Tom Brady hating on Darnold

[NoGain]

I thought Darnold looked better than Geno last year. Wonder what the squawk is all about.

The squawk is that his NFL career never took off after a promising couple of years at USC and being the 3rd pick in the draft, a draft where Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were picked after him in the 1st round. He also played for three teams before the Vikings last year, all three teams giving up on him. Before last year, he threw more interceptions than TD's in his previous stints leading teams to think he wasn't a good decision maker. In his defense, his first two teams, the Jets and the Panthers, were not good situations for a young QB to develop within. He was then signed by the 49ers, but couldn't win the starting job over 7th round pick Brock Purdy when Trey Lance got injured.

He then went to his fourth team in seven years, the Vikings, where he enjoyed a fine statistical season after JJ McCarthy went down with a season ending injury. People questioned how much of his career resurgence was due to working under a brilliant offensive coach, and the fact that the team had an elite group of receivers. Darnold also ended the season on a poor note, losing the final game for a playoff bye, and then losing to the Rams in the first round of the playoffs. People questioned his abilities to deliver in a big game after that, and those two losses probably cost him a lot of guaranteed money. In spite of his fine statistical season, the Vikes decided to move on from him.

In other words, Darnold's resume is "iffy", with only one good season to his credit, and one that ended poorly at the most critical time.

 

[glenwo2]

Felt like I just read an Article from an ESPN Talking head.

 

[Azvacar]

The squawk is that his NFL career never took off after a promising couple of years at USC and being the 3rd pick in the draft, a draft where Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were picked after him in the 1st round. He also played for three teams before the Vikings last year, all three teams giving up on him. Before last year, he threw more interceptions than TD's in his previous stints leading teams to think he wasn't a good decision maker. In his defense, his first two teams, the Jets and the Panthers, were not good situations for a young QB to develop within. He was then signed by the 49ers, but couldn't win the starting job over 7th round pick Brock Purdy when Trey Lance got injured.

He then went to his fourth team in seven years, the Vikings, where he enjoyed a fine statistical season after JJ McCarthy went down with a season ending injury. People questioned how much of his career resurgence was due to working under a brilliant offensive coach, and the fact that the team had an elite group of receivers. Darnold also ended the season on a poor note, losing the final game for a playoff bye, and then losing to the Rams in the first round of the playoffs. People questioned his abilities to deliver in a big game after that, and those two losses probably cost him a lot of guaranteed money. In spite of his fine statistical season, the Vikes decided to move on from him.

In other words, Darnold's resume is "iffy", with only one good season to his credit, and one that ended poorly at the most critical time.

The panthers and the jets.... all that needs to be said frankly.

And you mean the Brock Purdy that had already secured the starting QB job? Uh...... what?

He joined a functional team and did well.... This seems like a no brainer to me

 

[Sperrydogg]

Exactly.

Why the hell are we discussing Geno and the Raiders, lol.
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Toffee started it

 

[Sperrydogg]

The squawk is that his NFL career never took off after a promising couple of years at USC and being the 3rd pick in the draft, a draft where Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were picked after him in the 1st round. He also played for three teams before the Vikings last year, all three teams giving up on him. Before last year, he threw more interceptions than TD's in his previous stints leading teams to think he wasn't a good decision maker. In his defense, his first two teams, the Jets and the Panthers, were not good situations for a young QB to develop within. He was then signed by the 49ers, but couldn't win the starting job over 7th round pick Brock Purdy when Trey Lance got injured.

He then went to his fourth team in seven years, the Vikings, where he enjoyed a fine statistical season after JJ McCarthy went down with a season ending injury. People questioned how much of his career resurgence was due to working under a brilliant offensive coach, and the fact that the team had an elite group of receivers. Darnold also ended the season on a poor note, losing the final game for a playoff bye, and then losing to the Rams in the first round of the playoffs. People questioned his abilities to deliver in a big game after that, and those two losses probably cost him a lot of guaranteed money. In spite of his fine statistical season, the Vikes decided to move on from him.

In other words, Darnold's resume is "iffy", with only one good season to his credit, and one that ended poorly at the most critical time.

Nice write up. Read really fast which is nice

 

[Sperrydogg]

The squawk is that his NFL career never took off after a promising couple of years at USC and being the 3rd pick in the draft, a draft where Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were picked after him in the 1st round. He also played for three teams before the Vikings last year, all three teams giving up on him. Before last year, he threw more interceptions than TD's in his previous stints leading teams to think he wasn't a good decision maker. In his defense, his first two teams, the Jets and the Panthers, were not good situations for a young QB to develop within. He was then signed by the 49ers, but couldn't win the starting job over 7th round pick Brock Purdy when Trey Lance got injured.

He then went to his fourth team in seven years, the Vikings, where he enjoyed a fine statistical season after JJ McCarthy went down with a season ending injury. People questioned how much of his career resurgence was due to working under a brilliant offensive coach, and the fact that the team had an elite group of receivers. Darnold also ended the season on a poor note, losing the final game for a playoff bye, and then losing to the Rams in the first round of the playoffs. People questioned his abilities to deliver in a big game after that, and those two losses probably cost him a lot of guaranteed money. In spite of his fine statistical season, the Vikes decided to move on from him.

In other words, Darnold's resume is "iffy", with only one good season to his credit, and one that ended poorly at the most critical time.

Darnold could end up looking nothing like last year and wooo hold on our quarterback situation could get crazy

 

[CouchLogic]

Toffee started it

 

[NoGain]

The panthers and the jets.... all that needs to be said frankly.

And you mean the Brock Purdy that had already secured the starting QB job? Uh...... what?

He joined a functional team and did well.... This seems like a no brainer to me

Yeah, sure Purdy was named the starter for the 2023 season over Darnold. But that's a way of saying that the former 3rd pick in the draft posed no threat to Purdy for the position. Darnold was seen as nothing but a backup to a 7th round pick by Shanahan. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Darnold at the time.

Maybe Darnold seems like a no-brainer to you. Not to me. I'm hoping for the best, but have a healthy skepticism about it.

And I did mention the Jets and the Panthers, and that they weren't good situations for development.

 

[glenwo2]

Darnold could end up looking nothing like last year and wooo hold on our quarterback situation could get crazy

Darnold could end up looking nothing like last year and he could still help lead the Hawks to the Playoffs and win playoff games.

It all depends on Kubiak's offensive scheme and how Darnold operates it.


The Hawks don't really need Minnesota Vikings Darnold for them to be successful.

 

[glenwo2]

Yeah, sure Purdy was named the starter for the 2023 season over Darnold. But that's a way of saying that the former 3rd pick in the draft posed no threat to Purdy for the position. Darnold was seen as nothing but a backup to a 7th round pick by Shanahan. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Darnold at the time.

Maybe Darnold seems like a no-brainer to you. Not to me. I'm hoping for the best, but have a healthy skepticism about it.

And I did mention the Jets and the Panthers, and that they weren't good situations for development.

Ignoring the absurd notion that you know what Shannahan was thinking, Purdy was NEVER going to be supplanted by Darnold or anyone.

He was coming off a season where he got injured.....IN THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!!

So right away, anyone (not just Darnold specifically) would've been hard-pressed to knock Brock Purdy off his position as QB1.

There was never any shot in hell of Darnold being "a threat" because of THAT, and not because of skill/ability 'cause Sam had plenty of that to challenge Brock if it were just a case of that aspect.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Brady, a man who never drafted or signed any QB, decided to hate on Darnold.

Yeah, because being the greatest quarterback to ever actually play the game means he's unqualified to have an opinion on another quarterback since he hasn't drafted or signed any himself.

 

[gmor]

The squawk is that his NFL career never took off after a promising couple of years at USC and being the 3rd pick in the draft, a draft where Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were picked after him in the 1st round. He also played for three teams before the Vikings last year, all three teams giving up on him. Before last year, he threw more interceptions than TD's in his previous stints leading teams to think he wasn't a good decision maker. In his defense, his first two teams, the Jets and the Panthers, were not good situations for a young QB to develop within. He was then signed by the 49ers, but couldn't win the starting job over 7th round pick Brock Purdy when Trey Lance got injured.

He then went to his fourth team in seven years, the Vikings, where he enjoyed a fine statistical season after JJ McCarthy went down with a season ending injury. People questioned how much of his career resurgence was due to working under a brilliant offensive coach, and the fact that the team had an elite group of receivers. Darnold also ended the season on a poor note, losing the final game for a playoff bye, and then losing to the Rams in the first round of the playoffs. People questioned his abilities to deliver in a big game after that, and those two losses probably cost him a lot of guaranteed money. In spite of his fine statistical season, the Vikes decided to move on from him.

In other words, Darnold's resume is "iffy", with only one good season to his credit, and one that ended poorly at the most critical time.

Getting drafted by the Jets wasn't a blessing. I would counter that the teams Allen and Jackson went to were better set up for a young QB to grow. Instead of building around Darnold, the Jets ditched him drafted the guy out of BYU, who then did even worse. Darnold was a very good prospect coming into the league. Last year it looked like he turned it around and was on a good trajectory of production and growth. We got him now. Hope it continues.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Getting drafted by the Jets wasn't a blessing. I would counter that the teams Allen and Jackson went to were better set up for a young QB to grow. Instead of building around Darnold, the Jets ditched him drafted the guy out of BYU, who then did even worse. Darnold was a very good prospect coming into the league. Last year it looked like he turned it around and was on a good trajectory of production and growth. We got him now. Hope it continues.

It’s Allen Jackson not Allen and Jackson. SMH….. way down yonder on the chatahoochie it gets hotter than a hootchies cootchie

 

[bileever]

It’s Allen Jackson not Allen and Jackson. SMH….. way down yonder on the chatahoochie it gets hotter than a hootchies cootchie

And it's five o'clock somewhere.

 

[NoGain]

Ignoring the absurd notion that you know what Shannahan was thinking, Purdy was NEVER going to be supplanted by Darnold or anyone.

He was coming off a season where he got injured.....IN THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!!

So right away, anyone (not just Darnold specifically) would've been hard-pressed to knock Brock Purdy off his position as QB1.

There was never any shot in hell of Darnold being "a threat" because of THAT, and not because of skill/ability 'cause Sam had plenty of that to challenge Brock if it were just a case of that aspect.

I don't have to know what Shanahan was thinking to know that he never saw Darnold as anything more than a backup. His actions said as much. I think it's fair to say that the 49ers had one of the most, if not the most talented roster in the league from top to bottom for a window of time there. All they lacked was an average/competent NFL QB who was capable of executing Shanahan's offense and not hurting the team with costly turnovers and bad decision making to be amongst that small handful of teams who were true SB contenders.

Purdy fit that bill, at least over the likes of Garoppolo, Lance, and Darnold who, for reasons of their own, didn't. As for knocking Purdy off that perch, who was available who clearly and feasibly fit that bill? It was reported that Shanahan was interested in bringing in an aging Tom Brady to run his offense, but nothing came of it.

I'm agreeing with you in that absent a clear and feasibly available better choice than Purdy (which Darnold wasn't to them), he was going to be their guy. That said, I don't think I'm alone in thinking that the jury's still out as to where Purdy ranks amongst his peers as an NFL QB. How much of his statistical success and otherwise have been the result of the system and the talent he was surrounded by? How capable is he of winning big games for you more often than not when the talent around him isn't at the level of quality he's mostly enjoyed so far? Questions like this linger in the minds of many people now about Darnold.

 

[glenwo2]

I don't have to know what Shanahan was thinking....

Then don't assume you know what he's thinking.


As far as the rest of your post afterward, you are correct.

I can also bring up the FACT that Darnold went there to get some much-needed Development as a QB (something he never got in NY or CAR) and knew that he was going into a situation where he not only was NOT going to be the Starting QB but that he'd be potentially the #3 QB behind Purdy and Trey Lance.

He ultimately won the backup Job over Lance (who doesn't belong in the League, imo) and that was that.

 

[Hawkstud]

It's more rare for all time players to be good at scouting/drafting than it is the reverse. Anything Brady thinks about the matter means little to me.

Yep, opinions are like A-Holes, everybody has one.