Thomas and Sherman, how do you fee about them now?

[SoulfishHawk]

Good point. Someone asked Cliff one day how the LOB would do with the current rules etc. He really had a hard time answering, and you could tell he wanted to say more.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I love ‘em. I wish they were both still here so we had some mouths on this bland team. Bring back Bennett while we’re at it.

As much as I love all these guys, I don't think it would go well the 2nd time around.

All three are diminished players, yet they still all three have the same irritating mouths and attitude. Earl's already wearing on his teammates, Sherm can't go two days without giving his "don't stop doubting us" martyr routine and Bennett just got suspended.

As much as we might miss their talent, we sure as hell don't miss their nonsense disrupting the locker room and undermining Russell. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's playing the best football of his career now that this is HIS team.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You couldn't be more accurate. That describes it perfectly.

 

[Jville]

For me, I think the central figure was Kam Chancellor. He brought the inspiration to the Legion. Without him, it never would have happen. And in the end, it was the power of the league with their ever changing rules that brought a close to that unprecedented once in a life time era.

Glad I had the privilege to witness a making of legends. With legends, it's easy to look past any human flaws.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Without a doubt, Kam seemed to be the glue and the one people looked up to most. Just my opinion, but he did seem to get the most respect from all of them, the big brother basically.

 

[AgentDib]

Also worth pointing out that when Kam got hurt he still stuck around the team. In fact, he just spent a bunch of time at VMAC this last off-season for no reason other than to mentor some of the younger players.

By comparison, Earl was on the first plane to Dallas he could get and never looked back other than to nurse his grudge.

Sherman would be a bad idea here based on his public comments about Pete's message being old and tired. I think he needed the change of scenery.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Also worth pointing out that when Kam got hurt he still stuck around the team. In fact, he just spent a bunch of time at VMAC this last off-season for no reason other than to mentor some of the younger players.

By comparison, Earl was on the first plane to Dallas he could get and never looked back other than to nurse his grudge.

I love Kam, he's my favorite Hawk along with Easley of all time.........but let's not make him out to be some sort of altruistic hero. He hung around last year because we we still cutting him fat paychecks while he spent the entire season on IR.

btw, I believe he's still costing us 10M in dead cap this year.

 

[AgentDib]

I love Kam, he's my favorite Hawk along with Easley of all time.........but let's not make him out to be some sort of altruistic hero. He hung around last year because we we still cutting him fat paychecks while he spent the entire season on IR.

How is that different from Earl, who played all of four games last season on a $10.4m cap hit? Earl certainly didn't feel obligated to hang around and that's my point.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I love Kam, he's my favorite Hawk along with Easley of all time.........but let's not make him out to be some sort of altruistic hero. He hung around last year because we we still cutting him fat paychecks while he spent the entire season on IR.

How is that different from Earl, who played all of four games last season on a $10.4m cap hit? Earl certainly didn't feel obligated to hang around and that's my point.

It's not apples to apples.

The reason Earl was pissed and wanted out is because we didn't give him that fat 3rd contract that Kam got.

So why would he feel obligated to hang around a team that in his mind was disrespecting him by not extending him with the big extension he was looking for? Again, like Kam got.

Kam's awesome, and good for him for hanging around and mentoring some of the younger guys. But make no mistake, if we didn't give Kam that big extension in 2017, he's not hanging around last year either.

 

[Seymour]

Those two players are two of the very best Seahawks ever . Like them or not...no ring without them .

Same could be said for Cable and Bevell since nobody knows who would have stood in their place. :177692:

I don't buy that "they brought us a championship" BS when nobody knows who could have taken their place.

 

[Seahwkgal]

Here’s how I feel about them NOW; :evil: :evil: :49ersmall: ukeface:

 

[Mad Dog]

I love Kam, he's my favorite Hawk along with Easley of all time.........but let's not make him out to be some sort of altruistic hero. He hung around last year because we we still cutting him fat paychecks while he spent the entire season on IR.

How is that different from Earl, who played all of four games last season on a $10.4m cap hit? Earl certainly didn't feel obligated to hang around and that's my point.

It's not apples to apples.

The reason Earl was pissed and wanted out is because we didn't give him that fat 3rd contract that Kam got.

So why would he feel obligated to hang around a team that in his mind was disrespecting him by not extending him with the big extension he was looking for? Again, like Kam got.

Kam's awesome, and good for him for hanging around and mentoring some of the younger guys. But make no mistake, if we didn't give Kam that big extension in 2017, he's not hanging around last year either.

Earl earned 11 million more than Kam did in his Seahawks career, so I'm not sure that Kam's contracts could be described as "fat" comparatively. Earl could have received a third contract but we weren't going to overpay him in his declining years.
Kam's deal sucked for cap reasons but the dude earned every bit of his $48 million we paid him. We got a bargain at the beginning and he got the better of us at the end. I don't feel bad about anything we paid Kam. I would have felt angered if we paid ET what the Ravens did.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I love Kam, he's my favorite Hawk along with Easley of all time.........but let's not make him out to be some sort of altruistic hero. He hung around last year because we we still cutting him fat paychecks while he spent the entire season on IR.

How is that different from Earl, who played all of four games last season on a $10.4m cap hit? Earl certainly didn't feel obligated to hang around and that's my point.

It's not apples to apples.

The reason Earl was pissed and wanted out is because we didn't give him that fat 3rd contract that Kam got.

So why would he feel obligated to hang around a team that in his mind was disrespecting him by not extending him with the big extension he was looking for? Again, like Kam got.

Kam's awesome, and good for him for hanging around and mentoring some of the younger guys. But make no mistake, if we didn't give Kam that big extension in 2017, he's not hanging around last year either.

Earl earned 11 million more than Kam did in his Seahawks career, so I'm not sure that Kam's contracts could be described as "fat" comparatively. Earl could have received a third contract but we weren't going to overpay him in his declining years.
Kam's deal sucked for cap reasons but the dude earned every bit of his $48 million we paid him. We got a bargain at the beginning and he got the better of us at the end. I don't feel bad about anything we paid Kam. I would have felt angered if we paid ET what the Ravens did.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Dib and others are jumping on Earl and declaring Kam a tremendous team player for hanging around.......and I'm telling you all that it's not the same comparison. Kam got his deal, Earl did not.

THAT'S why Kam hung around, and Earl didn't after they both got hurt.

 

[AgentDib]

You're free to have your own opinion of course, but Earl wasn't playing for free that last season. He was playing on the deal - which he got - which made him the highest paid safety in the NFL. And I haven't even brought up the difference in leadership or off-field antics between the two.

 

[Seymour]

Here’s how I feel about them NOW; :evil: :evil: :49ersmall: ukeface:

What "she" said!! :2thumbs:

 

[Sgt. Largent]

You're free to have your own opinion of course, but Earl wasn't playing for free that last season. He was playing on the deal - which he got - which made him the highest paid safety in the NFL. And I haven't even brought up the difference in leadership or off-field antics between the two.

I agree Kam was a better leader, but Earl's teammates here also loved him, and still do because of how hard he prepared and played.

But sorry, saying that Kam was awesome for hanging around last year and Earl sucks because he didn't doesn't work for me. Earl would have been a model teammate hanging around just like Kam if we gave him the deal Baltimore gave him before last season started.

Every single one of Earl's knucklhead nonsense moments over the past year of him being here was a direct reflection of us not paying him.........and let's not forget Kam ALSO held out because he didn't like not getting his deal.

See how that works. Pay a player, and all of a sudden they're an amazing teammate.

 

[AgentDib]

Earl would have been a model teammate hanging around just like Kam if we gave him the deal Baltimore gave him before last season started.

That was after his Cowboys incident. Earl was upset because he wanted the deal redone two years early, not one. If he could have dealt with it more maturely then I fully expect we would have more seriously talked about an extension (although maybe not have agreed on a figure). We also could have worked out a trade that would have benefited both sides.

Every single one of Earl's knucklhead nonsense moments over the past year of him being here was a direct reflection of us not paying him.........and let's not forget Kam ALSO held out because he didn't like not getting his deal.

Holding out is completely fair, it's the flip side of the non-guaranteed contract coin. It would suck but Carson should absolutely hold out next season if he doesn't get an extension.

How you handle the holdout matters. According to Pete, Earl said he was going to play and then changed his mind - conveniently after the draft and FA. Earl also took to the media to complain and publicly criticized the team, neither of which were things that Kam has ever done.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Holding out is completely fair, it's the flip side of the non-guaranteed contract coin. It would suck but Carson should absolutely hold out next season if he doesn't get an extension.

How you handle the holdout matters. According to Pete, Earl said he was going to play and then changed his mind - conveniently after the draft and FA. Earl also took to the media to complain and publicly criticized the team, neither of which were things that Kam has ever done.

Earl did play. He chose the team over holding out, and got hurt. So hard to blame the guy for being pissed off after not holding out, playing and then breaking his leg again.

I'm not defending Earl's antics, I've always criticized him. But you're absolving Kam for holding out and calling him a team player, and I'm explaining why. Dude got his new contract. Period.

No new contract, no Kam hanging around. End of story.

 

[Chapow]

Holding out is completely fair, it's the flip side of the non-guaranteed contract coin. It would suck but Carson should absolutely hold out next season if he doesn't get an extension.

How you handle the holdout matters. According to Pete, Earl said he was going to play and then changed his mind - conveniently after the draft and FA. Earl also took to the media to complain and publicly criticized the team, neither of which were things that Kam has ever done.

Earl did play. He chose the team over holding out, and got hurt. So hard to blame the guy for being pissed off after not holding out, playing and then breaking his leg again.

I'm not defending Earl's antics, I've always criticized him. But you're absolving Kam for holding out and calling him a team player, and I'm explaining why. Dude got his new contract. Period.

No new contract, no Kam hanging around. End of story.

Exactly.

Earl did not miss any games due to a holdout. He played, and was playing like an all pro when his leg was broken.

Kam actually missed games when he was holding out and at the time there were many people saying that his holdout was actually costing us games.

When it came time to suit up, Earl put the team first, Kam did not. Not even sure how that can be disputed.

 

[getnasty]

Holding out is completely fair, it's the flip side of the non-guaranteed contract coin. It would suck but Carson should absolutely hold out next season if he doesn't get an extension.

How you handle the holdout matters. According to Pete, Earl said he was going to play and then changed his mind - conveniently after the draft and FA. Earl also took to the media to complain and publicly criticized the team, neither of which were things that Kam has ever done.

Earl did play. He chose the team over holding out, and got hurt. So hard to blame the guy for being pissed off after not holding out, playing and then breaking his leg again.

I'm not defending Earl's antics, I've always criticized him. But you're absolving Kam for holding out and calling him a team player, and I'm explaining why. Dude got his new contract. Period.

No new contract, no Kam hanging around. End of story.

This.

Earl wanted that deal but played without it, i'm sure Earl would have no problem staying in Seattle maybe for less then the Ravens gave him but once he got hurt that ship had sailed. Hard to blame Earl for being pissed about the whole thing, i would have been pissed too. Worked out for everyone in the end but when your lying on the field with a broken leg in a contract year some doubt might run through your head.