Well...this should cause some "reaction"

[Ozzy]

Misread your post before I think.

But yeah, why in the world would I stop posting? I have been a Hawks fan since 1982. I will always be a Hawks fan. And even if I didn't like Darnold (not the case) if I could root for John Friesz and Dan McGuire as if they were our own Joe Montana, I can pull for Sam.

It's not the side that was defending Geno that is so anxious to hold find reason to hold one guy down while elevating another. Its the fair weather fans that come and go with a player or get all pissy when they don't like a certain guy.

I don't want to keep rehashing this but I'm going to pushback a little. A lot of the Geno truthers were the same guys saying Russ was terrible in Seattle, went bonkers telling us how bad the downgrade to Darnold was etc. Maybe not you but others did and yes there were/are obnoxious people on both sides of this or any debate for sure.

I think everyone still posting is a Seahawks fan first like you said and I tried to portray you that way with my original comment. You're still here, I'm still here post Russ and we are Seahawks fans first as it should be.

 

[keasley45]

I mean, Russ was good in Seattle at what he did until the game and father time caught up to him. Pointing out by statistical fact things like how he was and still is one of the worst QBs on 3rd down passing, horrible throwing over the middle and at throwing with anticipation are all simply true AND when his bag of tricks didn't work, the team suffered for it. It wasn't that he was terrible. It's that he wasn't a football god being held back by conspiring Pete ... 'if only we had a better offense... But Pete won't let us' and stifled until somebody skilled could work with him. Well you know what? That happened and like many said, he showed the world that he was never capable of running a typical offense. He left here and got a chance to work first with the guy who called plays for A Rodgers, then he got a chance to have his game plan drawn up by the guy who made Drew Brees. What he showed that he couldn't do was the same thing he couldn't do in Seattle. But anyone who took the stance that the problem was in no small part, him, got flamed.

AND, it just so happened that the guy who could replace him COULD do all of the things Russ couldn't and did them well, albeit never with a supporting cast remotely approaching what Russ had in his prime years or Sam has now.

So calling Russ out and being thankful we had a QB who could actually run an offense isn't a crime or sign that 'something is fishy'. From a football, xs and os perspective, the two positions aligning makes perfect sense. It's when player loyalties come into play and the inability to accept that things aren't always a binary proposition and there is grey area that things get twisted... That a player can be great and flawed (ironically the case with both Russ and Geno and frankly anyone else not in the top 5 at their position) is a simple reality. Just as it is possible to be critical of a player and still 'like' them. Or be skeptical of a player and be open to seeing what he actually does and do so unbiased and actually WANTING him to succeed.

What has plagued this place and the debate around those players is more THAT than anything.

As to Russ, I hope he can salvage his image and recovers personally if not professionally from the debacle his career has become. (Told ya so)

As to Geno, I hope he gets some help around him in Vegas and gives the Chiefs and Chargers a fight.

And as to Sam... He is our QB. I am pulling for him the same way I pulled for Russ and Geno. But I am squarely still in the 'wait and see' camp because the dude lit things up last year and then melted down when the competition stiffened -ironically, the exact flaw so many who criticized Geno for is being overlooked with Sam in the haste to call the trade a 'win'.

Time will tell.
Fingers crossed

 

[olyfan63]

As for me I did not support Geno and am glad he is gone. I am glad Darnold is doing well and support him BUT wasn't happy the team picked the middle road of marginally improving the position instead of going with either a rookie on a long cheap contract OR a proven long term replacement. So not "Super Bowl now" and not "Super Bowl later" but "Let's stay at 9-8 a couple more years."

I took the switch from Geno to Darnold as the best possible move the Seahawks had available under the circumstances. I don't see him as middle of the road marginal, bur more a great fit with what the team wanted to do. I was impressed with Sam throwing a game-winning TD for the Vikings last season to beat the Hawks in Lumen Field in a must-win game for the Hawks.

I also felt the team, MacDonald-Schneider in particular, believed that...

1) They were getting a major upgrade at OC to at least a competent NFL OC rather than Grubb's lack of competence** at the NFL level.
2) The Offensive Line would be improved due to
a) An OC better suited to use their talents
b) Drafting a quality OL rookie or two who would become a starter
c) Better, compatible OL coaching that would be compatible with the NFL-Level OC
d) Year-over-year improvement by existing OL players Cross, Lucas, Haynes, Bradford, Sundell, Olu, etc.
3) The Hawks defense would continue to be good, in NFL top 10, maybe top 5, so offense needed to be *complementary*, not necessarily Warner/Manning explosive.
4) There are enough good skill players on offense to help make a QBs life easier, Walker, Charbs, JSN, Kupp*, etc.
5) Given those factors, a QB who could mostly avoid turnovers, work well under center, and make a few timely plays each game would be a fit. Darnold was that guy.

Darnold has exceeded my expectations this season, and been a great fit with what the team's vision seems to be, as I laid out above. I don't see any other move that would have been as good. (Drafting Jaxson Dart, *maybe*) I'm not saying anyone should run out and buy Superb Owl tickets now, expecting the Hawks to be in it, but certainly winning the division and maybe even a divisional round playoff game seems to be within reach.


* Maybe Barner belongs on this list too; don't know. Rookies Arroyo, Horton, Outzs were good skill players acquired in the draft.
** Not intending to diss Grubb, who was great as UW college OC, and I'm sure is a great guy, but not so great as an NFL OC.

 

[Double Tribble]

Geno sucks. Darnold doesn't. It's not rocket science. The end.

 

[BGHawk]

The thing to me is that Kubiak (and MM, of course) have built a team that is not dependent on a superstar QB to win a lot of games. A "game manager" type works pretty good as long as the other parts of the team stay strong.

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Sam doesn't have to elite, but constant. The offense, defence, and special teams are equally important..I see this team coming together to be exactly that..

 

[pmedic920]

I find it funny that apparently I'm now John69 or whatever the fk that person is because I'm a big fan of Darnold's.

Another situation where not knowing the history puts you at a disadvantage.

Certainly not a big deal but some of us chuckle because you don’t get the joke.

Nothing to worry about until/unless they start comparing you to DonkoSpurt.

 

[pmedic920]

Players move teams…it happens. But, if you talk ‘ish about your old team (Seattle in our cases), I’m going to disown you and actually delegate a little bit of energy to ‘hatin.

I liked Geno when he was here. Even with his deficiencies. I loved his comeback story.

But, if you force yourself out or say things like ‘…it didn’t feel like the right fit’….any subliminal type jab at the Hawks, it’s open fire.

Guys such as Marshawn, Wagz, Tyler, etc…will always be welcome.

Russ? Geno? See-ya!

Being a fan of the Seattle Seahawks regardless of player, Coaches, ownership, I can fully support this stance.

 

[pmedic920]

The way Darnold is playing, I'm good not seeing Milroe for a while. I still wish they would use him for certain packages. His legs are a legit threat.

I believe Milroe will eventually be an impact player.
Hopefully our QB of the future.
Needs some refining but that’s happening IMO.
Personally I like the plan of drafting a potential QB and grooming him over time.
Been lots of examples where top tier QBs sat behind the starters of more than a couple seasons.

IMO the Seahawks are doing it correctly with Milroe.

Agreeing with you, not arguing against.

 

[pmedic920]

Ngl, you are correct on this point. I don't like him at all.

Which is why I put him on ignore so there won't be any further mention of his post-length or such nonsense. (I'm done with that)



Okay, fair enough.

For my part, I'm not much of a fan of very long posts.

I don't know....but I just find myself starting to read something lengthy and try to follow it through but after a bit, I get impatient and just skim to the end and move on. You know? It's a "me" thing, I guess.

In terms of this forum, I guess I prefer someone getting to the point instead of taking me on a verbal journey, if that makes any sense.

Are you saying that you’d rather someone just tell you “eat a dick”, than engage you in a conversation about why they don’t see things the way you do?
What about the slightly wordy post from someone that believes you are correct and explains exactly why they agree?

If so, that’s unfortunate because having those discussions is actually what a forum of this nature is all about.

The Seahawks and the “verbal journey” is actually the foundation that this community is built on.
This is a Seahawk fan forum, if we don’t engage in “verbal journey” what do we have?

 

[RiverDog]

I believe Milroe will eventually be an impact player.
Hopefully our QB of the future.
Needs some refining but that’s happening IMO.
Personally I like the plan of drafting a potential QB and grooming him over time.
Been lots of examples where top tier QBs sat behind the starters of more than a couple seasons.

IMO the Seahawks are doing it correctly with Milroe.

Agreeing with you, not arguing against.

I would like to see us start using Milroe on short yardage situations, something that's been a problem for our offense so far this season. It's been so bad that it apparently made Mac chicken out on a 4th and one vs. the Niners and kicking a FG rather than going for the first down like analytics dictates and nearly every other NFL coach follows.

 

[pmedic920]

I would like to see us start using Milroe on short yardage situations, something that's been a problem for our offense so far this season. It's been so bad that it apparently made Mac chicken out on a 4th and one vs. the Niners and kicking a FG rather than going for the first down like analytics dictates and nearly every other NFL coach follows.

Might not be a bad idea.
Experience matters however and there certainly is a risk involved with the scenario.

I’d be good with either way, playing him a bit more, or just allowing him to mature and grow with practice.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I like to post long essays… like this

 

[Sperrydogg]

You're making a random observation referring to the posts of someone you're actively disagreeing with. Seems like a pointed observation that assigns a negative connotation to post length, regardless of content.

And by "used to," I mean used to. It isn't a secret that this forum used to have significantly more examples of long-form posts with hours of analysis and thought going into them.

I, personally, still enjoy reading full posts of decent length so long as they aren't utter nonsense - even if I find the conclusions disagreeable. I'll attack an argument any day - but a crack about post length implying that its a bad thing? Can't get behind that.

I have to admit I am really lazy and often respond before I finish reading the first sentence of each paragraph

 

[Sperrydogg]

How about we let Pete decide this.

I can’t stop laughing at this… AI is hilarious

 

[Sperrydogg]

Ngl, you are correct on this point. I don't like him at all.

Which is why I put him on ignore so there won't be any further mention of his post-length or such nonsense. (I'm done with that)



Okay, fair enough.

For my part, I'm not much of a fan of very long posts.

I don't know....but I just find myself starting to read something lengthy and try to follow it through but after a bit, I get impatient and just skim to the end and move on. You know? It's a "me" thing, I guess.

In terms of this forum, I guess I prefer someone getting to the point instead of taking me on a verbal journey, if that makes any sense.

Unless they are damn funny

 

[Sperrydogg]

I don't want to keep rehashing this but I'm going to pushback a little. A lot of the Geno truthers were the same guys saying Russ was terrible in Seattle, went bonkers telling us how bad the downgrade to Darnold was etc. Maybe not you but others did and yes there were/are obnoxious people on both sides of this or any debate for sure.

I think everyone still posting is a Seahawks fan first like you said and I tried to portray you that way with my original comment. You're still here, I'm still here post Russ and we are Seahawks fans first as it should be.

 

[CouchLogic]

I find it funny that apparently I'm now John69 or whatever the fk that person is because I'm a big fan of Darnold's.

Wear it like a badge of honor. John was a diehard in his own way.

 

[nwHawk]

The important thing to take away from this is - this team has improved. Coaching, depth and QB.

I’m a big fan of Darnold. No qb is perfect, but he’s just starting to scratch the surface of his career. Future is Bright.

 

[Sperrydogg]

How about we let Pete decide this.

Hahahahahahahahaha I can’t get enough of. I even made my wife watch this and she has no patience for my shyt… after I explained she thought it was funny too!!!!

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Geno was a terrific quarterback right up until he wasn't. He was great at diagnosing coverages, made dime throws, extended plays, and took us to double-digit wins with a horrible supporting cast. That was clear to anyone who knows how to interpret tape.

His downfall was the same as a lot of other QB's, greed. It wasn't his ability, it was his temperament. Too often, he'd be too desperate to make something happen and would toss balls into situations he knew weren't viable rather than take a sack or a two-yard gain on a scramble. A form of screw-it magical thinking that is the difference between good QB's and bad ones more than most people realize. Thus, the frustrating interceptions that people remember more than his successes here.

It could have been better without DK breaking off his routes, a CFL quality O-line, and Grubb putting some boneheaded concepts out onto the field. But by that time, it was time for Geno's extension, and even despite his relatively untarnished physical gifts at his age, this team wouldn't have been smart financially to leap for it. It was the same problem as 2011 Hasselbeck: we would have been paying out the nose to get what, maybe one Super Bowl out of him? Nah. Gotta move on. The timing just didn't work.

Now Geno is with Pete, who is as intentional and skilled an offensive coach as I am a horoscope guru. End of story.

Darnold is executing the offense well and doing the same thing he did in Minnesota, playing within himself and occasionally pulling things that tug skeptics' eyebrows upwards (just like Geno did). I love his 70% comp rate. But he hasn't faced any teams of real note, either.

Pittsburgh? No. 28 in yards allowed despite being #2 in sacks.

New Orleans? Bahahahahaha

Arizona? Pretty solid in defense, but their offense didn't exactly force Darnold to play out of his mind.

And the one actual playoff-caliber team that Darnold's faced, held him to 150 yards and a QB rating of 87.2.

This Bucs game will be the best test Darnold has faced in three weeks, with one of the league's top third down defenses, although CB Benjamin Morrison being out may negate that.