Wilson confirms Seahawks tried to trade him in 2018

[hoxrox]

Allen is balling right now. Straight gamer. Brutal stiff arm for the first down. Quick passes to beat Aaron Donald. Long bombs for the TD. He can do it all.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Wasn't that before Russ extended?

Because that trade made perfect sense before the extension since it made no sense for Wilson to extend.

 

[Mizak]

Seeing the way Allen is playing, him being a Game Manager for the Seahawk Offense would have been a very bad idea.

 

[toffee]

Allen is balling right now. Straight gamer. Brutal stiff arm for the first down. Quick passes to beat Aaron Donald. Long bombs for the TD. He can do it all.

Allen's ball velocity of 62mph is the highest in the league. Just saying, Geno and Russ, yes Russ was 55 mph, Lock? haha 54 mph.

 

[CPHawk]

JS is playing chess. For those of you calling for his head remember that he was actively into Mahomes and Allen. He kinda knows what he is doing.

He has Fd up a lot of drafts also.

 

[toffee]

He has Fd up a lot of drafts also.

He also drafted Russell Wilson, Boddy Wagner, and company.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Seeing the way Allen is playing, him being a Game Manager for the Seahawk Offense would have been a very bad idea.

He wouldn't have been a game manager. Let's not act like these guys don't weigh arm strength and downfield passing heavily.

 

[toffee]

He wouldn't have been a game manager. Let's not act like these guys don't weigh arm strength and downfield passing heavily.

Tonight's game, 31 passes and 25 runs, the Bills played balanced balls. Averaging 4.8 yards per run didn't hurt either. When it comes to arm strength, Allen is in his own league.

 

[nwHawk]

Hmmm, Seahawks kicking the tires looking to get better. Not sure I see the problem with it.

 

[Ozzy]

Hintsight is 20/20, but wouldn't the Hawks be better of with Allen? With Russ, we didn't really get anywhere, did we?

How many SB's has Allen won with a much better roster? I think Russ to this point has been better than Allen but Allen has a bright future and would of been great here too.

 

[Torc]

Seeing the way Allen is playing, him being a Game Manager for the Seahawk Offense would have been a very bad idea.

You know who else is a game manager? Tom Brady. He'll throw for 4000 yards when that's what the team needs, but he'll also happily ride a workhorse running back all the way to a championship. He doesn't give a crap about winning MVP....which makes him far more likely to. Russ was accused of being a game manager when we went to two super bowls. If he'd been MORE of a game manager instead of trying to be the super bowl MVP, we'd probably have two championships.


Please, give me a game manager with Josh Allen's talent.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Hintsight is 20/20, but wouldn't the Hawks be better of with Allen? With Russ, we didn't really get anywhere, did we?

Umm the superbowl? Twice?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Umm the superbowl? Twice?

In 2018?

 

[keasley45]

You know who else is a game manager? Tom Brady. He'll throw for 4000 yards when that's what the team needs, but he'll also happily ride a workhorse running back all the way to a championship. He doesn't give a crap about winning MVP....which makes him far more likely to. Russ was accused of being a game manager when we went to two super bowls. If he'd been MORE of a game manager instead of trying to be the super bowl MVP, we'd probably have two championships.


Please, give me a game manager with Josh Allen's talent.

Exactly.


I think Pete himself is getting fed up with the perception that he doesn't want a kickass qb to ball out at the position. He was asked about it recently and said flat out if the guy can play and protects the ball, he can do whatever he wants.

Contrary to popular belief, guys like Rodgers lean on the running game quite a bit, and don't mind it... actually prefer it. But if they have to, they can sit in the pocket and pick defenses apart. Play by play, over and over. And when they want to, they can push the ball wherever it needs to go.

Russ's game is either manager behind a defense and running game, or he's making sh't up running around , extending plays to beat coverages. He's not adept at beating defenses with his ability to diagnose and react.

If Allen were here, we'd be balling just the same. Nobody stopped Russ in 2020 from going a full 16 games throwing the lights out but Russ and his inability to beat defenses. No different than 2021.

 

[TwistedHusky]

You have far far too much confidence in Pete on that one Keasely.

Based on the past 5-7 years, it seems that an Allen under Carroll would be much much less effective. Much lower risk, a lot less throws. More of the throws on 3rd downs when the run game cannot move us the first few downs.

We surely would have been better the past 5 years, but due to our tendency to squander cap space on nobodies, not sure we would be as good as it would seem on first glance.

I was at that game where Dishman ran it back, and Reich (who I had never heard of at the time) came in for Kelly to win the game in the 2nd half. It was pretty amazing, even from the nosebleeds. Buffalo deserves a winner. That is a great football city (though an ugly city). I am happy for them.
Used to love that team, with Cornelius Bennet, Talley, Bruce Smith, and Jim Kelly was incredible to watch*. Never was a fan of Thurman Thomas but realize in hindsight that him looking for his helmet on the sidelines was probably the sign of a concussion. Thomas was a great RB though if it wasn't the SB.

* Was at Fort Drum at the time, so you got the Buffalo games when they were not blacked out. It wasn't me abandoning the Hawks, they were not available. You get stationed in NY - you watch a lot of Knicks, Bills and Giants games.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

You have far far too much confidence in Pete on that one Keasely.

Based on the past 5-7 years, it seems that an Allen under Carroll would be much much less effective. Much lower risk, a lot less throws. More of the throws on 3rd downs when the run game cannot move us the first few downs.

We surely would have been better the past 5 years, but due to our tendency to squander cap space on nobodies, not sure we would be as good as it would seem on first glance.

I was at that game where Dishman ran it back, and Reich (who I had never heard of at the time) came in for Kelly to win the game in the 2nd half. It was pretty amazing, even from the nosebleeds. Buffalo deserves a winner. That is a great football city (though an ugly city). I am happy for them.
Used to love that team, with Cornelius Bennet, Talley, Bruce Smith, and Jim Kelly was incredible to watch*. Never was a fan of Thurman Thomas but realize in hindsight that him looking for his helmet on the sidelines was probably the sign of a concussion. Thomas was a great RB though if it wasn't the SB.

* Was at Fort Drum at the time, so you got the Buffalo games when they were not blacked out. It wasn't me abandoning the Hawks, they were not available. You get stationed in NY - you watch a lot of Knicks, Bills and Giants games.

Did you not watch the game last night? 90% of Allen's throws were under 5-6 yards, he absolutely carved up the Ram's soft underneath zone defense. THEN he took a couple shots downfield in the 2nd half with great success.

Sound familiar?

Allen is exactly a Carroll type of QB, elusive, tough, smart, and accurate.

 

[TwistedHusky]

That would be impossible to do if you are running 2/3 of your drive.

The throws would be more on 3rd down with the defenses pinning their ears back on you.

No doubt Carroll would love Allen. But I highly doubt Allen would put up near the same numbers or have near the same success, with Carroll trying to sit on the ball.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

That would be impossible to do if you are running 2/3 of your drive.

The throws would be more on 3rd down with the defenses pinning their ears back on you.

No doubt Carroll would love Allen. But I highly doubt Allen would put up near the same numbers or have near the same success, with Carroll trying to sit on the ball.

You guys talk about a run heavy team like it's a bad thing. Go through the run/pass percentages of teams of the past 10 years and look at who's at the top, most are deep playoff teams.

And specifically look at what year's the Hawks were #1 in run heavy offense, SB and Championship years.

NFL Run/Pass Ratios - 2020

Run/Pass ratios for the 2020 NFL season.

www.fftoday.com

Balance is important, running the ball effectively is important, especially in the modern zone defenses that most teams employ to keep explosive plays at a minimum.

Allen would have done just fine here, he's a tremendous talent and would have fit into Pete's schemes just fine, just as he has in Buffalo with a comparable HC and coordinator who also understand these philosophical tenants above.

 

[scutterhawk]

You guys act like Russ stopped the trade and/or Allen would have been just as good in Seattle.

LOLOL And you act like Allen wouldn't have been a major upgrade to Geno.

 

[SonicHawk]

LOLOL And you act like Allen wouldn't have been a major upgrade to Geno.

It's 2022. This trade was talked about in 2018. You want to trade RW in 2018, who just came off 38 TDs and 11 INT and almost 4000 yards passing for a rookie QB from Wyoming?