Until JS actually builds an OL…

[SeaWolv]

JS is incapable of building an average o line, let alone an elite one. This guy has got to be the most overrated GM in football.

I'm starting to think this may be true. Now that he no longer has the PC veto hanging over his decisions I was willing to give him an off season or two to see if he was the problem or not. So far the jury is still out but it's leaning towards him being the issue. If we don't see significant improvement on both the OLine and the pass rush this offseason then I think it's time for JS to go.

 

[pittpnthrs]

We were drafting earlier than the Chiefs and arent even in the Bills' conference. I haven't heard any details aside from somebody "wanting to".

I could very well be wrong, but I thought Pete put the kabosh on any QB talk or dealings at the time. Again, I can't back that up at the moment. I would have to do some homework.

 

[hawker84]

JS is incapable of building an average o line, let alone an elite one. This guy has got to be the most overrated GM in football.

How do we know that was JS and not PC decisions? This year we drafted and traded for actual needs, not skill players that we didnt need like the pete carroll years.

 

[hawker84]

We weren’t getting Stroud. Get over it.

Lol, stroud would look just like Geno and Howell do behind this line, don't fool yourself.

 

[SeaWolv]

Howell and Lock were always backup material and thats what they were aquired for. Not sure JS had the OK to try and fill the QBotF void while Pete was here, but he's going to get his chance soon so we'll see if he can capitalize on it.

Kinda feel like his chance for QBotF was last draft. Could've moved up to get McCarthy or Nix. The 2025 draft has fewer viable options. Not sure how they get Shedeur or Ward finishing 9-8 or 10-7 (pick 19?), so then they have to trade up, find a diamond in the rough or get someone via trade.

 

[NoGain]

JS has failed in the draft on OLmen. Over and over again. I believe only one OLman has been signed to a second contract during his tenure, Justin Britt. Then to make matters worse, they hardly ever go after true quality, but rather are always looking for cheap retread to fill holes there. Duane Brown is about the best they've done in FAcy in like 12 years or so.

Just fix it.

 

[JustTheTip]

JS has failed in the draft on OLmen. Over and over again. I believe only one OLman has been signed to a second contract during his tenure, Justin Britt. Then to make matters worse, they hardly ever go after true quality, but rather are always looking for cheap retread to fill holes there. Duane Brown is about the best they've done in FAcy in like 12 years or so.

Just fix it.

Brown was a trade.

 

[SeaWolv]

JS has failed in the draft on OLmen. Over and over again. I believe only one OLman has been signed to a second contract during his tenure, Justin Britt. Then to make matters worse, they hardly ever go after true quality, but rather are always looking for cheap retread to fill holes there. Duane Brown is about the best they've done in FAcy in like 12 years or so.

Just fix it.

It's a problem of priority. JS seems to believe you don't use high draft picks on OLine, except LT. Cross is the only current OLine drafted by JS in round 1 (#9). Comparatively the Lions, who have the #1 Oline, drafted 3 of their 5 starters in round 1. Zeitler was a first round pick by the Bengals in 2012 and Glasgow was drafted by the Lions at #95.

 

[NoGain]

Brown was a trade.

Good on you. I mis-remembered and thought he was a FA. Still, he was the only impact pickup on the OL in many years that I can remember.

 

[Shane Falco]

It's a problem of priority. JS seems to believe you don't use high draft picks on OLine, except LT. Cross is the only current OLine drafted by JS in round 1 (#9). Comparatively the Lions, who have the #1 Oline, drafted 4 of their 5 starters in round 1. Glasgow was drafted at #95.

Not to mention there are some good Olines where the team hasn't invested as much in draft capital but have spent money instead. Both should be used.

Not only did Detroit spend those 1st round picks on those guys, they've also payed them a lot of money after their rookie contracts.

 

[CouchLogic]

Well...yeah.

 

[NJlargent]

Firing JS after one year with MM does not seem very seahawky to me, although I would be fine with it so long as they have a replacement in their sight. If, however, they stick with him and they do not draft a OL with the first pick then he needs to go regardless of anything else.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

JS has failed in the draft on OLmen. Over and over again. I believe only one OLman has been signed to a second contract during his tenure, Justin Britt. Then to make matters worse, they hardly ever go after true quality, but rather are always looking for cheap retread to fill holes there. Duane Brown is about the best they've done in FAcy in like 12 years or so.

Just fix it.

Schneider does not know how, sorry.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

…this is a fringe WC squad

Not exaggerating that this may be the worst OL in many years, especially at the interior. Absolutely putrid against a very meh packers pass rush. 1-2 players getting a free rush every single down. Running backs being hit/chased before even getting the handoff. This is so, so bad man. Inexcusable for JS to roll out a unit like this. Ceiling is 100% capped until he fixes it, good teams will just manhandle them.

Geno has covered up so many issues with this unit and seeing Howell panic/get clobbered is what many other NFL QB’s would look like behind this OL. If Geno’s out for awhile, the season is probably toast. Howell cannot progress past his first read and honestly might die with the blocking he will get.

Hopefully, the Howell train is derailed and we can draft a QB in first round. I wanted to try to trade up for Nix last year.

 

[Rat]

After whatever the hell that was last night, Jordan Love has now been sacked just 11 times in 12 games. That's only four more than the number of sacks from Geno/Howell last night alone. Geno is currently at 43 sacks in 14 games, which matches his career high from his rookie season with the Jets (16 games). Not that sacks are strictly an OL stat, but you're likely to have more if you're constantly under duress.

If that doesn't make you hate the Packers enough, consider that they're currently 28th in the league in OL spending and rarely use first round picks on it. To construct their starting OL, they used two second-round picks, a third-rounder, a fourth-rounder, and a seventh-rounder.

 

[HawaiiD]

As far as we want to go out and get or draft a shiny new 1st round or one with mileage Offensive line men? I am just as equally inclined to think we have a run of shitty O-line coaches. We can look at all the metrics we want,physical attributes we want?
The teaching of techniques,the execution to me out weighs speed and strength to a good degree. I mean if you cannot block someone for 2-3 seconds or at least having some push during run plays at this level something is definitely wrong in the coaching and scheming. I don't know if it's my eyes or not?But when I observe other teams with good O-lines I.e Detroit yesterday and Philly.
It looks as thought the spacing between each line man is much tighter than ours. Which imo allows the opposing D a better view to shoot the gaps,read the play as it develops.
Isn't one of the purposes of having taller linemen is to hide plays as well? If there is to much spacing? Then that nullifies to a good degree the surprise aspect of the play. As much as we need the beef?
We need good farmers to raise them
Anyways that my take.

 

[evergreen]

John shnieder is like a crow. He’s obsessed with shiny objects. Divest the over priced wide receivers and get road graders.

 

[Mistashoesta]

The Packers looked leagues ahead of the Seahawks, and they're the 3rd best team in their own division. Playoffs? Ha. I'd be surprised if we win another game this season, even against the Bears.

 

[cymatica]

I think this is totally wrong and the only place I feel JS excels in. How many QB's has he drafted during the Pete and MM tenure? Only the franchises best QB ever.

That's not excelling at drafting. He made a good pick with Wilson, sure. The only other QB drafted since 2010 was Alex McGough. That's only 2 draft picks on QBs in 14 years. You could argue during Wilson's prime we didn't need to and I wouldn't disagree.

They could have at least spent 1 pick in the last 5 years on a QB, even a mid to late round pick and let him sit a couple years. It really makes absolutely zero sense considering John's obsession with drafting skill position players at the expense of the trenches.

 

[chrispy]

Criticism is fair, but JS has a lot of successes too. EJones, LWilliams doesn't get done with a different GM because of the risk of losing them after 1/2 season. Pointing out one side without the other negates your argument (to me).

The OL looked fair to good last week. Olu went out early. The Packers outplayed the Seahawks in every area last night, not just OL. In fact, LeFleur was interviewed at half-time and asked "What's working?" His answer: "What's not working?" That's not just OL. That's not JS. That's on the coaches.

The D got better throughout the game. The O was doomed from the start it seemed. Then got worse after Geno left. Sam had 0 snaps with the starters all week so he can't (reasonably) be judged on a dozen snaps, cold off the bench, in a game that was over, against a team that had our number, with an OC that was over his head too.

The Packers are 10-4 in a division where 3 teams will make the playoffs. The Seahawks are 8-6 in a division where the one team that makes the playoffs will lose in the 1st round. It is what it is. The Packers are better and trading a 1st round DT for a 1st round OG wouldn't have changed that last night.