of the starting-caliber NFL CB's that Williams would face in the regular season....guys who, shall we say, are a bit more capable in '50-50 ball' situations. Williams is a respectable player, but to really make it in the league (esp. on a unit/roster as deep as Seattle's) you've got to have a 'carrying tool' that you can hang your hat on (hands of glue, speed, separation ability, blocking, special teams skills, positional versatility, etc.), and Williams simply doesn't have one that stands out as above-average and which has been demonstrated/proven against front-line competition. His inability to stand out vs. the Chiefs' 2-deep in Week 3 may have sealed his fate. But I really like the person, and wish him all the best in Cleveland.

 

[HawkinNY]

I can't wait to see how amazing Kasen does in Cleveland. Maybe they made a mistake cutting him. But I think he wouldn't have done much if they kept him anyway.


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[Sports Hernia]

If it truely came down to blocking, it's ironic that they expect the receivers to block the when the o-line doesn't do that half
the time. To me his biggest negative is he can't stay on the field as he is always hurt during the regular season.

I wish him well In Cleveland.

 

[brimsalabim]

Good stuff! Our receivers need to know how to block.

Apparently it's far more important than getting open and catching footballs. This settles it. In Pete's view all offensive positions are staffed to help the running backs first and foremost. Russell Wilson is placed on an island to fend for himself.

 

[hawkfan68]

Starting to think it was mckissic over kasen and I guess mckissics versatility won out. However, still would have liked to have seen kasen make it as a big part of our offense are those vertical routes down the sideline and he was very good at those this preseason.

I agree. They chose to keep only 5 WRs and 6 RBs. If Lockett was 100% healthy, there's no way McKissic would have made the team. They would have went traditional 6 WRs and Williams would have been on it. He is a 5/6 WR in that he plays on ST and was doing well there. He wasn't looked at for returns and that's what seems to ultimately cost him. I don't think McKissic's tenure with the Seahawks will be very long. Once Lockett is fully back, he'll be gone.

 

[NorthDallas40oz]

I'll be interested to see which WRs make it to the practice squad with Kasen claimed. We'll need one by week 2 or 3.

Lawler and Rogers.

I'm going with Lawler and Moore. Lawler seems like a lock regardless, esp. now that he's started showing something on ST's coverage.

 

[vin.couve12]

Lawler and Rogers were 2 of the slowest players on the 90 man that aren't DL or OL. Hopefully Moore shows some real progress.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Good stuff! Our receivers need to know how to block.

Apparently it's far more important than getting open and catching footballs. This settles it. In Pete's view all offensive positions are staffed to help the running backs first and foremost. Russell Wilson is placed on an island to fend for himself.

I was going to say the same thing. I would rather have a guy that can help us score TD's in the redzone (where we really struggle) than a guy who can block a corner so somebody else can get 3 more yards before stepping out of bounds.

 

[West TX Hawk]

The Browns, the very 1st team on the waiver wire, signed Kasen to their 53 immediately. Obviously not everyone agrees then that a receiver's primary job should be blocking.

Now that Kasen is gone, people will try to justify the cut simply because he's not on the team anymore. Please show me evidence how Darboh was an incredible blocker who also received constant separation.

Oh but Darboh was a 3rd rounder you say, therefore he must automatically have "upside." In the NFL with contracts and careers short, you are what you are-it's not baseball where players have time to significantly develop. Kasen is a go route/RZ specialist with premier leaping ability and can contribute on ST-a valuable asset in any receiving corp.

And you could've even kept Kasen and Darboh and not keep so many linebackers.

 

[Basis4day]

The Browns, the very 1st team on the waiver wire, signed Kasen to their 53 immediately. Obviously not everyone agrees then that a receiver's primary job should be blocking.

Now that Kasen is gone, people will try to justify the cut simply because he's not on the team anymore. Please show me evidence how Darboh was an incredible blocker who also received constant separation.

Oh but Darboh was a 3rd rounder you say, therefore he must automatically have "upside." In the NFL with contracts and careers short, you are what you are-it's not baseball where players have time to significantly develop. Kasen is a go route/RZ specialist with premier leaping ability and can contribute on ST-a valuable asset in any receiving corp.

And you could've even kept Kasen and Darboh and not keep so many linebackers.

Why are we assuming it was a choice between Kasen and Darboh and not Kasen and McEvoy?

 

[Cyrus12]

The Browns, the very 1st team on the waiver wire, signed Kasen to their 53 immediately. Obviously not everyone agrees then that a receiver's primary job should be blocking.

Now that Kasen is gone, people will try to justify the cut simply because he's not on the team anymore. Please show me evidence how Darboh was an incredible blocker who also received constant separation.

Oh but Darboh was a 3rd rounder you say, therefore he must automatically have "upside." In the NFL with contracts and careers short, you are what you are-it's not baseball where players have time to significantly develop. Kasen is a go route/RZ specialist with premier leaping ability and can contribute on ST-a valuable asset in any receiving corp.

And you could've even kept Kasen and Darboh and not keep so many linebackers.

always compete philosophy didn't apply to Williams I guess...he out competed everyone. Good pick up by Browns.

 

[randomation]

Good stuff! Our receivers need to know how to block.

Apparently it's far more important than getting open and catching footballs. This settles it. In Pete's view all offensive positions are staffed to help the running backs first and foremost. Russell Wilson is placed on an island to fend for himself.

If he could get open he wouldn't need to make contested catches. The huskies glasses are so damn real.

 

[RW92]

I hope Cyril Grayson comes back to the practice squad. He has that unteachable; SPEED. He just needs some seasoning.

 

[Foghawk]

The Browns, the very 1st team on the waiver wire, signed Kasen to their 53 immediately. Obviously not everyone agrees then that a receiver's primary job should be blocking.

Now that Kasen is gone, people will try to justify the cut simply because he's not on the team anymore. Please show me evidence how Darboh was an incredible blocker who also received constant separation.

Oh but Darboh was a 3rd rounder you say, therefore he must automatically have "upside." In the NFL with contracts and careers short, you are what you are-it's not baseball where players have time to significantly develop. Kasen is a go route/RZ specialist with premier leaping ability and can contribute on ST-a valuable asset in any receiving corp.

And you could've even kept Kasen and Darboh and not keep so many linebackers.

Why are we assuming it was a choice between Kasen and Darboh and not Kasen and McEvoy?

IMO: Darboh was brought in to be a cheaper replacement of Kearse with possibly more upside. Darboh was a good willing blocker in college, this is even mentioned in scouting reports. Darboh was a lock to make roster as long as they followed thru with releasing / trading Kearse. KW's battle for a spot was against McEvoy / McKissic. Had they not felt the need to keep McKissic on the roster I would say KW would have likely made the roster, but that's just a guess on my part.

 

[NorthDallas40oz]

The Williams decision was made based off of the Hawks' 2+ years of practice evaluation going against the LOB, not 6 catches made against an undrafted rookie CB for the Chargers who is no longer in the league, and the Vikings' Marcus Sherels, who has graded out below replacement level for his entire horrid career. And yes, Darboh has significantly greater upside than Williams, thus his 3rd round selection and why he would be kept over Williams. That upside didn't just evaporate simply because a minor injury caused him to miss time this pre-season and not have as much game tape as Williams. If pre-season game tape/stats taken entirely out of context were the measuring stick, then you could easily make the same case for keeping Pierre Desir instead of Shaquil Griffin, who like Darboh was also drafted in the 3rd round.

 

[Thepeelsessions]

Are people still trippin' about Kasen being waived? Unbelievable. I get that he had a good preseason, but with what has surfaced regarding his off the ball play, it's justifiable. It's not that he can't block as a receiver. It's that he showed little to no effort to do so. Between McEvoy and Williams, I'd take McEvoy all day, everyday. He has toughness and grit, is athletic as all get out, and Pete and John have a full seasons body of work on him against starting defenses. They know what they are doing. If Kasen becomes great in Cleveland, great! He had every opportunity here for 3 years to earn his spot. Obviously he didn't take advantage of it. You need to look past his big numbers this preseason and focus on his play as a whole. He left his teammates out to dry on multiple occasions. Pete and John most likely saw this too and they probably factored that into their final decision.