What's Changed With The Run Game

[Bobblehead]

Has the run game changed? Really? I just thought the 9ers couldn't tackle.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

For people interested from the other perspective.

It's a combination of the Seattle taking advantage and how poor the 49ers' run defense is.

It's fascinating watching videos like this and seeing a pundit doing what WE often do - criticize our own team and give little credit to the other team for just generally being good. You have to admit the 49ers were shorthanded, but little plaudits are given to Seattle's defense for just being plain disruptive.

 

[Trackhawk]

Horton is done for the season

That’s not exactly what Mike Mac said.

He said they aren’t planning on Horton returning for the playoffs, but he didn’t close the door completely. He did suggest that even if he does make it back this season, he won’t be at 100% until next season.

It’s most likely he doesn’t come back this season, but not entirely ruled out.

 

[GemCity]

The 49ers started to crash the box as the run game started to hum along.

The biggest difference in the 49ers' game was a wrinkle that Kubiak and his staff threw in. I don't know if it started in the later in the 2nd half of the Panthers' game but it was all over the 49ers game.

Kubiak used Ouzts a little bit more creatively and he ran a lot of weak-side concepts. Both gap and zone. He would overload the strong-side (TE side) and run to the opposite side with Ouzts often leading the RB. He also would stack the TEs on the same side and run towards them at times.

But overall, the 49ers' game was the best blocking game of the season. Guys held their double teams really well and when asked to reach their landmarks, they flew down the field to do so. A lot of times Zach and Ken were not touched until 4-5 yards in.

This…we didn’t just all of the sudden get better in the run game…and the starters are the better players at their positions.

As much as I’ve slammed Kubiak, he mixed it up vs the 49ers. Outz Ezpress? All aboard…

Run defense performance is directly correlated with prediction. Who is shooting which gap…optimum offensive vs defensive formation.

Kubiak outclassed Saleh…

Still should’ve ran the damn ball on first and goal. Kubiak still gets ‘cute’ at times and it drives me nuts.

 

[glenwo2]

That’s not exactly what Mike Mac said.

He said they aren’t planning on Horton returning for the playoffs, but he didn’t close the door completely. He did suggest that even if he does make it back this season, he won’t be at 100% until next season.

It’s most likely he doesn’t come back this season, but not entirely ruled out.

"We got some clarification on Tory," Macdonald said. "The best way I can describe it is that what he has, it just takes a long time to heal. Put it this way, we're planning on not having him, and if something happens, which we're not counting on, and he's able to come back, then that's great. But right now, we're planning on not having him. He just needs time and rest. It's unfortunate, but these things happen. We're with him, he's doing a great job, we're just not going to have him right now.

"He should be able to have a full offseason. Who knows how things are going to shake out, how long we go and all that, but right now we're not planning on having him. But not a long-term concern."


If that isn't a roundabout way of saying "he's out for the year", I don't know what is.

That sounds a lot like he's saying "It would be great if by some miracle he gets better and we can use him but it's NOT looking possible so we're going to move on and have him heal and be ready for next season"


So @Glasgow Seahawk wasn't wrong in what he said.

Tory is OUT for the year.

 

[Trackhawk]

"Put it this way, we're planning on not having him, and if something happens, which we're not counting on, and he's able to come back, then that's great. “

If he was “OUT for the year,” Mike would have plainly said so. No qualifications or word games.

When Jonathan Hankins season was finally deemed to be over, Mike’s reply was blunt. At 12 min and 30 sec into his Nov 19 press conference, he responded to a question about Hankins with this reply.

Yeah, Hank won’t be back this year, no… He won’t be with us this year.

That’s a far cry from “we don’t plan for him to be back.”

It’s reasonable to say “in all likelihood, Horton’s season is over,” or “It sounds like Mike thinks he is done for the year,” but it is incorrect to claim that, per Mike’s press conference, Tory is “out for the year.”

They are planning that he won’t be back until next year, but leaving open the possibility that he will be.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Has the run game changed? Really? I just thought the 9ers couldn't tackle.

Look at the last 3 games, it absolutely has changed.

 

[glenwo2]

If he was “OUT for the year,” Mike would have plainly said so. No qualifications or word games.

When Jonathan Hankins season was finally deemed to be over, Mike’s reply was blunt. At 12 min and 30 sec into his Nov 19 press conference, he responded to a question about Hankins with this reply.



That’s a far cry from “we don’t plan for him to be back.”

It’s reasonable to say “in all likelihood, Horton’s season is over,” or “It sounds like Mike thinks he is done for the year,” but it is incorrect to claim that, per Mike’s press conference, Tory is “out for the year.”

They are planning that he won’t be back until next year, but leaving open the possibility that he will be.

Okay man. If you want to cling to the faint possibility of Tory magically being healthy to come back during the playoffs, that's your perogative.

I'll just say "Have a nice day" and move on.

 

[cymatica]

I defer to players like Mark Schlereth. It takes time and reps. This is a 1st year OC and OL coach installing a new scheme with several new starters on the Oline. They were close to having good runs early in the year but they just weren't timing everything up good enough. If the coaches adapted the scheme then bonus, but most of it looks like execution.

 

[HawkFreak]

Looks like RBs Coach Kennedy Polamalu and the Seahawks have officially parted ways after his leave of absence. (Reported on x.com by Aaron Wilson)

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Better blocking, K9 and Charbs not dancing around as much. And I think K9 is a LOT tougher than many make him out to be.
We have TWO good running backs. What a great strength to have in the playoffs. Control the TOP, play stingy defense, you win.

 

[HawkFreak]

Better blocking, K9 and Charbs not dancing around as much. And I think K9 is a LOT tougher than many make him out to be.
We have TWO good running backs. What a great strength to have in the playoffs. Control the TOP, play stingy defense, you win.

I wonder how much the weakness / improvement was related RBs coaching?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

This team def. adjusts better than they have in a long time, imo.

 

[ivotuk]

Bryan Walters said it's from repetitive running plays. Kind of like Marshawn said..."over, and over, and over, and over, ad infinitum"

All of those NFL leading number of running plays all year long, got the OLine to be able to block without even thinking about it.

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[NoGain]

I'm not sure why it got better. I tend to think it's mostly because of what the poster above said, they focused on it and kept working on it from every angle and it finally started gaining traction.

If we can run the ball effectively against the 9ers, huge advantage Hawks.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Better running game - more rested defense

YUUUUUUUGE.

 

[hox]

I wonder if Saleh will sell out to stop the run this time around. If so, that could open up some opportunities deep.

 

[keasley45]

Quite a few videos covering this and we got away from outside zone primarily and are mixing it up with inside zone , power and just about every other type of running scheme and lo n behold it's working , pretty darn well to so hopefully KK keeps it up

I was always skeptical as to whether pure zone blocking would work. D Jeremiah talked about it when Kubiak was signed - that he was surprised that MM chose a coordinator who ran an outsizone system - thinking he would prefer predominantly power based approach.

Glad they are going away from pure zone. Less thinking more attacking. Harder to confuse.

 

[HawkFreak]

So I resurrected this thread to update about the RBs coach no longer being with the team as of today after a leave of absence.

It appears (maybe coincidence?) that the run game began to improve during that leave of absence. I was just curious if anyone had heard anything more about why they parted ways and perhaps that change has had something to do with it.

I just don't honestly know how much of an impact the RBs coach could have on the run game apart from Kubiak. Like could he be coaching them in a way that didn't mesh with Kubiak's offense?

 

[glenwo2]

So I resurrected this thread to update about the RBs coach no longer being with the team as of today after a leave of absence.

It appears (maybe coincidence?) that the run game began to improve during that leave of absence. I was just curious if anyone had heard anything more about why they parted ways and perhaps that change has had something to do with it.

I just don't honestly know how much of an impact the RBs coach could have on the run game apart from Kubiak. Like could he be coaching them in a way that didn't mesh with Kubiak's offense?

I remember seeing somewhere that Palomalu (sp?) and the team have agreed to part ways, and it was an amicable breakup.

I don't know the true reason but considering how the RBs are doing now, it could be performance-based.