What Happens If They Dont Draft OL?

[pittpnthrs]

Would you see red if JS & Co. drafted a RB/FB before an IOL? It's been awhile since we've been able to run the ball even when the defense knew we were running.

Yeah I would. A RB isn't a need. The team has 3 capable RB's as is. If they drafted a RB, the writings on the wall for Walker.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I'm taking JS at his word; the OL coach and run game coordinator like who the Seahawks have on the roster already.

If this is the case, JS, the OL coach, and run game coordinator need to be shown the door because they are all delusional.

 

[BigMeach]

I don't know why we would lose it if we didn't take a guard with our first pick. You can find good guards all over the draft. If it were a tackle we needed, then yes I'd say be pretty irate if we didn't pick one up early. Guard... I'm not going to be super concerned if one isn't off the board when we pick in the first.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Pretty much this…

Field Gulls Article

New O-Coordinator. Can just fire Kubiak at the end and skate by with a just over .500 record.

Rinse…repeat.

Good find, my distaste for Gilbert notwithstanding. Mike Macdonald has expressed support for the guys we already have.

 

[Scout]

I don't know why we would lose it if we didn't take a guard with our first pick. You can find good guards all over the draft. If it were a tackle we needed, then yes I'd say be pretty irate if we didn't pick one up early. Guard... I'm not going to be super concerned if one isn't off the board when we pick in the first.

Yes you can find average starting caliber guards throughout the draft and undrafted free agents. But the goal should be to be better than medicore at guard if the plan is to RUN the ball and ride K9 in this new offense out of 2 TE sets.

A good example is Ben Johnson goes to the Bears and says I need to upgrade interior OL to RUN the ball. Jonah Jackson, Dalman and Thuney is their new interior OL. I would not be surprised if the Bears spend another draft pick on OL either.

Bears still have draft picks in round 1, 2 and 3 and they can do whatever they want at this point. Their secondary and LBs are set while they spent money upgrading their trenches on defense too not just the offensive line.

So the Bears can go BAP in the draft but it would not shock me to see them draft another OL in round 1, 2, or 3. But if they wait till the 5th round to draft an developmental guard that is okay because they have time to bring along an OL prospect to become NFL caliber.

 

[Kamcussionator]

This is just a terrible flawed way to make it seem like UDFA's are as likely to be, what we consider to be starters, as 1st rounders. And even by his own admission. Except he doesn't think it's flawed because of it, but it truely is.

He is right, starters are always getting hurt across the league. And who usually replaces those guys? Depth players. So he's looking at a guy like Michael Jerrell last season and saying he's as likely a starter as anyone drafted in the 1st round.

It's not flawed at all. There are 160 starting OL every week in the NFL. It's the largest sample size of any position group, so the percentages don't lie.

The stats show that 72% of starting linemen are not 1st rounders. For every Walter Jones and Charles Cross, there is a Germain Ifedi and a James Carpenter as well.
Assuming first round picks are going to be better than late-round pics is bias.

First round picks will get more chances than late-round picks because there is a greater commitment from the organization for them to succeed, but due to the technicality of OL play the guys with the best combine numbers aren't necessarily going to be the best OL.

Case in point: Jordan Mailata, PFF's top-ranked OL, was a 7th round pick.

 

[NoGain]

I get what you're saying but Mahomes in the Super Bowl, behind one of the better O lines in the league, looked like garbage under pressure. All QB's do, if not most, but even the "best" look pretty poor under pressure. I always hate when someone says Darnold or Smith were bad under pressure, it's like no shit? who doesn't?

Please don't put Mahomes and Darnold in the same paragragh.

 

[oldhawkfan]

Please don't put Mahomes and Darnold in the same paragragh.

You just did.

 

[Shane Falco]

It's not flawed at all. There are 160 starting OL every week in the NFL. It's the largest sample size of any position group, so the percentages don't lie.

The stats show that 72% of starting linemen are not 1st rounders. For every Walter Jones and Charles Cross, there is a Germain Ifedi and a James Carpenter as well.
Assuming first round picks are going to be better than late-round pics is bias.

First round picks will get more chances than late-round picks because there is a greater commitment from the organization for them to succeed, but due to the technicality of OL play the guys with the best combine numbers aren't necessarily going to be the best OL.

Case in point: Jordan Mailata, PFF's top-ranked OL, was a 7th round pick.

Nothing you said in this post has anything to do with the way he put that chart together or what I pointed out what was flawed about it.

 

[Dallashawksfan]

Then they have to find a fat guy from Walmart

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Nothing you said in this post has anything to do with the way he put that chart together or what I pointed out what was flawed about it.

Your point about injuries is not all that interesting. There really aren't enough injuries to account for that eye-opening a spread. Generally speaking, the best guys are playing more often than not.

That's why he described the skew as "slight".

 

[BigMeach]

Yes you can find average starting caliber guards throughout the draft and undrafted free agents. But the goal should be to be better than medicore at guard if the plan is to RUN the ball and ride K9 in this new offense out of 2 TE sets.

A good example is Ben Johnson goes to the Bears and says I need to upgrade interior OL to RUN the ball. Jonah Jackson, Dalman and Thuney is their new interior OL. I would not be surprised if the Bears spend another draft pick on OL either.

Bears still have draft picks in round 1, 2 and 3 and they can do whatever they want at this point. Their secondary and LBs are set while they spent money upgrading their trenches on defense too not just the offensive line.

So the Bears can go BAP in the draft but it would not shock me to see them draft another OL in round 1, 2, or 3. But if they wait till the 5th round to draft an developmental guard that is okay because they have time to bring along an OL prospect to become NFL caliber.

@rjdriver just posted another thread with all the IOL drafted (thanks to him for showing the numbers), I'd say it backs up what my thought process is:

If 18% of IOL starters are 1st rounders, but rounds 2-4 comprise 47% of them. I'd rather not risk our 1st rounder unless the guy is a massive shoo-in. I mean, can't miss prospect that is going to road grade for us for the next decade.

This is exactly why I wouldn't be upset over us using our 1st rounder on something else.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Please don't put Mahomes and Darnold in the same paragragh.

Why not? I didn’t compare the two in any way, shape or form. I would understand if I had, but I didn’t. Not even Sam, the competitor he is would compare the two outside of saying that’s how good he wants to be.

 

[NoGain]

Why not? I didn’t compare the two in any way, shape or form. I would understand if I had, but I didn’t. Not even Sam, the competitor he is would compare the two outside of saying that’s how good he wants to be.

I was just joking around...

 

[Natethegreat]

Those numbers don't account for how many guards were actually drafted in the first round verses rounds 2 and 3.
Generally guards are drafted far more frequently in rounds 2 through 4 than in the first.
It's easy to play games with numbers. A more accurate comparison would be seeing what percentage of guards taken in those rounds end up starting.
What percentage end up pro bowlers etc.
Guards are the one position in the NFL were they don't have to be the elite of the elite athletically to be competent or even good.
Which is why guards are not typically taken in the first round unless they REALLY stand out.

 

[Shane Falco]

Your point about injuries is not all that interesting. There really aren't enough injuries to account for that eye-opening a spread. Generally speaking, the best guys are playing more often than not.

That's why he described the skew as "slight".

Believe what you want to believe. If you think more guards came from UDFA's than in the 1st round over a 4 year period, then have at it. I don't find your posts particularly interesting either but rather agenda driven. So I guess we're even.

 

[NJlargent]

While our Guards are atrocious and need an upgrade, our tackles aren't exactly exciting either. Maybe take Simmons first round and a Guard in second.

 

[glenwo2]

Please don't put Mahomes and Darnold in the same paragragh.

 

[glenwo2]

Why not? I didn’t compare the two in any way, shape or form. I would understand if I had, but I didn’t. Not even Sam, the competitor he is would compare the two outside of saying that’s how good he wants to be.

He's either missing the entire point of what you were talking about or just flat-out refusing to acknowledge it.

It's looking as if he and Montana have their minds made up about Darnold even before he plays a single snap for us.

Better to just let them be and move on.

EDIT : OR he can claim he's joking, in which case I don't know what the fk some fans here are thinking around here. I need a drink...

 

[glenwo2]

I was just joking around...

oh... "ha ha" or something then?

Here's a cute confused puppy illustrating my confusion