Tush Push

[Sperrydogg]

I was stoked to see the hawks run a tush push. Our short yardage game has been abysmal. This is a whole new thing now

 

[IndyHawk]

Yes, nice to see us doing something other than Petebull.

 

[Ostatehawk]

I was stoked to see the hawks run a tush push. Our short yardage game has been abysmal. This is a whole new thing now

Could we have run it effectively last year?

I’m not sure.

 

[sutz]

Could we have run it effectively last year?

I’m not sure.

I think you're right. The OL wasn't quite up to snuff yet. As easy as it looks, the tush push is not guaranteed. Everybody needs to be in sync with the OL launching together and the QB/backs pitching in on cue.

Other teams have tried it with mixed success. The Iggles had that monster center the was a key player. Maybe he's still there? Thought he might retire.

But you have to have the beef and actually practice it. Not the kind of play they want to spend hours on in limited practice time.

 

[kidhawk]

The eagles use Hurts because the dude can squat 600lbs. (Barkley can do the same though.)

Snapping to the qb also decreases the odds of a bumbled snap. RBs don’t get under center enough to be consistent. Personally I like that Milroe is a qb who has the physical tools to get that <1 yard while still being good enough to also be able to actually throw a quick pass if we wanted to go that route.

 

[FreshBoxLive]

I love it. It was undefendable for Philly, and it should be as well with our personnel. It’ll likely get banned in the future, but I love it this season for our new identity on offense.

They won't ban it. How would the language of the rule work? Thou shall not rush the ball with the QB under center on 4th down? Illegal formation?

 

[sutz]

They won't ban it. How would the language of the rule work? Thou shall not rush the ball with the QB under center on 4th down? Illegal formation?

Well, IIRC it used to be illegal for an offensive player to physically help a ball carrier advance. Not sure when that changed, but it's been a few years. Tush push is just a natural advancement of that act.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

The eagles use Hurts because the dude can squat 600lbs. (Barkley can do the same though.)

This

 

[rjas77]

Well, IIRC it used to be illegal for an offensive player to physically help a ball carrier advance. Not sure when that changed, but it's been a few years. Tush push is just a natural advancement of that act.

I think it’s changed..how many times have you seen Tackles and Guards help move the pile?

 

[sutz]

I think it’s changed..how many times have you seen Tackles and Guards help move the pile?

Like I said, it's pretty common now, but I think it used to be illegal.

 

[Trackhawk]

Other teams have tried it with mixed success. The Iggles had that monster center the was a key player. Maybe he's still there? Thought he might retire.

Jason Kelce retired in March of last year, as a HOF shoe in. 6 first team all-pro designations in his career. His brother Travis is slightly more famous.

With the retirement of Kelce, the success of the play dropped to 81%, from 90% in 2022 and 88% in 2023, his last two seasons.

 

[Tusc2000]

Absolutely ridiculous that every team isn’t using the tush push.

Not every team is the Eagles. Just look at how badly the Bills did this in their playoff loss to the Chiefs.

 

[Tusc2000]

I thought they brought in Milroe for the Tush Push, that's what I believe I saw on the highlights. Was I on drugs? No alcohol even in my system at the time.

When I saw that, I thought, "Fantastic! They've already put together a package for Milroe to contribute NOW in crucial situations! Great coaching".

It was indeed Milroe, but Darnold remained on the field in the fullback/safety position in case anyting went sideways -- and to also give the D something to think about on 4th and 1. I like the idea of Darnold staying on the field for this play, but we've now telegraphed it to everyone, so we lose the surprise factor in the regular season. Stupid coaching decision to show your hand in preseason. Amateur hour.

 

[olyfan63]

It was indeed Milroe, but Darnold remained on the field in the fullback/safety position in case anyting went sideways -- and to also give the D something to think about on 4th and 1. I like the idea of Darnold staying on the field for this play, but we've now telegraphed it to everyone, so we lose the surprise factor in the regular season. Stupid coaching decision to show your hand in preseason. Amateur hour.

Thanks for the additional data! The highlights package I saw, puzzlingly, omitted that play.
I don't agree with your assessment of losing the surprise factor... Jalen Hurts and the Eagles have no surprise factor and the play still works nearly every time. We'll see in the regular season, and you can say I-told-you-so the second time the Seahawks version gets stuffed. I'm happy they think enough of their O-Line push to install the Tush Push.

 

[Torc]

I also disagree on losing the surprise factor. We've shown that our tush push formation includes Darnold. We haven't shown all we can do from that formation. They'd be really foolish if they had a formation without Darnold, and then they put him in the one time they're going to do a surprise pass. THAT would ruin the surprise element.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Thanks for the additional data! The highlights package I saw, puzzlingly, omitted that play.
I don't agree with your assessment of losing the surprise factor... Jalen Hurts and the Eagles have no surprise factor and the play still works nearly every time. We'll see in the regular season, and you can say I-told-you-so the second time the Seahawks version gets stuffed. I'm happy they think enough of their O-Line push to install the Tush Push.

The formation the Seahawks were in with guys like Ouzts and Russel and saubert and bobo we could do more than the tush push. And milroes wheels, man, that’s cool.

I think Kubiak has embraced the run and the creativity and power and the sky is the limit

 

[glenwo2]

It was indeed Milroe, but Darnold remained on the field in the fullback/safety position in case anyting went sideways -- and to also give the D something to think about on 4th and 1. I like the idea of Darnold staying on the field for this play, but we've now telegraphed it to everyone, so we lose the surprise factor in the regular season. Stupid coaching decision to show your hand in preseason. Amateur hour.

Thanks for the additional data! The highlights package I saw, puzzlingly, omitted that play.
I don't agree with your assessment of losing the surprise factor... Jalen Hurts and the Eagles have no surprise factor and the play still works nearly every time. We'll see in the regular season, and you can say I-told-you-so the second time the Seahawks version gets stuffed. I'm happy they think enough of their O-Line push to install the Tush Push.

Here is a picture of it and what Tusc2000 stated about Darnold's position on the field :

 

[sutz]

Here is a picture of it and what Tusc2000 stated about Darnold's position on the field :

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Almost looks like a victory formation.

 

[glenwo2]

Almost looks like a victory formation.

Hope to see plenty of those this season.


LET'S F*CKING GO HAWKS!!!


(BTW, I added a second pic to make it look like it's a moving picture. lol )

 

[cymatica]

Darnold staying on the field for this play, but we've now telegraphed it to everyone, so we lose the surprise factor in the regular season. Stupid coaching decision to show your hand in preseason. Amateur hour.

Lol ok. They didn't show anything except the threat of another play. They might have a play that gives Darnold the ball in the same formation with a receiver leaking out. If anything, it gives defenses something more to think about