Who else is worried about Byron Murphey?

[Ozzy]

Someone beat me to it but his advanced metrics were actually pretty solid. I think he takes a massive leap this year

 

[Hawkpower]

Because there is no evidence that he is beyond average at this point

And yeah double team is not evidence of greatness

18 ppg with him
35 ppg without him

Seems kinda like evidence to me

 

[Shane Falco]

One things for sure, his floor is a very solid d-lineman. Will he live up to top 20 pick? Hard to judge after just one season. Now if he sucked out of the gate, that would be different. I guess you'd be wondering then if he did or you think he did.

 

[Rat]

18 ppg with him
35 ppg without him

Seems kinda like evidence to me

Yeah, where would we have been without those 12 snaps he took against the Skylar Thompson led Dolphins or those three snaps against the Rams backups? You know who we played in the three games he took the most snaps? Bills, Packers, and the first Rams game: L, L, L.

 

[Dallashawksfan]

18 ppg with him
35 ppg without him

Seems kinda like evidence to me

Nope meaningless

That’s like saying a guy is great because his team made the playoffs. What plays did he make ?

 

[Seattle Person]

Nope meaningless

That’s like saying a guy is great because his team made the playoffs. What plays did he make ?

Here is the thing.

This post has so many holes in it. Dude has played 1 season with good advanced stats and not so good traditional stats.

For me it's simple. Murphy can do what little on this team can. He offers a real Swiss army knife on the line. He helps everyone else do their jobs.

He has a role and established that by his rookie season. That's good. Real good.

Sorry if fans can't see the impact. Not every pick is going to have shiny production. Can they have impact though? If so then it's successful to me.

 

[Hawkpower]

Nope meaningless

That’s like saying a guy is great because his team made the playoffs. What plays did he make ?

I'm not sure it's fair to say it's meaningless, nor is it fair to say its the ONLY reason for the huge point differential

But one person can absolutely can make a difference and you know it. Might not be absolute proof, but to just disregard it as meaningless is disingenuous

 

[Hawkpower]

Yeah, where would we have been without those 12 snaps he took against the Skylar Thompson led Dolphins or those three snaps against the Rams backups? You know who we played in the three games he took the most snaps? Bills, Packers, and the first Rams game: L, L, L.

You've made it clear you aren't a huge fan.

Noted

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Murphy is not out of position. I truly feel like Mac is using him the way he should be used. A true Swiss army knife on the D line.

Murphy is not a NT, which is where he was most of the time. In MM’s scheme go back to Baltimore where he had a large 340 Lb guy to clog the middle. That’s not Murphy.

If you look at Baltimore, Murphy is more the Madubuike type. Murphy mostly was playing NT out of necessity and to get his best guys on the field but Murphy is more of a DE than a NT in this D.

 

[pmedic920]

We were 10-4 and we gave up 18.6 ppg when he played, we were 0-3 without him and gave up 35.6 ppg.

I'd call that an impact. Also, before anyone starts asking about quality of the competition, one of those 3 losses were to the Giants.

Facts!

How have we become a society that ignores facts, and argues based on our feelings?

Great post @Maulbert

 

[pmedic920]

I'm worried about Eddie Murphy. Dude hasnt made a solid movie in what feels like decades.

Not that’s some funny shit right there!

Kudos

 

[Sprfunk]

He didn't have splashy stats for sure, but his presence was felt. He was exceptionally effective at run stopping, and The team suffered when he was out. He did effective the pass rush also. All and all he was a great pick. I'm still stoked for what he can be.

 

[Seattle Person]

Murphy is not a NT, which is where he was most of the time. In MM’s scheme go back to Baltimore where he had a large 340 Lb guy to clog the middle. That’s not Murphy.

If you look at Baltimore, Murphy is more the Madubuike type. Murphy mostly was playing NT out of necessity and to get his best guys on the field but Murphy is more of a DE than a NT in this D.

Based on what though? Fans' perception of what a NT is? I'll keep making this case. Michael Pierce was a dynamic DT in 2023 that happened to play Nose and was over 340 lbs. NT was his title but he provided versatility and some pass rush abilities. He wasn't just a 0-tech that played limited snaps. He played a bunch in their 2-4-5 alignment. Most games, he played over 50% of the snaps. True NTs don't do that...

Michael Pierce played A-gap snaps on only 20% of his snaps. He played 640 snaps overall in 2023 so that means he only played true NT snaps on about 128ish snaps. The rest of the time, he lined up in the B gap as a 1-Tech, 2-i, 3T. My point is you want a dynamic dude in the middle. Not just some dude, but a real dude. Not all giant guys are going to make this impact. Ask Bryan Mone. Give me dynamic over some 340+ lb JAG.

Going back to Murphy. This is exactly how Murphy should be used. He can take on the A-gap responsibilities or have someone else do it, it's not necessary because Murphy can do it...After all, the Seahawks use true A-gap alignment even fewer than the 2023 Baltimore Ravens. What is needed is someone that can do A-Gap things but for B-Gap and shade techniques. Contrary to what people think, not many current Seahawk players nor do many rookie NTs can do what Murphy can do. They can't seamlessly move from A-gap to B-gap. They can't penetrate or hold the line on any given snap. That's what Pierce in 2023 was doing. That was what Byron Murphy was beginning to establish as his role in 2024.

I don't think the conversation is good enough when we talk about Byron Murphy's role. When people say a rookie is going to take over Murphy's snaps as a NT, we are talking about maybe 10 snaps a game as a true A-gap NT. This is what we want?

 

[Atradees]

If we add Tank maybe Eddie Murphy gets a nomination. Give me the 4 3 everytime.

 

[Dallashawksfan]

Here is the thing.

This post has so many holes in it. Dude has played 1 season with good advanced stats and not so good traditional stats.

For me it's simple. Murphy can do what little on this team can. He offers a real Swiss army knife on the line. He helps everyone else do their jobs.

He has a role and established that by his rookie season. That's good. Real good.

Sorry if fans can't see the impact. Not every pick is going to have shiny production. Can they have impact though? If so then it's successful to me.

Didn’t say he does not have a role or not contributing

Just saying he hasn’t stood out as the 2nd highest defensive player picked in the draft

People get so defensive

 

[Seattle Person]

Didn’t say he does not have a role or not contributing

Just saying he hasn’t stood out as the 2nd highest defensive player picked in the draft

People get so defensive

?

The title of your thread....

 

[Count Hawkula]

I saw maybe a couple flashes, but was very unimpressed. Just that..

 

[Rat]

You've made it clear you aren't a huge fan.

Noted

Yeah, only a real fan would give a player full team credit for games where they barely played.

 

[Hawkpower]

Yeah, only a real fan would give a player full team credit for games where they barely played.

It’s clear you aren’t a huge fan of Murphy’s

But you knew what I meant

Finding stats to discredit one of our own young players who seemingly is working his butt off is a pretty clear sign

Usually this happens when one wanted a different draft pick in that slot and so we dig in our heels for the rest of that guys career

Hopefully he’ll win you over eventually

 

[pittpnthrs]

There are areas on the team that worry me, Murphy isn't one of them.