We got Jadeveon Clowney !!!

[Maulbert]

Oh, lordy, Buttchin doesn't think he was fleeced!

https://texanswire.usatoday.com/201...s-fair-value-jadeveon-clowney-seahawks-trade/

 

[chris98251]

Oh, lordy, Buttchin doesn't think he was fleeced!

https://texanswire.usatoday.com/201...s-fair-value-jadeveon-clowney-seahawks-trade/

Well he and his room of guys were shaved twice in the same day, once by us and once by the Dolphins.

 

[IndyHawk]

True it does help with not allowing a O lineman get into you, but all those players you mentioned had a freakish strength as well allowing them to rag doll toss a lot of O lineman that over reached and were off balance. I am not sure he has that level of strength but his quickness may help there.

Watch his highlight reels. His big plays. His penetration is almost entirely accomplished by using his long reach for leverage. He plays high, but doesn't allow offensive linemen to get to his body. As I said, it is very, very rare that a defensive player can routinely play that high and win the leverage battle. Then take a look at Pete Carrol's last interview video about Clowney. He basically says the same thing. That Clowney does things that very few others can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TLjTn2AoM8

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... nant-plays

You just argue one thing, I said he doesn't have the strength a Taylor, Peppers, or White had to make him in that category, did not deny that his long arms help him.



You can't say Clowney is a Reggie White without him having Reggie Whites numbers and production, I am saying that he could get there but he needs more weight and strength and maintain production or actually needs more to be in their category.


Seeing his tweets he wants to add weight and more strength now that he knows he is going to be a DE he wants to add both so we shall see. Next year most likely since he is light right now and adding weight and strength while trying to paly is very difficult.

just as long as he doesn't sacrifice quickness and speed to gain weight and strength..isn't he plenty strong enough?

JC reminds me more of Peppers than anyone by far.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

What a killer deal by JS. Giving up a 3rd that they will get back as a comp, and throwing in a guy who likely doesn't make the team and a back up D Lineman. And on top of that, Houston paying has salary? Dayum, fleeced.

 

[Seymour]

Regarding Seymour . . . And I cant believe I am defending him.

He had an opinion. It was as valid an opinion as anyone elses.

New information came to light, and he altered his opinion. That's actually a rare trait these days, and should be applauded.

However, that new information does not negate his prior concerns, which are valid concerns.

Also, it is possible to like a move, and still have reservations. It's called having a nuanced opinion.

The world is rarely as binary as we make it out to be. There are lots of gray areas. Nothing wrong with admitting and discussing the reality that nothing is ever entirely good or bad.

Thank you for pointing out the difference between "concerns" and "a bad deal or trade". Yes folks...it is possible to have concerns and still believe this is a good team deal. Others likely have them as well but fear of the pitch fork mob likely prevent them from saying so. Me. I don't care, I say what I feel and deal with the consequences.

 

[pehawk]

The world is rarely as binary as we make it out to be. There are lots of gray areas. Nothing wrong with admitting and discussing the reality that nothing is ever entirely good or bad.

McGruff is leaving us hints about his/her life change. Good for you, man. The lord and I love you regardless. Gender is a construct.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Regarding Seymour . . . And I cant believe I am defending him.

He had an opinion. It was as valid an opinion as anyone elses.

New information came to light, and he altered his opinion. That's actually a rare trait these days, and should be applauded.

However, that new information does not negate his prior concerns, which are valid concerns.

Also, it is possible to like a move, and still have reservations. It's called having a nuanced opinion.

The world is rarely as binary as we make it out to be. There are lots of gray areas. Nothing wrong with admitting and discussing the reality that nothing is ever entirely good or bad.

Thank you for pointing out the difference between "concerns" and "a bad deal or trade". Yes folks...it is possible to have concerns and still believe this is a good team deal. Others likely have them as well but fear of the pitch fork mob likely prevent them from saying so. Me. I don't care, I say what I feel and deal with the consequences.

What is your concern over giving up a guy we were going to cut anyway, a guy that was too small to play D-line in our 4-3 scheme and a 3rd round pick, of which we'll get back in a comp pick if Clowney leaves next year..............AND Houston paying 7M of Clowney's salary this year?

There are no concerns. Clowney could be a bust, get hurt or not do a damn thing, and this is still a great deal. We didn't give up any key players, didn't over-extent our cap and the draft pick we gave up will come back us should he walk.

This was a highway robbery on Schneiders part, with only upside.

 

[pmedic920]

The thing I find most important and impressive is....

He wanted to come to Seattle.
It wasn’t something he was forced into.
This is huge in terms of his attitude coming in.

If you haven’t seen his press conference, it’s well worth the few minutes.

The scuttlebutt in Houston is so much fun.
Brings a whole new dimension too wearing “Hawk” gear around these parts.

 

[Uncle Si]

Regarding Seymour . . . And I cant believe I am defending him.

He had an opinion. It was as valid an opinion as anyone elses.

New information came to light, and he altered his opinion. That's actually a rare trait these days, and should be applauded.

However, that new information does not negate his prior concerns, which are valid concerns.

Also, it is possible to like a move, and still have reservations. It's called having a nuanced opinion.

The world is rarely as binary as we make it out to be. There are lots of gray areas. Nothing wrong with admitting and discussing the reality that nothing is ever entirely good or bad.

Thank you for pointing out the difference between "concerns" and "a bad deal or trade". Yes folks...it is possible to have concerns and still believe this is a good team deal. Others likely have them as well but fear of the pitch fork mob likely prevent them from saying so. Me. I don't care, I say what I feel and deal with the consequences.

What is your concern over giving up a guy we were going to cut anyway, a guy that was too small to play D-line in our 4-3 scheme and a 3rd round pick, of which we'll get back in a comp pick if Clowney leaves next year..............AND Houston paying 7M of Clowney's salary this year?

There are no concerns. Clowney could be a bust, get hurt or not do a damn thing, and this is still a great deal. We didn't give up any key players, didn't over-extent our cap and the draft pick we gave up will come back us should he walk.

This was a highway robbery on Schneiders part, with only upside.

You have to read the fine print...."he likes the deal"

 

[McGruff]

Regarding Seymour . . . And I cant believe I am defending him.

He had an opinion. It was as valid an opinion as anyone elses.

New information came to light, and he altered his opinion. That's actually a rare trait these days, and should be applauded.

However, that new information does not negate his prior concerns, which are valid concerns.

Also, it is possible to like a move, and still have reservations. It's called having a nuanced opinion.

The world is rarely as binary as we make it out to be. There are lots of gray areas. Nothing wrong with admitting and discussing the reality that nothing is ever entirely good or bad.

Thank you for pointing out the difference between "concerns" and "a bad deal or trade". Yes folks...it is possible to have concerns and still believe this is a good team deal. Others likely have them as well but fear of the pitch fork mob likely prevent them from saying so. Me. I don't care, I say what I feel and deal with the consequences.

What is your concern over giving up a guy we were going to cut anyway, a guy that was too small to play D-line in our 4-3 scheme and a 3rd round pick, of which we'll get back in a comp pick if Clowney leaves next year..............AND Houston paying 7M of Clowney's salary this year?

There are no concerns. Clowney could be a bust, get hurt or not do a damn thing, and this is still a great deal. We didn't give up any key players, didn't over-extent our cap and the draft pick we gave up will come back us should he walk.

This was a highway robbery on Schneiders part, with only upside.

Let me take a crack at it.

1. Injury concerns. Those are largely in the past, but tight muscle dudes with a injury history are a concern.

2. Effort issues. Even Pete admitted hes seen it.

3. Future contract cost. If we want to keep him, we risk losing other young players.

4. Future comp pick is not guaranteed. See 2018 free agent class.

5. Team chemistry. Trading a home grown guy (Clark) for an outside guy (Clowney) communicates something to other players.

 

[McGruff]

All of these concerns are lessened by the fact that we gave up comparatively little to get him.

But that doesnt make them go away.

Nor does it make them unworthy of discussion.

FTR, I personally have arguments against each of them, but even some of those arguments open up other concerns.

 

[pmedic920]

Texans suck. Nice trade for the Hawks.

Nice trade, yes.
I disagree on the other.

Texans are only a piece or two from being a force INHO. Losing JC is definitely a step backwards for them but depending on what they ultimately do with his money, it may end up being a good thing.

 

[Seymour]

Regarding Seymour . . . And I cant believe I am defending him.

He had an opinion. It was as valid an opinion as anyone elses.

New information came to light, and he altered his opinion. That's actually a rare trait these days, and should be applauded.

However, that new information does not negate his prior concerns, which are valid concerns.

Also, it is possible to like a move, and still have reservations. It's called having a nuanced opinion.

The world is rarely as binary as we make it out to be. There are lots of gray areas. Nothing wrong with admitting and discussing the reality that nothing is ever entirely good or bad.

Thank you for pointing out the difference between "concerns" and "a bad deal or trade". Yes folks...it is possible to have concerns and still believe this is a good team deal. Others likely have them as well but fear of the pitch fork mob likely prevent them from saying so. Me. I don't care, I say what I feel and deal with the consequences.

What is your concern over giving up a guy we were going to cut anyway, a guy that was too small to play D-line in our 4-3 scheme and a 3rd round pick, of which we'll get back in a comp pick if Clowney leaves next year..............AND Houston paying 7M of Clowney's salary this year?

There are no concerns. Clowney could be a bust, get hurt or not do a damn thing, and this is still a great deal. We didn't give up any key players, didn't over-extent our cap and the draft pick we gave up will come back us should he walk.

This was a highway robbery on Schneiders part, with only upside.

What you state as fact is indeed NOT a fact, and our most recent history should remind you of this!! :177692:

Read up more....I'm tired of going over the same material.

 

[Chawker]

Its kinda like owning a jeep, with the new Bronco ready to hit the market. LMAO!

 

[Sgt. Largent]

What you state as fact is indeed NOT a fact, and our most recent history should remind you of this!! :177692:

Read up more....I'm tired of going over the same material.

Obviously comp picks are a fluid thing, but that's the slotted comp pick should Clowney walk in 2020.........so that's all we have to go on.

Sorry, but even if we don't get back a comp pick, it's still a fantastic trade with no downsides (or "concerns").

Every trade, every transaction, every draft pick, literally EVERYTHING in the NFL is an unknown. To be even the slightest bit negative over this fleecing JS just put over on the Texans for one of the best all around DE's in the game in his prime should be nothing but celebrated at this point in time.

The only concern we should have with Clowney is how much to limit him the first 2-3 weeks as he gets himself into game shape to wreck some fools.

 

[pmedic920]

Its kinda like owning a jeep, with the new Bronco ready to hit the market. LMAO!

Oh yea, how so?
Can you elaborate?

“Cheers”

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Meh, get stoked and let's roll! This front 7 is gonna' be damn good.

 

[Seymour]

What you state as fact is indeed NOT a fact, and our most recent history should remind you of this!! :177692:

Read up more....I'm tired of going over the same material.

Obviously comp picks are a fluid thing, but that's the slotted comp pick should Clowney walk in 2020.........so that's all we have to go on.

Sorry, but even if we don't get back a comp pick, it's still a fantastic trade with no downsides (or "concerns").

Every trade, every transaction, every draft pick, literally EVERYTHING in the NFL is an unknown. To be even the slightest bit negative over this fleecing JS just put over on the Texans for one of the best all around DE's in the game in his prime should be nothing but celebrated at this point in time.

The only concern we should have with Clowney is how much to limit him the first 2-3 weeks as he gets himself into game shape to wreck some fools.

That is right where you and I run into problems. Your statement makes zero sense to me because losing a 3rd round pick is absolutely a downside to me and means absolutely nothing to you.

It does have value....and it would be a loss no matter how you try to spin it.

If you are saying his play for the year is enough for you then fine. But fact is, he hasn't played the year yet either so downside still remains possible.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

What you state as fact is indeed NOT a fact, and our most recent history should remind you of this!! :177692:

Read up more....I'm tired of going over the same material.

Obviously comp picks are a fluid thing, but that's the slotted comp pick should Clowney walk in 2020.........so that's all we have to go on.

Sorry, but even if we don't get back a comp pick, it's still a fantastic trade with no downsides (or "concerns").

Every trade, every transaction, every draft pick, literally EVERYTHING in the NFL is an unknown. To be even the slightest bit negative over this fleecing JS just put over on the Texans for one of the best all around DE's in the game in his prime should be nothing but celebrated at this point in time.

The only concern we should have with Clowney is how much to limit him the first 2-3 weeks as he gets himself into game shape to wreck some fools.

That is right where you and I run into problems. Your statement makes zero sense to me because losing a 3rd round pick is absolutely a downside to me and means absolutely nothing to you.

It does have value....and it would be a loss no matter how you try to spin it.

If you are saying his play for the year is enough for you then fine. But fact is, he hasn't played the year yet either so downside still remains possible.

So you're worried about the ABSOLUTE worst case scenario............that Clowney blows his knee out on the first snap, and we somehow mess up our free agent signings next off season to NOT get the 3rd round comp pick should he walk?

That's your big "concern." That's it, from a GM that just turned 4 draft picks this past off season into 11, and has been doing this his entire time in Seattle.

I get it, you're kinda a glass half empty kind of fan. I'm that way sometimes, but THIS is not the time to be negative, not even in the slightest. If we would have had to give up a starting O-lineman, or a 1st or 2nd round pick, or multiple picks? Then that's more pause for concerns on a one year rental player.

But none of that happened. We got rid of non-vital players and a 3rd rounder, AND got Houston to pay half of Clowney's salary. This is one of the most lopsided trades in franchise history with zero downside.

 

[Seymour]

What you state as fact is indeed NOT a fact, and our most recent history should remind you of this!! :177692:

Read up more....I'm tired of going over the same material.

Obviously comp picks are a fluid thing, but that's the slotted comp pick should Clowney walk in 2020.........so that's all we have to go on.

Sorry, but even if we don't get back a comp pick, it's still a fantastic trade with no downsides (or "concerns").

Every trade, every transaction, every draft pick, literally EVERYTHING in the NFL is an unknown. To be even the slightest bit negative over this fleecing JS just put over on the Texans for one of the best all around DE's in the game in his prime should be nothing but celebrated at this point in time.

The only concern we should have with Clowney is how much to limit him the first 2-3 weeks as he gets himself into game shape to wreck some fools.

That is right where you and I run into problems. Your statement makes zero sense to me because losing a 3rd round pick is absolutely a downside to me and means absolutely nothing to you.

It does have value....and it would be a loss no matter how you try to spin it.

If you are saying his play for the year is enough for you then fine. But fact is, he hasn't played the year yet either so downside still remains possible.

So you're worried about the ABSOLUTE worst case scenario............that Clowney blows his knee out on the first snap, and we somehow mess up our free agent signings next off season to NOT get the 3rd round comp pick should he walk?

That's your big "concern." That's it, from a GM that just turned 4 draft picks this past off season into 11, and has been doing this his entire time in Seattle.

I get it, you're kinda a glass half empty kind of fan. I'm that way sometimes, but THIS is not the time to be negative, not even in the slightest. If we would have had to give up a starting O-lineman, or a 1st or 2nd round pick, or multiple picks? Then that's more pause for concerns on a one year rental player.

But none of that happened. We got rid of non-vital players and a 3rd rounder, AND got Houston to pay half of Clowney's salary. This is one of the most lopsided trades in franchise history with zero downside.

No actually I'm not!!

Absolute worse case scenario would be more like he comes in and brings a deadly virus with him and kills the entire team off. So no....wrong again!!
I can think of thousands more that are worse as well....so the answer would always be NO. :141847_bnono: