Who else is worried about Byron Murphey?

[SoulfishHawk]

Drama town, U.S.A.

Geezus

 

[Rat]

It’s clear you aren’t a huge fan of Murphy’s

But you knew what I meant

Finding stats to discredit one of our own young players who seemingly is working his butt off is a pretty clear sign

Usually this happens when one wanted a different draft pick in that slot and so we dig in our heels for the rest of that guys career

Hopefully he’ll win you over eventually

My issue is the propping up of a player with misleading stats that severely lack context. If you have something legitimate to refute what I said rather than just dismissing any criticism as "oh, you just don't like him", I'd be happy to hear it. He wouldn't be the first player I've changed my stance on.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Come on Rat, you just don't like the guy, and that's fine. He has had ONE season, and you've decided he's a bust.
Talk about premature assumptions. Stats are not the only indication of how well a player is playing overall.
Seems to me that more often than not, if the Hawks don't pick who THEY want them to pick, they just go into "this draft pick sucks" mode.

 

[Chukarhawk]

"As a pass rusher, Murphy finished third among rookie defensive tackles with 21 pressures and first in pass rush win rate (10 percent), proving to be more disruptive than his sack and quarterback hit totals would suggest. Eating up double teams while playing significant snaps as a 3-tech defensive tackle and nose tackle, he also ranked third among rookies at his position with 15 run stops and posted a respectable 2.3 yards for average depth of tackle, consistently making plays near the line of scrimmage even if he wasn't often in the backfield."

 

[CouchLogic]

"As a pass rusher, Murphy finished third among rookie defensive tackles with 21 pressures and first in pass rush win rate (10 percent), proving to be more disruptive than his sack and quarterback hit totals would suggest. Eating up double teams while playing significant snaps as a 3-tech defensive tackle and nose tackle, he also ranked third among rookies at his position with 15 run stops and posted a respectable 2.3 yards for average depth of tackle, consistently making plays near the line of scrimmage even if he wasn't often in the backfield."

Uselss...

Shameful pick. It's almost like he's doing EXACTLY what Seattle needed. Unless some fans loved watching the DEF get shredded by every HB in the league on a damn near historic level? As long as someone gets a sack or two, a $#!++y def is acceptable, lol.

 

[Rat]

Come on Rat, you just don't like the guy, and that's fine. He has had ONE season, and you've decided he's a bust.
Talk about premature assumptions. Stats are not the only indication of how well a player is playing overall.
Seems to me that more often than not, if the Hawks don't pick who THEY want them to pick, they just go into "this draft pick sucks" mode.

I found his season underwhelming and I think some of the arguments people use for him are myopic, like the whole "double teams" thing, but I'll acknowledge he has time to turn it around. I'm not calling for him to be cut.

 

[Rat]

Was this some amazing rookie DT class? Sweat was better, as he was at UT. I know that guy the Rams took later was good. I'll bet the vast majority of those lauding Murphy for where he ranked among the class can't name another DT who was part of it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It's ok to admit you've already made up your mind. It's exactly how I was with Geno. I have no problem admitting it.

 

[Natethegreat]

Was this some amazing rookie DT class? Sweat was better, as he was at UT. I know that guy the Rams took later was good. I'll bet the vast majority of those lauding Murphy for where he ranked among the class can't name another DT who was part of it.

If your point is that Byron Murphy isn't Aaron Donald then your right he isn't. If your saying he is a dissapontment so far I don't see how. He had a really good year for a rookie D tackle.
Played over 50% of snaps and made an impact with pressures and good run D.
I don't see how that is dissapointing especially in year one.
D tackles rarely are stat stuffers and again it was his rookie year. Sweat did not have a better year either. Why are you so hung up on him?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Murphy played for Texas. I don't think THE and Texas like each other too much. That could be part of it.
Not likely, but it could. Seems odd to call someone as a bust so quickly.

 

[Rat]

If your point is that Byron Murphy isn't Aaron Donald then your right he isn't. If your saying he is a dissapontment so far I don't see how. He had a really good year for a rookie D tackle.
Played over 50% of snaps and made an impact with pressures and good run D.
I don't see how that is dissapointing especially in year one.
D tackles rarely are stat stuffers and again it was his rookie year. Sweat did not have a better year either. Why are you so hung up on him?

There are legitimate reasons to be optimistic about his potential. He's OK; there was just a lot of hype about what he would be able to do, and now those who had hoped for better get talked down to like all that hype was never really there to begin with. I think a number of the arguments used for him is just rationalizing.

 

[Rat]

Murphy played for Texas. I don't think THE and Texas like each other too much. That could be part of it.
Not likely, but it could. Seems odd to call someone as a bust so quickly.

Yeah, because that's the only reason someone could possibly be down on a player. Only personal reasons. I've talked up Sweat in numerous threads, including this one. I've also been suggesting Ewers as an option Id be content with and I've talked up Golden too. I defend Earl Thomas repeatedly. But no, it can only be a personal thing.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Damn dude, relax. I actually was joking, but ok. You're taking this way too seriously.
I'll gladly bow out. Clearly it isn't working today. Meh. I thought we were cool.

 

[Rat]

Damn dude, relax. I actually was joking, but ok. You're taking this way too seriously.
I'll gladly bow out. Clearly it isn't working today. Meh. I thought we were cool.

That last part wasn't fair, and I deleted it. I'm sorry for that. I don't appreciate people making assumptions about my intentions of things; I'm wrong very often, but I at least try to back up my wrong.

I shouldn't have let that get to me. I need to be better. My apologies.

 

[Hawkpower]

Murphy played for Texas. I don't think THE and Texas like each other too much. That could be part of it.
Not likely, but it could. Seems odd to call someone as a bust so quickly.

Dallas hawk fan guy might be a fan of a Texas rival as well. Who knows

Weird

Even as a huge CFB fan myself, once a guy gets to the hawks, I could care less who they played for in college. Some guys might not be that way though

 

[chrispy]

The D took a huge step forward last year. BMurphy was a part of that. He deserves, at least 1/11 of the credit. ...some people feel like he deserves a lot more. It's all just varying degrees and everyone has the right to their opinion. It seems like the argument is whether he deserves 1/6 or only 1/9...really? They got a lot better as a team. I'm good with that.

I, personally, would have a hard time arguing that 1)the D got better overall, 2)a player contributed to that improvement, and 3)the player got better as the season progressed, but none of those aspects improved to the degree I think is acceptable. ...just too many moving parts that we, as fans, can't know: assignments, injuries/illnesses, teammates' competence, coaching, personal drama.... I'll take steady improvement and am happy to throw credit to them all (probably moreso if they contributed having never played against grown men before).

I'm sure there are historical picks that JS would redo if he had the chance. A case can be made in '24 for Fiske or Verse, but I think they benefitted from their situation enough that's it's still arguable. ...my opinion. An stronger argument could also be made for OL (Zach Frazier) but recall Offense had been heavily overdrafted up to that point- so understandable. Of course, it's impossible to know all the "what ifs", but if I were JS and had the chance to redraft '24, I'd pick BMurphy again at 18. His versatility saved the teams' bacon on D (in my opinion) and I think ZFrazier's impact on the W/L record is probably (would be) similar when compared... I guess that depends on your judgement of Geno and KWalker. I know it's all theoretical, but maybe it's just my way of saying I don't think anyone in the front office regrets drafting BMurphy. It was an "A" pick and they've had failing picks in that position before.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, we need him to be at his best. Fingers crossed he just keeps getting better as a player.

 

[Rat]

I'm sure there are historical picks that JS would redo if he had the chance. A case can be made in '24 for Fiske or Verse, but I think they benefitted from their situation enough that's it's still arguable. ...my opinion. An stronger argument could also be made for OL (Zach Frazier) but recall Offense had been heavily overdrafted up to that point- so understandable. Of course, it's impossible to know all the "what ifs", but if I were JS and had the chance to redraft '24, I'd pick BMurphy again at 18. His versatility saved the teams' bacon on D (in my opinion) and I think ZFrazier's impact on the W/L record is probably (would be) similar when compared... I guess that depends on your judgement of Geno and KWalker. I know it's all theoretical, but maybe it's just my way of saying I don't think anyone in the front office regrets drafting BMurphy. It was an "A" pick and they've had failing picks in that position before.

Frazier is a little annoying to think about because he would have gone a long way in solving a lot of our problems, and now it looks like the Steelers may have found their next great interior offensive lineman in a guy they took five spots after the pick we traded the Giants for ten games of Leonard Williams in a non-playoff season. Obviously, Williams is great and worth a second rounder on his own, but it's easy to wonder if we could have gotten him in free agency anyway, given that we probably offered the most money. I brought that up in a previous thread though, and someone made the excellent point that perhaps Schneider wouldn't have been as motivated to pay him had he not made the trade. So, who knows? I also have to wonder how necessary it even was to give up a second. If I recall correctly, we gave up a higher pick so the Giants would take more of his remaining salary. In hindsight, was that something that benefitted us to do?

 

[chrispy]

Frazier is a little annoying to think about because he would have gone a long way in solving a lot of our problems, and now it looks like the Steelers may have found their next great interior offensive lineman in a guy they took five spots after the pick we traded the Giants for ten games of Leonard Williams in a non-playoff season. Obviously, Williams is great and worth a second rounder on his own, but it's easy to wonder if we could have gotten him in free agency anyway, given that we probably offered the most money. I brought that up in a previous thread though, and someone made the excellent point that perhaps Schneider wouldn't have been as motivated to pay him had he not made the trade. So, who knows? I also have to wonder how necessary it even was to give up a second. If I recall correctly, we gave up a higher pick so the Giants would take more of his remaining salary. In hindsight, was that something that benefitted us to do?

I'm of the opinion (perhaps wrongfully so, I admit. I have no facts; just my gut.) that if the LWilliams deal didn't happen, Pete Carroll would still be HC, or at least lasted another season therefore missing out on MMac. I like Pete and don't have a lot of negative things to say overall. In retrospect however, others here are probably more correct than I when arguing he was mostly responsible for the Seahawks living in limbo for 5+ seasons. I believe that Pete felt LWilliams was "the missing piece" and that the FO and ownership gave him the opportunity to prove it. Had he not had that chance, I believe it would have provided an opportunity to to drag the marriage into another off season chasing "the last piece" ...and potentially further.

 

[nanomoz]