We got Jadeveon Clowney !!!

[Sgt. Largent]

No actually I'm not!!

Absolute worse case scenario would be more like he comes in and brings a deadly virus with him and kills the entire team off. So no....wrong again!!
I can think of thousands more that are worse as well....so the answer would always be NO. :141847_bnono:

Just the fact that you're being sarcastic means you know you're being negative if you think there are concerns or negatives to this trade.

In most trades it's usually around 50/50 where there's pause for concerns as to what you gave up in return for what you got.

This is a 100% trade. You make this trade 100 out of 100 times. Period.

 

[Fade]

So Seymour, would you prefer to have the Seahawks take the trade back if they could?

You would rather have Jacob Martin & a 3rd rd pick?

I am just trying to find the baseline here of where you're at on this.

 

[Seymour]

So Seymour, would you prefer to have the Seahawks take the trade back if they could?

You would rather have Jacob Martin & a 3rd rd pick?

I am just trying to find the baseline here of where you're at on this.

No I would not take it back. If you bought a car that you believed was a good deal and you knew the tires needed to be replaced would you take it back? No, because you knew that already, but still may dislike spending the $1000.00 and lost time to replace them.

Here is the baseline. Draft picks are our key to lowering that cap. Trade them and lose your shot at a great player for CHEAP. Now trade them for a top 5 DE and cap damage is even more effected. Yes...tons of cap next year but also 12 spots to fill which NO DOUBT will include FA moves and a chance to lose more comp picks. So I refuse to say we "get" a 3rd when recent history tells us the exact opposite.

Also. We signed all these top contracts in the past and it choked the team out. Rather than spend $22M for a top DE I'd much rather spend $12M or so for a say top 10-15 DE and not choke the team out if possible.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Also. We signed all these top contracts in the past and it choked the team out. Rather than spend $22M for a top DE I'd much rather spend $12M or so for a say top 10-15 DE and not choke the team out if possible.

That's exactly what we just did, got a top 10-15 DE for 15M a year (actually 7.5M), and what you just pointed out is why we didn't give Clark 22M.

So be happy damn it!

 

[Seymour]

Also. We signed all these top contracts in the past and it choked the team out. Rather than spend $22M for a top DE I'd much rather spend $12M or so for a say top 10-15 DE and not choke the team out if possible.

That's exactly what we just did, got a top 10-15 DE for 15M a year (actually 7.5M), and what you just pointed out is why we didn't give Clark 22M.

So be happy damn it!

What do you think changed my mind?? The fact they (Texicans) kicked in $7M did change my mind and I said for the 100th time OVERALL I am happy and this is a good deal! I will ague all day that it still has risks though.

 

[Maulbert]

Also. We signed all these top contracts in the past and it choked the team out. Rather than spend $22M for a top DE I'd much rather spend $12M or so for a say top 10-15 DE and not choke the team out if possible.

That's exactly what we just did, got a top 10-15 DE for 15M a year, and what you just pointed out is why we didn't give Clark 22M.

So be happy damn it!

It's ridiculous. Every deal carries a little risk, but if someone is even mildly worried about the risk involved in this deal, it's impossible to like ANY deal. This is so low risk and high reward, only one scenario in upwards of 100 could truly be bad, and even then, it's only a 3rd round pick in a year that we have 3 picks in the top 60. I more than trust JS to recoup that value. If you can't let go and celebrate this deal, what's the point of being a fan?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I will ague all day that it still has risks though.

There is no deal with zero risk. It's football, it's all risk.

It's what Schneider has been great at, finding value vs risk. Ansah may not work out, but his upside and potential for regaining his Pro Bowl form is high.

Same with Clowney, 8M vs what we gave up is worth it. All day, err day.

 

[GeekHawk]

<blah blah>

So be happy damn it!

He can't.

 

[rcaido]

He just wants to be that guy who says told you so or loves the attention...Just like all the Wilson haters.

How anyone can even have any reservation from this trade is beyond me.

 

[Fade]

So Seymour, would you prefer to have the Seahawks take the trade back if they could?

You would rather have Jacob Martin & a 3rd rd pick?

I am just trying to find the baseline here of where you're at on this.

No I would not take it back. If you bought a car that you believed was a good deal and you knew the tires needed to be replaced would you take it back? No, because you knew that already, but still may dislike spending the $1000.00 and lost time to replace them.

Here is the baseline. Draft picks are our key to lowering that cap. Trade them and lose your shot at a great player for CHEAP. Now trade them for a top 5 DE and cap damage is even more effected. Yes...tons of cap next year but also 12 spots to fill which NO DOUBT will include FA moves and a chance to lose more comp picks. So I refuse to say we "get" a 3rd when recent history tells us the exact opposite.

Also. We signed all these top contracts in the past and it choked the team out. Rather than spend $22M for a top DE I'd much rather spend $12M or so for a say top 10-15 DE and not choke the team out if possible.

How did the Seahawks sign guys like Al Wilson, Ziggy, Iupati, a Pro Bowl Kicker, and yet in still have 4 comp picks coming their way in 2020? As evidenced by this off-season you can do both. (Sign UFAs & add Comp Picks.)

But good to know you're poo-pooing a trade you wouldn't take back. 8)

Did you hate the Duane Brown trade too?

 

[Seymour]

So Seymour, would you prefer to have the Seahawks take the trade back if they could?

You would rather have Jacob Martin & a 3rd rd pick?

I am just trying to find the baseline here of where you're at on this.

No I would not take it back. If you bought a car that you believed was a good deal and you knew the tires needed to be replaced would you take it back? No, because you knew that already, but still may dislike spending the $1000.00 and lost time to replace them.

Here is the baseline. Draft picks are our key to lowering that cap. Trade them and lose your shot at a great player for CHEAP. Now trade them for a top 5 DE and cap damage is even more effected. Yes...tons of cap next year but also 12 spots to fill which NO DOUBT will include FA moves and a chance to lose more comp picks. So I refuse to say we "get" a 3rd when recent history tells us the exact opposite.

Also. We signed all these top contracts in the past and it choked the team out. Rather than spend $22M for a top DE I'd much rather spend $12M or so for a say top 10-15 DE and not choke the team out if possible.

How did the Seahawks sign guys like Al Wilson, Ziggy, Iupati, a Pro Bowl Kicker, and yet in still have 4 comp picks coming their way in 2020? As evidenced by this off-season you can do both. (Sign UFAs & add Comp Picks.)

But good to know you're poo-pooing a trade you wouldn't take back. 8)

Did you hate the Duane Brown trade too?

Too? So you as well are twisting my words that I like this deal to I hate it? I thought better of you.

Hell no I liked the Brown trade because that was a position that was getting our QB destroyed and hurting that necessary investment. The Fable madness had gone on long enough and no better answer was near. Plus they were able to sign him long term prior unlike Clowney.

Im am for making deals and trading picks if you believe you are a player away or protecting an investment like Wilson. I still do not believe we are 1 players away (were) from a SB, but we may not be far off from that so I'd love to be wrong there.

 

[rcaido]

So Seymour, would you prefer to have the Seahawks take the trade back if they could?

You would rather have Jacob Martin & a 3rd rd pick?

I am just trying to find the baseline here of where you're at on this.

No I would not take it back. If you bought a car that you believed was a good deal and you knew the tires needed to be replaced would you take it back? No, because you knew that already, but still may dislike spending the $1000.00 and lost time to replace them.

Here is the baseline. Draft picks are our key to lowering that cap. Trade them and lose your shot at a great player for CHEAP. Now trade them for a top 5 DE and cap damage is even more effected. Yes...tons of cap next year but also 12 spots to fill which NO DOUBT will include FA moves and a chance to lose more comp picks. So I refuse to say we "get" a 3rd when recent history tells us the exact opposite.

Also. We signed all these top contracts in the past and it choked the team out. Rather than spend $22M for a top DE I'd much rather spend $12M or so for a say top 10-15 DE and not choke the team out if possible.

How did the Seahawks sign guys like Al Wilson, Ziggy, Iupati, a Pro Bowl Kicker, and yet in still have 4 comp picks coming their way in 2020? As evidenced by this off-season you can do both. (Sign UFAs & add Comp Picks.)

But good to know you're poo-pooing a trade you wouldn't take back. 8)

Did you hate the Duane Brown trade too?

Hell no I liked the Brown trade because that was a position that was getting our QB destroyed and hurting that necessary investment. The Fable madness had gone on long enough and no better answer was near. Plus they were able to sign him long term prior unlike Clowney.

Im am for making deals and trading picks if you believe you are a player away or protecting an investment like Wilson. I still do not believe we are 1 players away (were) from a SB, but we may not be far off from that so I'd love to be wrong there.

Didn't we do the extension last year for Brown?

 

[jammerhawk]

Regarding Seymour . . . And I cant believe I am defending him.

He had an opinion. It was as valid an opinion as anyone elses.

New information came to light, and he altered his opinion. That's actually a rare trait these days, and should be applauded.

However, that new information does not negate his prior concerns, which are valid concerns.

Also, it is possible to like a move, and still have reservations. It's called having a nuanced opinion.

The world is rarely as binary as we make it out to be. There are lots of gray areas. Nothing wrong with admitting and discussing the reality that nothing is ever entirely good or bad.

This above is a very correct statement of Seymour's position(s). Opinions are allowed to change. I applaud his alteration which was good for him to have made.

We spend far too much time peeing on someone's shoes around here, and less actually trying to understand what the reasons are for the opinions or what the actual opinion truly is.

For me this (Clowney's Acquisition) was a great deal for the team

 

[Seymour]

Didn't we do the extension last year for Brown?

Yes we actually did. My statement was inaccurate. It should have said we were able to negotiate what Brown wanted going in and cannot with Clowney.

 

[rcaido]

Didn't we do the extension last year for Brown?

Yes we actually did. My statement was inaccurate. It should have said we were able to negotiate what Brown wanted going in and cannot with Clowney.

So you love the trade of Brown? 32 year old who held out almost half a season, was injury prone the past 2 seasons with one year on his contract. We also had to give up 2nd round pick which we were already truly lacking in picks. Yet you have reservations and concerns of Clowney who is 26 year old not yet in his prime. Plus we get him the whole season and Texans putting up half the bill for a 3rd & Martin...I dont get it.

I love both trades. Even if we have Clowney for just one season.

 

[Seymour]

Didn't we do the extension last year for Brown?

Yes we actually did. My statement was inaccurate. It should have said we were able to negotiate what Brown wanted going in and cannot with Clowney.

So you love the trade of Brown? 32 year old who held out almost half a season, was injury prone the past 2 seasons with one year on his contract. We also had to give up 2nd round pick which we were already truly lacking in picks. Yet you have reservations and concerns of Clowney who is 26 year old not yet in his prime. Plus we get him the whole season and Texans putting up half the bill for a 3rd & Martin...I dont get it.

I love both trades. Even if we have Clowney for just one season.

Not what I said!

I said I liked it, not "loved it".

I said I like this trade after finding out all the details, not hate it.

This wheelspin is so useless. And a very good lesson that people read what they prefer to see to bait their attack, and not what you actually said.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

This wheelspin is so useless. And a very good lesson that people read what they prefer to see to bait their attack, and not what you actually said.

I think it has more to do with you just saying you like the trade but still have "concerns," but not really giving us any concerns of substance or merit worth being concerned over.

 

[Fade]

This wheelspin is so useless. And a very good lesson that people read what they prefer to see to bait their attack, and not what you actually said.

I think it has more to do with you just saying you like the trade but still have "concerns," but not really giving us any concerns of substance or merit worth being concerned over.

You see if the Seahawks let Clowney walk, and they sign a big money player to replace him, they will Lose a 3RD RD COMP PICK!!!!!

And this team will only have 10 picks, and $75M+ to build their team next year, JS needs to stop being so reckless, he hasn't learned from the Sheldon Richardson trade at all!!! .... Oh, but I liked it when he did it with Duane Brown.

Lllolol .

 

[Sgt. Largent]

This wheelspin is so useless. And a very good lesson that people read what they prefer to see to bait their attack, and not what you actually said.

I think it has more to do with you just saying you like the trade but still have "concerns," but not really giving us any concerns of substance or merit worth being concerned over.

You see if the Seahawks let Clowney walk, and they sign a big money player to replace him, they will Lose a 3RD RD COMP PICK!!!!!

And this team will only have 10 picks, and $75M+ to build their team next year, JS needs to stop being so reckless, he hasn't learned from the Sheldon Richardson trade at all!!! .... Oh, but I liked it when he did it with Duane Brown.

Lllolol .

Don't forget HAVING Clowney for a year balling out and destroying on our D-line and hopefully helping us make a deep playoff run.

I honestly could not think of a better situation, we get a top 10-15 D-lineman in his prime and HIGHLY motivated to stay healthy and get paid next year, who just like Brown will absolutely love playing here for Pete and the Hawks.

For two non-starters and a 3rd rounder that Schneider will get back even if we don't get a comp pick, of which we probably will.

I can't wait until Sunday!

 

[Mad Dog]

The trade is great if all we get is a motivated Clowney for one year. The trade is even more awesome if it leverages us into a deep playoff run. The trade is godly if we get a motivated Clowney that fits perfectly in our system and will sign with a market average deal.

The trade is only merely decent if Clowney gets injured and bolts after the season and we sign a high priced FA replacement so no comp pick. But that scenario isn't any more likely than Clowney commandeering us to a deep playoff run.