When will Wilson get those sliding calls?

[rcaido]

Seems like Wilson feels he doesn't the calls with the late hit.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... /#comments

Last week, he definitely got hit by two defenders late when he slides & that pretty much "woke" him and went on a tear after the no call. Im hoping he still angry...

Now that he is in the top 10 of the decade, do you think Wilson will get the calls? Will he start getting more or do you feel he already gets calls.

Discuss

 

[2_0_6]

He needs to start his slide just a tad bit earlier to get those calls.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Russ sometimes starts the slide AFTER defenders leap to stop him. So at the time of that defender's motion, he's still an eligible runner but isn't once he's initiated the slide. At that point, the defender can't correct his action.

Are these cases judged by when the defender initiated contact (i.e, the leap on a running Russ) or is it always just based on whether he's sliding when the contact actually happens?

 

[Sports Hernia]

He needs to start his slide just a tad bit earlier to get those calls.

Disagree. The rule is not evenly applied.

 

[RolandDeschain]

He needs to start his slide just a tad bit earlier to get those calls.

More like he needs to grow another four inches and only pass from the pocket to get the old fuddy duddy respect needed to get those calls.

 

[GeekHawk]

He'll get those calls when he starts playing for one of "those" franchises. You all know who they are, and since he's here for life he'll never get those calls. He'll get killed before the NFL admits that sort of thing is a thing.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

As much as I do not like Cam Newton, he got even fewer of these types of calls. The rules are not applied evenly. Surprise!

 

[John63]

He needs to start his slide just a tad bit earlier to get those calls.

LOL I heard it all, now its Wilson fault when he slides and gets hit he does not get the call. LOL

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

From here: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... rterbacks/

January 2, 2020 at 8:40 pm
To be more objective I found a web site that lists the number of times defenders have been called for roughing the passer after they hit a quarterback. Between 2009 and 2019, 28 defendeers have been given roughing the passer penalties after hitting Wilson. The numbers are similar for Drew Brees (29), Tom Brady (28), Aaron Rodgers (31), Cam Newton (30), Jay Culter (30) and Matt Ryan (39).

If we count the number of times defenders have been called for roughing after sacking quarterbacks, Wilson has been sacked 386 times. That translates into 1 roughing the passer penalty every 13.15 times Wilson was sacked. Aaron Rodgers have been sacked 445 times, and that translates into 1 roughing penalty called every 14.4 sacks. So, if anything, Wilson is more likely to get a roughing the passer penalty than Aaron Rodgers if he is sacked. Tom Brady has been sacked 334 times, so that translates into 1 roughing penalty every 11.9 times he was sacked, slightly higher than Wilson. Numbers do not lie. Wilson is not treated any differently by referees than other quarterbacks around the league.

 

[RolandDeschain]

From here: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... rterbacks/

January 2, 2020 at 8:40 pm
To be more objective I found a web site that lists the number of times defenders have been called for roughing the passer after they hit a quarterback. Between 2009 and 2019, 28 defendeers have been given roughing the passer penalties after hitting Wilson. The numbers are similar for Drew Brees (29), Tom Brady (28), Aaron Rodgers (31), Cam Newton (30), Jay Culter (30) and Matt Ryan (39).

If we count the number of times defenders have been called for roughing after sacking quarterbacks, Wilson has been sacked 386 times. That translates into 1 roughing the passer penalty every 13.15 times Wilson was sacked. Aaron Rodgers have been sacked 445 times, and that translates into 1 roughing penalty called every 14.4 sacks. So, if anything, Wilson is more likely to get a roughing the passer penalty than Aaron Rodgers if he is sacked. Tom Brady has been sacked 334 times, so that translates into 1 roughing penalty every 11.9 times he was sacked, slightly higher than Wilson. Numbers do not lie. Wilson is not treated any differently by referees than other quarterbacks around the league.

You can't make a blind comparison this way, because Wilson runs around a lot more than any of those guys. Plus, the "after sacking quarterbacks" part is very limiting; what about when the QB isn't sacked?

 

[Popeyejones]

^ roughing calls per sack (which they're doing) is IMO almost definitely the best in a sea of imperfect measures on this.


As for the article, my read is that Florio is doing his typical Florio thing and trying to squeeze conflict out of a totally (standard) non-commital and innocuous quote from Wilson.

Re sliding and penalities, it will NEVER happen, but I think it's generally over-called, and QBs need to be held more responsible for not abusing it. Make it like traveling in the NBA, once you start your slide the defender gets one free step to still hit you, but if they take two steps from the start of you slide and still hit you it's a penalty. All this stuff would go away instantly.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I wish the Florio commenter had told us what Web site he's getting his info from.

As it is though, it's not said what fraction of the hits are on slides. Among his list, AR's the best comparison.

Here's the actual rule:

(1) A defender must pull up when a runner begins a feet-first slide. This does not mean that all contact by a defender is
illegal. If a defender has already committed himself, and the contact is unavoidable, it is not a foul unless the defender
commits some other act, such as helmet-to-helmet contact or by driving his forearm or shoulder into the head or neck
area of the runner.
(2) A runner who desires to take advantage of this protection is responsible for starting his slide before contact by a
defensive player is imminent; if he does not, and waits until the last moment to begin his slide, he puts himself in
jeopardy of being contacted.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pu ... Scrimm.pdf

So the question is do the refs think the defender has committed and contact is unavoidable. There's no review. There's just what they think in the moment.

But the gist of the rule itself is to exempt defenders who took action just beforehand.

 

[jeremiah]

From here: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... rterbacks/

January 2, 2020 at 8:40 pm
To be more objective I found a web site that lists the number of times defenders have been called for roughing the passer after they hit a quarterback. Between 2009 and 2019, 28 defendeers have been given roughing the passer penalties after hitting Wilson. The numbers are similar for Drew Brees (29), Tom Brady (28), Aaron Rodgers (31), Cam Newton (30), Jay Culter (30) and Matt Ryan (39).

If we count the number of times defenders have been called for roughing after sacking quarterbacks, Wilson has been sacked 386 times. That translates into 1 roughing the passer penalty every 13.15 times Wilson was sacked. Aaron Rodgers have been sacked 445 times, and that translates into 1 roughing penalty called every 14.4 sacks. So, if anything, Wilson is more likely to get a roughing the passer penalty than Aaron Rodgers if he is sacked. Tom Brady has been sacked 334 times, so that translates into 1 roughing penalty every 11.9 times he was sacked, slightly higher than Wilson. Numbers do not lie. Wilson is not treated any differently by referees than other quarterbacks around the league.

A personal foul for hitting a defenseless player like a sliding QB, is not a roughing the passer call.

 

[getnasty]

I can't honestly think of one slide where i thought they should have throw a flag or at least not one that i was upset that they didn't throw a flag.

 

[Cyrus12]

When he changes his name to Rodgers Brady Mahomes....

 

[chris98251]

For being a baseball player he has one of the ugliest slides in the league, he does it late and he seems to dig in a cleat like he has a bag in front of him to pop up to instead of sliding on his hip and not grabbing turf like NFL slides are suppose to be like. I have seen him look like he grabbed to much with his cleat and end up limping more then once.

Secondly sliding late you have defenders already launching or in launch mode, harder to get late calls that way.

 

[AgentDib]

As jeremiah points out roughing the passer is a completely different penalty and is not a good proxy for this subject.

For being a baseball player he has one of the ugliest slides in the league, he does it late and he seems to dig in a cleat like he has a bag in front of him to pop up to instead of sliding on his hip and not grabbing turf like NFL slides are suppose to be like.

Yeah, Russ slides like he is sliding into a base and sometimes it looks very awkward when his cleats catch. Since he is a student of the game he should study guys like Vick who were masters at it.

 

[olyfan63]

I haven't felt that egregious roughing calls were ignored. Did Wilson get hit? Yes, Did he get big hits on slides? No. Based on what I saw, does what was called align with the rule as posted by SantaClaraHawk? Yes.

 

[kobebryant]

A penalty for roughing Russell Wilson is called at a rate of 0.20 times per game. For comparisons sake: Brady: 0.14; Brees: 0.16; Rodgers: 0.18; Roethlisberger: 0.14; Newton: 0.23

On the surface, accounting for style of play, Big Ben probably has the most valid gripe.

 

[themunn]

From here: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... rterbacks/

January 2, 2020 at 8:40 pm
To be more objective I found a web site that lists the number of times defenders have been called for roughing the passer after they hit a quarterback. Between 2009 and 2019, 28 defendeers have been given roughing the passer penalties after hitting Wilson. The numbers are similar for Drew Brees (29), Tom Brady (28), Aaron Rodgers (31), Cam Newton (30), Jay Culter (30) and Matt Ryan (39).

If we count the number of times defenders have been called for roughing after sacking quarterbacks, Wilson has been sacked 386 times. That translates into 1 roughing the passer penalty every 13.15 times Wilson was sacked. Aaron Rodgers have been sacked 445 times, and that translates into 1 roughing penalty called every 14.4 sacks. So, if anything, Wilson is more likely to get a roughing the passer penalty than Aaron Rodgers if he is sacked. Tom Brady has been sacked 334 times, so that translates into 1 roughing penalty every 11.9 times he was sacked, slightly higher than Wilson. Numbers do not lie. Wilson is not treated any differently by referees than other quarterbacks around the league.

Surely you have to do it by QB hit rather than sack - you are more likely to get a roughing the passer call if you get the ball away and THEN get hit, whereas if you are sacked it's usually going to be a clean hit.

If someone is getting hit more and getting less penalties, then it's more likely they are being treated differently.