"Being Young Isn't a Valid Excuse Anymore"

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Thanks to Dr. Pigskin for doing the leg work for me. This video is filled with a ton of nuggets, and totally worth the watch on youtube. Seize the day > The Steeler way--is rammed home perfectly, and explains very plainly how teams in recent history are being built to win Championships. Debunking the antiquated notion of how a stunning amount of people seem to think teams are being built, or should be built.

"There isn't a magical [incubating] period to become a good team." -Dr. Pigskin

"The most aggressive, savvy teams get the Lombardi's" -Dr. Pigskin

For those that didn't get the memo and think teams have a nice long 5-8 yr process to construct a dynasty--Teams are simply not built that way in the NFL now. I've been trying to explain it on here for a while, continuously falling on def ears of course. Roster turnover is too high to ever be able to build it in the way people on this site like to frequently talk, or make excuses for their teams coming up short due to youth.

There is no correlation between age and winning the super bowl in the last 10 years. All that matters is your team is good enough to win. The youngest team in the league will be around 25 avg.--the oldest will be around 27 avg.

Younger teams win the Super Bowl, older teams win the Super Bowl, teams somewhere in the middle win the Super Bowl, there is no correlation with age and winning in the modern NFL.

"Being young isn't a valid excuse for teams coming up short anymore." -Dr. Pigskin

And in the Seahawks case, they are actually younger in '23 than they were in '22. In spite of this, expectations are higher than last year. Proving mine and Dr. Pigskin's point.

"When you realize the team you've built won't stay together for [long] that only raises the stakes." -Dr. Pigskin

How ever this upcoming season plays out, (this season is kind of the trial run.) As long as Geno plays great (this is the key). They have to strike while the iron is hot and "seize the day" next offseason-- fire coaches that aren't performing *cough* *hurtt* *cough* And aggressively go get the pieces they need on the roster to fill their holes and win the whole damn thing next season.

Otherwise, they will be what they've been since 2016… a pretender. Good enough to make the playoffs, but that is it. They will squander this young core and their QB in his prime. They kinda squandered it last year. They started 6-3, and proceeded to lose a buncha winnable games going 3-5 in the 2nd half, with one of the most under performing defenses I have ever seen.

The one thing Dr. Pigskin didn't point out, which he should have - is the power of the Franchise QB. The best QBs consistently make the playoffs, always keeping you in it, year in and year out. However, the most complete and well coached teams actually end up winning in the playoffs. This dichotomy is hard for some to distinguish for some reason.

Geno Smith playing out of his mind the first half of the season is the reason why the Seahawks weren't a disaster record wise and made the playoffs. As much of a feel good story as it was. If Geno was just merely a TJack bridge style QB, the Seahawks finish with 5 wins, fans would be talking about gutting the team and cleaning house up top, even if the roster was exactly the same (exciting an young). That is the power of a quality QB. Some are calling Bill Belichick overrated without Brady (they're wrong) but does illustrate once again the power of a quality QB and correlation of regular season record.

The QB is the hardest piece to find, the job is to then surround him with as much talent as you can by making savvy moves. Not sit around and do the bare minimum because they paid the QB $35M APY and you just don't have the cap space. The Rams and the Chiefs have put that to bed in recent years. And Brady w/the Buccs cap hit in the year they won the Super Bowl was only $3M less than Russell Wilson that season. ($3M wouldn't be enough to bridge the roster talent gap between the Seahawks and Buccs that year.)

Reminder, quality QB seasons only get you to the playoffs, otherwise Rodgers would have 8+ championships by now, instead of only 1. By hitting on journeyman career backup Geno Smith (which hasn't been done since Rich Gannon) And stacking these last 2 drafts, the window is now, and it will close faster than you think.

Seattle's plan since the Wilson trade has worked out near perfectly, and not going all in this season was also wise, choosing to cash in on the draft capital filling as many starters as you can with rookie contracts. This year can be used as their measuring stick of sorts, see where they stack up in the NFC, confirm Geno isn't a fluke (I don't think he is, but you never know.) Giving Seattle a 3-4 yr window with as many starters on rookie contracts as possible, paired with some aggressive, savvy moves to round out the roster in '24. That will give them 3 yr window before those rookies start getting paid, and Geno will be entering his late 30s. Quickly it will be over at that point, and drastic changes will need to be made to create a new window, which is too far out to project, but is the nuclear truth.

If it goes how it should this season, they will make the playoffs, maybe win 1 game. At this juncture it will be time to have an aggressive off-season, and most importantly, get an NFL DC that has an actual track record of success at the position. Hurtt like, Richard, and Norton before him, would not/have not been DCs anywhere else in the league after holding the position with the Seahawks for good reason. This is one of the key factors as to why the Seahawks consistently underwhelm on defense since 2016, and if they had a time machine and could do it over again, they would've chose to do it much different, at least I hope.

The division is ripe for the taking, the 49ers are a Brock Purdy injury away from being in "blow it up" mode, or "enjoy the decline denial mode." As their key pieces that are very expensive age out. Kyle gets his QBs injured every year, so…
 

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I'm a firm believer that a huge amount of luck goes into winning a SB. If it can be willed through great coaching, QB play and savvy front office work then there would be top dogs that stayed top dogs. But teams go up and down faster than a hooker on a dick.

And you can't ignore injuries in the matter. Teams that stay healthy especially at key positions will have a much higher chance to progress through the playoffs.
 

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Young team = low payroll thus allowing to get top fa’s to fill in the gaps. If a few of those young players are really good, right off the bat, you are likely going to be a very good team.
 

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I'm a firm believer that a huge amount of luck goes into winning a SB. If it can be willed through great coaching, QB play and savvy front office work then there would be top dogs that stayed top dogs. But teams go up and down faster than a hooker on a dick.

And you can't ignore injuries in the matter. Teams that stay healthy especially at key positions will have a much higher chance to progress through the playoffs.
Agreed.

2021 Bucs had too many injuries and ran out of steam for a repeat. 2022 Rams also ran out of steam for a repeat.
 

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This ^
Health is HUGE.

YOUNG TEAM
I don't typically listen to Fade or Soulfish because both are myself if not drinking heavily or on meds. So I'm your middle ground people. I want Pete stripped like Holmgen I'm over his shitty defenses I like John he drafts dogs if off the leash if would just stand up and start drafting actual quarterbacks I'm good.
 

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I don't typically listen to Fade or Soulfish because both are myself if not drinking heavily or on meds. So I'm your middle ground people. I want Pete stripped like Holmgen I'm over his shitty defenses I like John he drafts dogs if off the leash if would just stand up and start drafting actual quarterbacks I'm good.
Middle ground, huh? Sort of like Antarctica is technically the middle ground to a ton of more civilized places?
 

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Thanks to Dr. Pigskin for doing the leg work for me. This video is filled with a ton of nuggets, and totally worth the watch on youtube. Seize the day > The Steeler way--is rammed home perfectly, and explains very plainly how teams in recent history are being built to win Championships. Debunking the antiquated notion of how a stunning amount of people seem to think teams are being built, or should be built.

"There isn't a magical [incubating] period to become a good team." -Dr. Pigskin

"The most aggressive, savvy teams get the Lombardi's" -Dr. Pigskin

For those that didn't get the memo and think teams have a nice long 5-8 yr process to construct a dynasty--Teams are simply not built that way in the NFL now. I've been trying to explain it on here for a while, continuously falling on def ears of course. Roster turnover is too high to ever be able to build it in the way people on this site like to frequently talk, or make excuses for their teams coming up short due to youth.

There is no correlation between age and winning the super bowl in the last 10 years. All that matters is your team is good enough to win. The youngest team in the league will be around 25 avg.--the oldest will be around 27 avg.

Younger teams win the Super Bowl, older teams win the Super Bowl, teams somewhere in the middle win the Super Bowl, there is no correlation with age and winning in the modern NFL.

"Being young isn't a valid excuse for teams coming up short anymore." -Dr. Pigskin

And in the Seahawks case, they are actually younger in '23 than they were in '22. In spite of this, expectations are higher than last year. Proving mine and Dr. Pigskin's point.

"When you realize the team you've built won't stay together for [long] that only raises the stakes." -Dr. Pigskin

How ever this upcoming season plays out, (this season is kind of the trial run.) As long as Geno plays great (this is the key). They have to strike while the iron is hot and "seize the day" next offseason-- fire coaches that aren't performing *cough* *hurtt* *cough* And aggressively go get the pieces they need on the roster to fill their holes and win the whole damn thing next season.

Otherwise, they will be what they've been since 2016… a pretender. Good enough to make the playoffs, but that is it. They will squander this young core and their QB in his prime. They kinda squandered it last year. They started 6-3, and proceeded to lose a buncha winnable games going 3-5 in the 2nd half, with one of the most under performing defenses I have ever seen.

The one thing Dr. Pigskin didn't point out, which he should have - is the power of the Franchise QB. The best QBs consistently make the playoffs, always keeping you in it, year in and year out. However, the most complete and well coached teams actually end up winning in the playoffs. This dichotomy is hard for some to distinguish for some reason.

Geno Smith playing out of his mind the first half of the season is the reason why the Seahawks weren't a disaster record wise and made the playoffs. As much of a feel good story as it was. If Geno was just merely a TJack bridge style QB, the Seahawks finish with 5 wins, fans would be talking about gutting the team and cleaning house up top, even if the roster was exactly the same (exciting an young). That is the power of a quality QB. Some are calling Bill Belichick overrated without Brady (they're wrong) but does illustrate once again the power of a quality QB and correlation of regular season record.

The QB is the hardest piece to find, the job is to then surround him with as much talent as you can by making savvy moves. Not sit around and do the bare minimum because they paid the QB $35M APY and you just don't have the cap space. The Rams and the Chiefs have put that to bed in recent years. And Brady w/the Buccs cap hit in the year they won the Super Bowl was only $3M less than Russell Wilson that season. ($3M wouldn't be enough to bridge the roster talent gap between the Seahawks and Buccs that year.)

Reminder, quality QB seasons only get you to the playoffs, otherwise Rodgers would have 8+ championships by now, instead of only 1. By hitting on journeyman career backup Geno Smith (which hasn't been done since Rich Gannon) And stacking these last 2 drafts, the window is now, and it will close faster than you think.

Seattle's plan since the Wilson trade has worked out near perfectly, and not going all in this season was also wise, choosing to cash in on the draft capital filling as many starters as you can with rookie contracts. This year can be used as their measuring stick of sorts, see where they stack up in the NFC, confirm Geno isn't a fluke (I don't think he is, but you never know.) Giving Seattle a 3-4 yr window with as many starters on rookie contracts as possible, paired with some aggressive, savvy moves to round out the roster in '24. That will give them 3 yr window before those rookies start getting paid, and Geno will be entering his late 30s. Quickly it will be over at that point, and drastic changes will need to be made to create a new window, which is too far out to project, but is the nuclear truth.

If it goes how it should this season, they will make the playoffs, maybe win 1 game. At this juncture it will be time to have an aggressive off-season, and most importantly, get an NFL DC that has an actual track record of success at the position. Hurtt like, Richard, and Norton before him, would not/have not been DCs anywhere else in the league after holding the position with the Seahawks for good reason. This is one of the key factors as to why the Seahawks consistently underwhelm on defense since 2016, and if they had a time machine and could do it over again, they would've chose to do it much different, at least I hope.

The division is ripe for the taking, the 49ers are a Brock Purdy injury away from being in "blow it up" mode, or "enjoy the decline denial mode." As their key pieces that are very expensive age out. Kyle gets his QBs injured every year, so…

For the Hawks, being young isn't an excuse it's an asset. It plays into Carrolls theory of motivation and getting the best out of players in their first contract which keeps the salary cap in check.

LTH
 

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Youth and inexperience are valid reasons why people and teams underperform. Plenty of other variables are at play, but this one is fundamental and a part of development. So, it's reasonable for fans of younger teams to use youth as an excuse because it is a legitimate factor in their team's performance.

Keep in mind that doesn't mean all young teams will develop into winners. Obviously, they still have to prove they are good enough. But that's not a fan issue.
 

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I don't buy the premise. It feels like Dr P did a bunch of research, found no correlation, so he had to draw a conclusion to make his video. The last 3 SB winners isn't statistically relevant to all data from the cap era. He completely ignored the Patriot dynasty that actually disproves his entire point. Belichick (and Chiefs) did the exact opposite of Bucs and Rams and (in my unqualified opinion) is the method JS is following. -trade overvalued assets, build through the draft, fill in holes with journeyman FAs (not splashy), create a team culture around winning. The Chiefs trading Hill didn't feel like an "all in" move to me either...not like the Rams or Bucs picking up huge FA contracts and mortgaging futute picks. It comes down to Pats, Chiefs (and hopefully Seahawks) trading over valued players while the Bucs, Rams (maybe Jets) bringing in high priced FA QBs for a one-year run. Following Dr Ps formula as presented, the Broncos would have won the SB last year. To me, the video shows young aggressive coaches go all in to win and then have to rebuild (Saleh?, Hackett, McVay...). Old coaches that survive rely on a winning culture and (when they're true to it) win consistently. RCW interrupted Seattle's dynasty but it's on its way back.

Dr P wasn't born until the cap era so much of this information seems intuitive to me, and I'd guess to the other old farts here on .net.

Also, "young teams" do exist in the NFL but (of course) the average age of every team is close because of the cap. A young team has young leaders and young players in central roles, regardless of average age, age/snap or vet QB. There's simply no question, in my mind, that the 22 Seahawks was a "Young Team" compared to the 21 Seahawks. My opinion, not trying to convince anyone. BWagz leaving and Geno being a rookie starter even though he's an old guy just changed the team. It's not worth arguing about so we could use a different term if that's the goal. ...say "youthful" or "inexperienced" ...

Relative to the Seahawks, I think everyone's in agreement that we have more talent than we've had in a while. That should lead to more wins.

I, personally, think franchise QBs are overvalued too. That's probably because I like the idea of a dynasty and not a one hit wonder. Best case scenario is a QB making less than he's worth. I think the Seahawks are headed in the right direction and am optimistic. No one's yet convinced me otherwise.
 

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I don't typically listen to Fade or Soulfish because both are myself if not drinking heavily or on meds. So I'm your middle ground people. I want Pete stripped like Holmgen I'm over his shitty defenses I like John he drafts dogs if off the leash if would just stand up and start drafting actual quarterbacks I'm good.
No, you are "Middle" of the road where the chicken was a runnin' till it got it's butt runned over.
 

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So last season they weren’t as young to you as we thought they were and had no excuses in your mind.

Now that they are young enough for you to acknowledge that they are young, they still have no margin for error?

Umm…
 
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So last season they weren’t as young to you as we thought they were and had no excuses in your mind.

Now that they are young enough for you to acknowledge that they are young, they still have no margin for error?

Umm…
What?

2022: I said age isn't an excuse.

2023: I said age isn't an excuse.

Last year I said the Seahawks would be younger in '23, but with higher expecations so the "their young" excuse would age like milk. Here we are.
 
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