Until JS actually builds an OL…

[mistaowen]

…this is a fringe WC squad

Not exaggerating that this may be the worst OL in many years, especially at the interior. Absolutely putrid against a very meh packers pass rush. 1-2 players getting a free rush every single down. Running backs being hit/chased before even getting the handoff. This is so, so bad man. Inexcusable for JS to roll out a unit like this. Ceiling is 100% capped until he fixes it, good teams will just manhandle them.

Geno has covered up so many issues with this unit and seeing Howell panic/get clobbered is what many other NFL QB’s would look like behind this OL. If Geno’s out for awhile, the season is probably toast. Howell cannot progress past his first read and honestly might die with the blocking he will get.

 

[hawkfan68]

Until the Seahawks learn how to win at home and protect their home field, there is no chance they will even reach the playoffs.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

All that celebrating that 4 game win streak proves to be somewhat fraudulent. Seattle couldn’t do diddly poo against The Packers. And what really is pathetic is The Packers kept running jet sweeps and getting chunks of yardage.

Another thing, BENCH TARIQ WOOLEN!

 

[James in PA]

JS is incapable of building an average o line, let alone an elite one. This guy has got to be the most overrated GM in football.

 

[cymatica]

He's incapable of drafting a QB too

 

[HawkinNY]

9-8. We will be 9-8 for the end of his time

 

[CalgaryFan05]

He's incapable of drafting a QB too

Talking 'bout the OL for 10 years.

 

[CallMeADawg]

I was watching Stroud in the Texans game yesterday like a kid with his face pressed up on the glass at the pet store looking at the puppies.

I was like "gee that would be nice"

We weren’t getting Stroud. Get over it.

 

[whidbeast]

I've been on this board for a decade and we've been complaining about the O line the entire time. Changed coaches, schemes, etc. The issue is the players aren't good enough and haven't ever been good enough. I'm finally out on JS for this reason.

 

[pittpnthrs]

He's incapable of drafting a QB too

I think this is totally wrong and the only place I feel JS excels in. How many QB's has he drafted during the Pete and MM tenure? Only the franchises best QB ever.

 

[JustTheTip]

I wanted to see John without Pete. I wouldn't mind him getting another year to get all the Pete off of him. I also wouldn't mind if we moved on from him after this year.

The OL issues definitely seems to be on him with the information we have. I think there is enough information over the years to suggest he has a good eye for QBs and was overridden by Pete on that position.

 

[Rat]

I think this is totally wrong and the only place I feel JS excels in. How many QB's has he drafted during the Pete and MM tenure? Only the franchises best QB ever.

It was one in 14 years. I'm going to need to start seeing a bigger sample size before I say he "excels" in it. The Jets, Redskins, and Eagles were all set to take Russ with their next pick too, and that's just the teams that actually admitted it.

 

[JustTheTip]

It was one in 14 years. I'm going to need to start seeing a bigger sample size before I say he "excels" in it. The Jets, Redskins, and Eagles were all set to take Russ with their next pick too, and that's just the teams that actually admitted it.

There are also substantial rumors that he pushed hard to get both Mahomes and Allen and was overridden by Pete.

 

[Rat]

Those guys were top 10 picks. Easy to come out later and talk about how they wanted the superstar players. We don't know much about the guys they liked that didn't work out. Sam Howell and Drew Lock apparently. I remember hearing they made a push for Jacoby Brissett in his draft too.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Those guys were top 10 picks. Easy to come out later and talk about how they wanted the superstar players. We don't know much about the guys they liked that didn't work out. Sam Howell and Drew Lock apparently. I remember hearing they made a push for Jacoby Brissett in his draft too.

Howell and Lock were always backup material and thats what they were aquired for. Not sure JS had the OK to try and fill the QBotF void while Pete was here, but he's going to get his chance soon so we'll see if he can capitalize on it.

 

[JustTheTip]

Those guys were top 10 picks. Easy to come out later and talk about how they wanted the superstar players. We don't know much about the guys they liked that didn't work out. Sam Howell and Drew Lock apparently. I remember hearing they made a push for Jacoby Brissett in his draft too.

There were rumors both times right around the draft. But yes they did get rehashed "after the fact".

Lock and Howell don't apply to what we are talking about. Both were afterthoughts and never intended to fill the starting role (if they were, they would have started over Geno.) I am sure there are multiple QB's that John wanted during drafts that had varying levels of success in the NFL. The point is that there is certainly more information that indicates he has a good eye for QBs than there is suggesting he is awful at finding them.

 

[Rat]

Howell and Lock were always backup material and thats what they were aquired for. Not sure JS had the OK to try and fill the QBotF void while Pete was here, but he's going to get his chance soon so we'll see if he can capitalize on it.

Lock was an early second round pick who was drafted as a future starter. They said they liked him going into that draft, so I would assume they thought he had starter potential at the time. I believe he was acquired to battle for the job, then brought back the following season as a backup.

There was also the odd trade for Whitehurst, but I'll give them a pass for that since they were just starting. I did like the trade at the time though. Also signed Matt Flynn, although I'm not convinced he would have failed as the starter.

I'm not saying I don't think Schneider has an eye for talent, and quite possibly at QB, I just think it gets overstated as a given when we have such a small sample size on the guys they have actually acquired. His resume is pretty much built on one guy. I really, really hope he does know what he's doing though. I believe we need to find that QBOTF soon.

 

[Shane Falco]

Can't play with the big boys without a good offensive line. We we're exposed. We haven't really made progress on the oline like I thought I was seeing lately. D line is not as deep as a lot of fans think it is either. It's gotten better over last season but work still needs to be done. This team was built outside in, instead of the tried and true inside out. You can have 2 or 3 average guys on an oline if you have a couple studs. But those average guys are going to look pretty bad next to some guys that aren't very good.

This team needs to keep focusing on trenches wholeheartedly in the offseason. It's the single biggest reason they are so up and down through the season. Exactly like last season. I thought we we're getting past that but we really haven't.

 

[Rat]

Also, on Mahomes. The Bills traded the pick the Chiefs used to get Mahomes for shockingly little (traded down from 10 to 27 for a late third rounder and the Chiefs first the following year). Feels like either we couldn't have wanted him THAT badly or Pete just really, really didn't like him. If you think a QB is a future star, I can't imagine that cost would have been prohibitive. We were drafting earlier than the Chiefs and arent even in the Bills' conference. I haven't heard any details aside from somebody "wanting to".

 

[pittpnthrs]

Lock was an early second round pick who was drafted as a future starter. They said they liked him going into that draft, so I would assume they thought he had starter potential at the time. I believe he was acquired to battle for the job, then brought back the following season as a backup.

There was also the odd trade for Whitehurst, but I'll give them a pass for that since they were just starting. I did like the trade at the time though. Also signed Matt Flynn, although I'm not convinced he would have failed as the starter.

I'm not saying I don't think Schneider has an eye for talent, and quite possibly at QB, I just think it gets overstated as a given when we have such a small sample size on the guys they have actually acquired. His resume is pretty much built on one guy. I really, really hope he does know what he's doing though. I believe we need to find that QBOTF soon.

I believe they saw enough of Lock to know what he was, but that's here nor there.

I'll admit that I wanted Flynn to start at that time. I was wrong.

The sample size is small. I can't deny that.