Why Are Fans So Upset?

[SoulfishHawk]

We can agree to disagree, that's our jam. And that's fine. WAY too early to get rid of a guy. Just my opinion.

 

[kidhawk]

I would almost consider this a throw away season with a coach determining who needs to go and who needs to stay. MM isn't an idiot. He recognizes the areas that need work and i'm sure he'll address those areas.

This is an area I’m more concerned about than you seem to be. One thing I respected at the start of the PC era was he’d get rid of anyone not fully buying into the system from the start. IMO that helped build a real TEAM attitude on and off the field. That is one aspect I really want to see here again. I’m not really seeing these players becoming a team. Maybe that’s more on John, I don’t know for sure but it’s something I want to see sooner rather than later.

 

[knownone]

Could they not see or understand the state of the team? The Hawks are an average to bad team and have been for the past 3 or so seasons. For the life of me, I don't know how anybody truly thought they would beat Buffalo. There's an enomous amount of things that need fixed with only so many resources and so much time. I said it earlier on that I thought Seattle was probably the worst team in the division and that may be true. MM might not be the answer long term, but he's a proven defensive guy and he at least should have the team headed in the right direction by year 3. So calm down. It's going to be a process and it should have been expected.

Eh...The Seahawks' FO certainly doesn't see themselves as an average-to-bad team. I mean, rewatch those offseason press conferences and tell me you honestly believe THEY thought this team would be last place in the division. They talked about playoffs and failed expectations after a nine-win season. Here's John's opening line from his first press conference this season.

We are all here today because we underachieved in 2023. We all did. And now we’re in a situation where we all need to get better. And we understand that the 12s, the fans, the community, [owner] Jody [Allen], everybody in this building deserves better,

Seattle suffered its worst home loss in seven years. What do you think Jody and Vulcan, the ones setting these expectations, will think if things continue trending downward?

 

[GeekHawk]

Did you look at the prediction thread? Lol. A lot of fans can't see through their bias and believe the team to be so much better than it is.

Just so you know, in 1992 I predicted a Seahawks win in every game. I was right twice!

 

[Tech Worlds]

We are upset because we are watching garbage football. What we saw on Sunday, the team should be embarrassed. I didn't think we would be buffalo. But I thought maybe we had a chance. We didn't. This is a garbage football team.
I don't expect them to be world beaters right now but I do expect competency. We don't have that anywhere on the field.
I got no problem shit canning the GM and head coach after this year if the team continues down this path.
Yesterday was unexceptable and it broke me. MacDaddy no longer gets the benefit of the doubt with me. He has to earn my respect because honestly he hasn't. His team is garbage and it reflects on him and his staff.

 

[SeaWolv]

When the team plays like sh**, I'm gonna' be upset. No matter what season. It's one thing to play hard and get knocked off (Lions game)

You can tip your cap to the opponent. It's another to shoot yourself in the foot AND play like garbage for 4 quarters.

You're not wrong, when the team underperforms fans have a right to be upset. The thing that doesn't make sense are those fans that want to blow the whole thing up at this point. We have to give the current course time to work. If we're still seeing this kind of performance late in the season next year then disappoint and speculation should rightfully ramp up.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep.

 

[ZagHawk]

Could they not see or understand the state of the team? The Hawks are an average to bad team and have been for the past 3 or so seasons. For the life of me, I don't know how anybody truly thought they would beat Buffalo. There's an enomous amount of things that need fixed with only so many resources and so much time. I said it earlier on that I thought Seattle was probably the worst team in the division and that may be true. MM might not be the answer long term, but he's a proven defensive guy and he at least should have the team headed in the right direction by year 3. So calm down. It's going to be a process and it should have been expected.

I stand by my prediction that it's gonna take 2-3 years. It sucks to watch the team non-compete, but if you want an omelet you gotta break some eggs

 

[ZagHawk]

You're not wrong, when the team underperforms fans have a right to be upset. The thing that doesn't make sense are those fans that want to blow the whole thing up at this point. We have to give the current course time to work. If we're still seeing this kind of performance late in the season next year then disappoint and speculation should rightfully ramp up.

Is this team really underperforming? or are we hanging onto the underperformance of other teams as what this team is capable of? Maybe this team is not under or overperforming, and is just...performing what it is.

I can shoot 10 three pointers in basketball and maybe 3-4 shots I will actually make, but when I miss the other 6-7 (or realistically 8 lol) does that suddenly mean I'm underperforming what I'm capable of shooting? No..I'm performing as expected.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

If they end up with 7 or 8 wins, it'll be right around where it was expected. In the meantime, I'm pissed off today, and will be grumpy af until at least Wednesday. Welcome to Seahawks football

 

[SeaChick]

I'm upset because it's embarrassing to go to two home games in a row and be surrounded by fans from the other team who are louder than our own fans, who have more to cheer for than our own fans. I've been going to, what, 8 games per year for 20 years, since 2004 ("cheap seats", in the 300s). There were some lousy teams in those years, who lost a lot of games. But the fans were still in it, were still loud, and it was at least still fun to show up and cheer for the team and share in group misery when they lost. I used to take pride in who showed up, how loud we were, what our team put on the field, no matter what happened. Not this year (last year was pretty awful too, but this year really takes it).

The 49er fans were the worst-- foul mouthed, aggressive, worst I've ever experienced. And the Bills fans were loud and doing group chants around us (at least they were polite). But for the first time, I am thinking of giving up our season tickets. It's just not worth spending the time and money to see no improvement, game after game after game, to be embarrassed in my own "home" if no one else seems to care, and that includes the team on the field and our own fans. I guess butts in seats is still money for ownership and NFL even if it isn't our own fans. Whatever. How "patient" are you supposed to be? Let someone else pay for it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Many fans have been priced out, it's reality. And it sucks.
While I will NEVER give up my season tickets, I can totally understand why some people do.

 

[SuperSonic67]

We badly need a win on Sunday. Division game at home, before the bye. If there’s any chance of us finishing anywhere near a “successful” first year under a new head coach, you at least have to show you can compete in your own division

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I have no idea what to expect with this team. They could come out and pull off a big win, or they could lay an egg. I'm more concerned that they seem to be a better road team than in their own stadium.

 

[pittpnthrs]

This is different. Mac is a first timer. Carroll bought himself time by churning out like 10 seasons of 10+ wins in 14 years and then going 9-8 in 2022 when most expected 5 wins.

That leeway isn't there. There needs to be a clear vision on display. They NEED to have something to build on.

There is leeway (or should be). The clear vision is that the roster doesn't have the talent or skills to execute what needs to be executed. The Oline is poor, the LB corp is poor, and the secondary is still underwhelming. Until those things are fixed, the team is handcuffed. It's going to take a couple seasons of drafts and free agency to get bodies to fill in the gaps.

MM has been successful with the defensive side of the ball wherever he's been. Give him a chance here.

 

[SuperSonic67]

…4 of our next 5 games are division opponents.

 

[pittpnthrs]

This is an area I’m more concerned about than you seem to be. One thing I respected at the start of the PC era was he’d get rid of anyone not fully buying into the system from the start. IMO that helped build a real TEAM attitude on and off the field. That is one aspect I really want to see here again. I’m not really seeing these players becoming a team. Maybe that’s more on John, I don’t know for sure but it’s something I want to see sooner rather than later.

I understand what your saying, but Pete had an advantage at the time. He grabbed up a punishing RB with an attitude that thrived on yards after contact, he drafted a QB that could run and improvise and was good enough to start from the outset, and he had an inside lock on college talent he zeroed in on. Not to mention the league was different back then. All that being said, he still went 7-9 his first season. What everybody around here is alluding to is, if MM goes 7-10 (extra game now) he should be hind and quartered and sent packing. It's crazy.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Our lines, man!

There is this thought swimming around here that just cause Seattle has some talent, it’s enough to win consistently….

Everything always goes back to trench warfare!

Seattle does NOT have enough talent in both trenches right now to showcase just how talented its skill positions really are.

You can think of the secondary has the “skill position” of the defense and defensive line has maybe one solid game wrecker right now in Murphy/Mafe/Williams.

Murph is still a rookie. Mafe has been injured. Williams can’t do everything by himself.

The offensive line has one high blue collar talent pick in Charles Cross, and everyone else is either nothing more than depth guys and the next best piece has a significant injury.

Pretty much sums up how awful Seattle is.

The common denominator is when Seattle loses and really loses, they are abused, taken out to the woodshed and hammered in the trenches on both sides.

This is the root of Seattle’s problem.

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, John Schneider sucks at drafting offensive line and his system where this isn’t enough “value” for drafting offensive lineman early is a foundational error that he has resided over for more than decade now.

Schneider needs to reevaluate his “value” system and or step aside because his talent for scouting lineman (both offense and defense) has been abysmal for the past 8 years or so.

We need a new GM honestly.

I don’t know if that means moving on from Mac early or not, I’d rather keep Mac, honestly, and move on from Schneider this year.

But, we will have to see how this plays out…..

Seattle is an average team at BEST, hovering around .500 at 8-9, 9-8 or so….

It’s just too inconsistent to be contenders.

Let’s not fool ourselves, anymore.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

While I like JS, I certainly am open to the consideration of a new GM. Not saying fire John at all, BUT.......if it was to happen, so be it.
I'm not fooling myself. They're average, they've been average and they'll be average this season. It's what I expected. I don't have to like it though (folds arms)

 

[SeaChick]

Honestly, a BIG part of the problem is Geno, and I'm ready to move on from him. He has no presence on the field. Matt had presence, always. Russell had presence, even when he seemed perhaps a bit "fake". Geno has none-- when things don't go his way, he stomps about and pouts, and turns inward, and everything goes downhill from there. I don't care what his numbers are. He's not a leader.