According to Newsweek, Tom Brady vetoed Darnold

[SantaClaraHawk]

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Within this story there’s corroborating evidence from the athletic.

it seemed so slick at the time to agree with Brady, the goat that became a national sportscaster, didn’t it? To me it was a decent gamble at the time. It didn’t work out.

 

[Rat]

People need to stop assuming former star players ever know what they're talking about. They rarely become great front office guys and NEVER become great coaches.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

This right here ^^^^^
Great player rarely equals great GM, etc.

 

[ccla]

People need to stop assuming former star players ever know what they're talking about. They rarely become great front office guys and NEVER become great coaches.

Except for Kupp?

 

[Trackhawk]

I would say that players who barely have to work for it make terrible coaches.

Guys that aren’t naturally gifted, but learn and succeed anyway, can make great coaches.

Neither particularly seem to set a guy up for talent evaluation.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Tom comes to quarterback evaluation being THE extreme outlier having played successfully to age 45. His lived bias is literally that 37 isn’t too old to win a Super Bowl. So he wouldn’t factor in age in the way the Seahawks did.

Quarterback decline is like female fertility. There is a precipitous decline at 37.5 years in natural conception even though there are women in their 50s who have conceived naturally. One is the natural order of things, and the other is the kind of freak occurance that Tom is.

 

[James in PA]

People need to stop assuming former star players ever know what they're talking about. They rarely become great front office guys and NEVER become great coaches.

The way everyone was gushing about "Coach Prime" just a couple years ago made me think he'd never lose a game again.

 

[Hollandhawk]

People need to stop assuming former star players ever know what they're talking about. They rarely become great front office guys and NEVER become great coaches.

Would you say Ditka is an exception? Although he definitely had some issues as a head coach.

 

[Exittium]

Look at poles… that’s like 50/50.. im still convinced he sucks as much as the coaches he’s had now lol

 

[NoGain]

Would you say Ditka is an exception? Although he definitely had some issues as a head coach.

No. True, Ditka won a SB, but I wouldn't mistake him for a great coach. He was a good old-school motivator, instilled a take-no-prisoners attitude into his players/teams, but he was regularly out coached by the likes of Bill Walsh and Joe Gibbs. I'd go as far as to say that his coaching held back those Bears' teams a bit. But growing up a Bears fan in Chicago, I still have some fond memories of him as a coach.

 

[gmor]

People need to stop assuming former star players ever know what they're talking about. They rarely become great front office guys and NEVER become great coaches.

Exactly. Thankfully, Brady missed on this one.

 

[glenwo2]

I could've sworn I already mentioned this a billion times in just about every thread in NET regarding Brady but I guess we needed an Article stating as such for people to believe it. *shrugs*


But yeah...Brady may be the Goat but he's A Goat when it comes to Personnel decisions.

 

[flv2]

I think a lot of NFL people would have chosen Smith over Darnold in March if they were picking a QB for 2025 and the costs were fairly similar. It's different for the fans who've watched a QB not generate playoff success for their team for 3 seasons. The Seahawks looked stale and needed to move on from Smith. So far that choice has worked out well, but it could have gone the other way.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I think a lot of NFL people would have chosen Smith over Darnold in March if they were picking a QB for 2025 and the costs were fairly similar. It's different for the fans who've watched a QB not generate playoff success for their team for 3 seasons. The Seahawks looked stale and needed to move on from Smith. So far that choice has worked out well, but it could have gone the other way.

With Brady on board, they underestimated the age factor. What we saw with Russ and now Geno is way more the norm than Brady was.

 

[keasley45]

The QB doesn't play in a vacuum. I don't know a QB in the league who could be successful playing in that offense, with the players they have and behind that o line.

Comparing QBs to one in that situation is like putting 2 similarly skilled drivers in an auto race and giving one a Porsche and the other a broken down 1999 Ford mustang and hailing the Porsche driver superior because he won. Well yeah.

Geno is playing in arguably the worst offense in the league and behind the worst line in the league and had turned the ball over 11 times.

Darnold has one of the best o lines in the league, the most electric wr and arguably the most dynamic offense to go along with a top 5 defense and has 10 turnovers.

That's not to say anything about who is 'better' or that Brady was right, but keep things in focus.

It's good to not be the Raiders. It's great to be the Seahawks right now. I think we can all be thankful for that.

 

[Somos doces]

I would say that players who barely have to work for it make terrible coaches.

Guys that aren’t naturally gifted, but learn and succeed anyway, can make great coaches.

Neither particularly seem to set a guy up for talent evaluation.

Agreed that someone who is a good coach and someone whose success came as a result of working hard aren't necessarily good at evaluating talent.

 

[BirdsCommaAngry]

Darnold is a system QB.

His system is any functional offense.

 

[Hollandhawk]

The QB doesn't play in a vacuum. I don't know a QB in the league who could be successful playing in that offense, with the players they have and behind that o line.

Comparing QBs to one in that situation is like putting 2 similarly skilled drivers in an auto race and giving one a Porsche and the other a broken down 1999 Ford mustang and hailing the Porsche driver superior because he won. Well yeah.

Geno is playing in arguably the worst offense in the league and behind the worst line in the league and had turned the ball over 11 times.

Darnold has one of the best o lines in the league, the most electric wr and arguably the most dynamic offense to go along with a top 5 defense and has 10 turnovers.

That's not to say anything about who is 'better' or that Brady was right, but keep things in focus.

It's good to not be the Raiders. It's great to be the Seahawks right now. I think we can all be thankful for that.

You could also say Darnold is helping the o-line look good. He has one of the fastest times to throw in the league. You could also say maybe JSN is blossoming because of him? It’s not a one way street with these things. He is crushing Geno in air yards and yards per attempt. Also, you bring up turnovers, don’t you think it’s a bit disingenuous to not differentiate between fumbles and interceptions? Although fumbles arguably can be more catastrophic, interceptions are more heavily tied into decision making and reading defenses.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

The QB doesn't play in a vacuum. I don't know a QB in the league who could be successful playing in that offense, with the players they have and behind that o line.

Comparing QBs to one in that situation is like putting 2 similarly skilled drivers in an auto race and giving one a Porsche and the other a broken down 1999 Ford mustang and hailing the Porsche driver superior because he won. Well yeah.

Geno is playing in arguably the worst offense in the league and behind the worst line in the league and had turned the ball over 11 times.

Darnold has one of the best o lines in the league, the most electric wr and arguably the most dynamic offense to go along with a top 5 defense and has 10 turnovers.

That's not to say anything about who is 'better' or that Brady was right, but keep things in focus.

It's good to not be the Raiders. It's great to be the Seahawks right now. I think we can all be thankful for that.

Chances are Geno would do better than he is had he stayed here, and that Darnold would have done worse over there. But still, we could see the age related decline in Geno’s arm strength by 2024. If we had him back this year, we could still have a winning season but have a better chance at playoffs with Sam. They may both be system qbs, but Sam is our difference maker whereas Geno hasn’t provided an advantage despite his knowing Pete and having Lockett. im not seeing why Pete failed to swap Pickett into garbage time losses and I don’t see why Pickett isn’t starting now.

 

[NoGain]

Vacuums aside, it's pretty clear who the better QB is this year. I think anyone would be kidding themselves to think otherwise. No way do I think JSN would be having the year he's had so far with Geno as QB. And I don't at all believe that Geno would be commanding the same amount of affection and respect from his fellow players and coaches as Darnold has. Geno's always been a bit lacking in the leadership department. He has this self-absorbed quality to him that's just not that inspiring of his fellow teammates. I've seen this in action watching him and hearing him speak. It's palpable to me.

We're a better team with Darnold as QB than we would have been with Geno. This was a great QB swap for the Hawks. We got a better, younger QB for a decent value.