Thomas and Sherman, how do you fee about them now?

[Mad Dog]

Earl did not hang around with the team after he broke his leg the first time. And he was on a mega deal at that time.

Earl likely was offered a third contract at a mid level safety rate but he wanted Eric Berry money. I'm sure a deal was available to him at any time he was willing to take a lower salary.

Kam gave us a pretty obvious hometown discount with his second contract and that likely spurred on his holdout. He also retired as a Hawk and ended his career with an injury as a Hawk. So I will not speak ill of the man even though he had a holdout for two games.

But I don't blame Earl for leaving or for the middle finger thing. I just think he felt his value was much higher than it really should be at this stage of his career.

 

[NINEster]

Look forward to facing both of them. I hope Russell goes after RS with some success. I am confident that he will. He is not a shut down corner.

He either isn't now and never was, or he's always been one.

It isn't, he was back then and totally isn't now.

Get back to me when you can.

 

[Uncle Si]

Look forward to facing both of them. I hope Russell goes after RS with some success. I am confident that he will. He is not a shut down corner.

He either isn't now and never was, or he's always been one.

It isn't, he was back then and totally isn't now.

Get back to me when you can.

Yeah, players never age, slow down, lose abilities...

They are exactly the same throughout their careers.

 

[Chapow]

Look forward to facing both of them. I hope Russell goes after RS with some success. I am confident that he will. He is not a shut down corner.

He either isn't now and never was, or he's always been one.

It isn't, he was back then and totally isn't now.

Get back to me when you can.

I can't fathom how you think this makes any sense at all.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

I have great respect for both Earl and Sherm and hope them the best, but I'm happy they're not with the team anymore.

Both Earl and the team were correct last year in how they handled their situation. The team didn't want to give him a fat contract on the wrong side of 30 and having some serious injury risk, while Earl knew he had injury risk and wanted to get one last fat contract that ensured he'd be paid whether he was hurt or not.

Sherm was somewhat similar. Coming off a torn achilles, hitting 30, becoming a malcontent who will say and do whatever he wants, even when he's demonstrably wrong. Sherm is toxic, but he's tolerable (and a frontrunner) as long as he/the team is winning. The recent handshake drama and Sherm telling people they can't change their opinions (wtf?) have shown who Sherm really is, unfortunately.

I think both of them are fantastic players, even if they aren't the same players they were 5-6 years ago. It was just time for them, and the team, to move on.

 

[CPHawk]

The way Sherm acted, I've felt it was him or Wilson.

 

[Seahwkgal]

Look forward to facing both of them. I hope Russell goes after RS with some success. I am confident that he will. He is not a shut down corner.

He either isn't now and never was, or he's always been one.

It isn't, he was back then and totally isn't now.

Get back to me when you can.

:laugh:

Oh, lookie here. Whiner fan defending Sherman now that he’s on their side of the fence. Classic and so predictable. :roll:

 

[vin.couve12]

Kam didn't "hang around" last year because the Hawks were paying him. He and his wife started a family and a business in Seattle and are staying in Seattle indefinitely.

What happened with Earl and what happened with Kam aren't comparable really, nor are they comparable as teammates. Earl is even pissing off his new teammates, calling them out for not playing, while admitting to quitting on a touchdown play.

What you're really doing in your argument is trying to defend one player by bringing down another.

 

[vin.couve12]

The way Sherm acted, I've felt it was him or Wilson.

This is kind of true. He was fixated on some things it would seem.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep, that's sports. I remember how much I couldn't stand Ricky Waters before he came here. But, he played hard and contributed and then I loved him as a player. It happens, but yeah, Niners fans sticking up for Sherman is odd, but not surprising overall. Shoot, I work with a couple Niners fans. They hated him, but we always talked about how he was a player you hate unless he's on your team. At least he did back up the talk of how great he was when he played here. There's something to be said for that. So many players are average but talk a huge game. That whole Ali thing was the real deal, and you could see that in his talk and confidence. He has talked about Ali and his respect for him and his swagger. I do miss him in his prime, incredible player. Regardless of the opinion of these guys now, it's not wrong to be frustrated with them and how they acted at the end and/or since then. Just like it's not wrong to stick up for them. Both sides have valid reasons for their opinions. Doesn't make anyone less of a fan either way, and nobody is required to always support former players just because they were great Hawks.
That being said, huge game Sunday. GO HAWKS!

 

[twisted_steel2]

The way Sherm acted, I've felt it was him or Wilson.

Same. That's why I respect Earl a lot more. Earl actually said some nice things today(or yesterday) to the Baltimore media about Wilson, he has a ton of respect for Wilson.

It sucks the way he left.... but at least he respected the other players, and didnt seem to be a distraction to the other players, I guess he directed his anger towards Carroll.

While Sherman just went after everyone, a big ol' cancer, and talked all that trash about Wilson (anonymously of course).

[tweet]https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status/1184608540230479872[/tweet]

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Exactly, Sherm and Bennett seemed to be the only ones who piled on Russ. Not sure why, maybe Jealousy, but they are gone and it's for the best. Earl was never a bad mouth your teammates type guy.

 

[AgentDib]

I definitely wouldn't lump Earl in with Sherman exactly for that reason.

The SI article about Sherm vs. Wilson is a very interesting read if there are some here who missed it back in the day. There was skepticism at the time but based on how things have played out since then it seems to have been pretty accurate. Per that article, MikeB actually defended Russ, albeit for practical reasons.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Kam didn't "hang around" last year because the Hawks were paying him. He and his wife started a family and a business in Seattle and are staying in Seattle indefinitely.

What happened with Earl and what happened with Kam aren't comparable really, nor are they comparable as teammates. Earl is even pissing off his new teammates, calling them out for not playing, while admitting to quitting on a touchdown play.

What your really doing in your argument is trying to defend one player by bringing down another.

For the 85th time, if we don't extend Kam, he's not hanging around, helping, being an amazing teammate, use whatever positive spin you want to try to differentiate him from Earl........but it's the crux of this entire discussion.

His family staying in Seattle had nothing to do with him being at practice and on the sidelines. Him being on IR and getting his 3rd contract paychecks did. Unlike Earl who was playing out his 2nd contract and not getting a 3rd, or at least not getting the one he wanted.

BIG difference.

 

[AgentDib]

For the 85th time, if we don't extend Kam, he's not hanging around, helping, being an amazing teammate, use whatever positive spin you want to try to differentiate him from Earl........but it's the crux of this entire discussion.

We're obviously not going to change each other's opinions here because I think what Kam did after the failed holdout is exactly the difference. He never once criticized the team, showed back up to work, said all the right things, and continued to lead the team. The team rewarded him with a third contract because of that. Earl was toxic, left town every chance he could get, criticized the FO in the media and then the team didn't give him a third contract. If you don't see the difference between the two then I don't know how else to put it.

 

[rcaido]

For the 85th time, if we don't extend Kam, he's not hanging around, helping, being an amazing teammate, use whatever positive spin you want to try to differentiate him from Earl........but it's the crux of this entire discussion.

We're obviously not going to change each other's opinions here because I think what Kam did after the failed holdout is exactly the difference. He never once criticized the team, showed back up to work, said all the right things, and continued to lead the team. The team rewarded him with a third contract because of that. Earl was toxic, left town every chance he could get, criticized the FO in the media and then the team didn't give him a third contract. If you don't see the difference between the two then I don't know how else to put it.

Last i checked Thomas played it out without the contract and got hurt...If anything, i think the holdout of Kam was the cause of me first attitude everyone started to exhibit after the Superbowl lost. We started 0-2 because of Kams holdout in 2015. 2-4 for the first 6 games. Wilson had to carry the team that year w/ one of greatest 2nd half of football ever.

 

[vin.couve12]

Kam didn't "hang around" last year because the Hawks were paying him. He and his wife started a family and a business in Seattle and are staying in Seattle indefinitely.

What happened with Earl and what happened with Kam aren't comparable really, nor are they comparable as teammates. Earl is even pissing off his new teammates, calling them out for not playing, while admitting to quitting on a touchdown play.

What your really doing in your argument is trying to defend one player by bringing down another.

For the 85th time, if we don't extend Kam, he's not hanging around, helping, being an amazing teammate, use whatever positive spin you want to try to differentiate him from Earl........but it's the crux of this entire discussion.

His family staying in Seattle had nothing to do with him being at practice and on the sidelines. Him being on IR and getting his 3rd contract paychecks did. Unlike Earl who was playing out his 2nd contract and not getting a 3rd, or at least not getting the one he wanted.

BIG difference.

If they didn't extend Kam he would have had to relocate to a other city to play for another team. Also, water is wet. What do you hope to accomplish by hanging your hat on this? :lol: Kam is not obligated to stay associated with any team activity.

The behavior of the two players, even in somewhat similar situations, is not comparable.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Kam didn't "hang around" last year because the Hawks were paying him. He and his wife started a family and a business in Seattle and are staying in Seattle indefinitely.

What happened with Earl and what happened with Kam aren't comparable really, nor are they comparable as teammates. Earl is even pissing off his new teammates, calling them out for not playing, while admitting to quitting on a touchdown play.

What your really doing in your argument is trying to defend one player by bringing down another.

For the 85th time, if we don't extend Kam, he's not hanging around, helping, being an amazing teammate, use whatever positive spin you want to try to differentiate him from Earl........but it's the crux of this entire discussion.

His family staying in Seattle had nothing to do with him being at practice and on the sidelines. Him being on IR and getting his 3rd contract paychecks did. Unlike Earl who was playing out his 2nd contract and not getting a 3rd, or at least not getting the one he wanted.

BIG difference.

If they didn't extend Kam he would have had to relocate to a other city to play for another team. Also, water is wet. What do you hope to accomplish by hanging your hat on this? :lol: Kam is not obligated to stay associated with any team activity.

The behavior of the two players, even in somewhat similar situations, is not comparable.

We agree then, it's not comparable. Then why is everyone comparing the two players situations as to why Kam's awesome and Earl's a jerk.

 

[AgentDib]

If anything, i think the holdout of Kam was the cause of me first attitude everyone started to exhibit after the Superbowl lost.

The bad precedent was actually set with Lynch. We reworked some of his guaranteed money with two years left and that opened the doors for others to wonder if they could get the same treatment.

Personally, I don't think holdouts themselves are something to hold against players. It's a business and part of the negotiated CBA includes the penalties for holding out. Similarly, if a team cuts a player that's also fair game provided they follow the letter of the contract and pay out the guaranteed portion. For some reasons fans seem to only support one or the other (real life politics?) when both are perfectly fair and in alignment with the CBA.

Of course players are always responsible for their own behavior, regardless of whether they are holding out or not.

We agree then, it's not comparable. Then why is everyone comparing the two players situations as to why Kam's awesome and Earl's a jerk.

Because it's their behavior that is not comparable, hence why I feel very differently about them.

 

[vin.couve12]

Kam didn't "hang around" last year because the Hawks were paying him. He and his wife started a family and a business in Seattle and are staying in Seattle indefinitely.

What happened with Earl and what happened with Kam aren't comparable really, nor are they comparable as teammates. Earl is even pissing off his new teammates, calling them out for not playing, while admitting to quitting on a touchdown play.

What your really doing in your argument is trying to defend one player by bringing down another.

For the 85th time, if we don't extend Kam, he's not hanging around, helping, being an amazing teammate, use whatever positive spin you want to try to differentiate him from Earl........but it's the crux of this entire discussion.

His family staying in Seattle had nothing to do with him being at practice and on the sidelines. Him being on IR and getting his 3rd contract paychecks did. Unlike Earl who was playing out his 2nd contract and not getting a 3rd, or at least not getting the one he wanted.

BIG difference.

If they didn't extend Kam he would have had to relocate to a other city to play for another team. Also, water is wet. What do you hope to accomplish by hanging your hat on this? :lol: Kam is not obligated to stay associated with any team activity.

The behavior of the two players, even in somewhat similar situations, is not comparable.

We agree then, it's not comparable. Then why is everyone comparing the two players situations as to why Kam's awesome and Earl's a jerk.

Oh, I don't know...maybe all of the video evidence of the things that Earl did that Kam didn't.