"They Took A Dream"

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1 catch for 3 yds says otherwise. ADB never lacked for confidence.
Quite possibly you're right. I couldn't try to make an argument either way without watching him and his routes in the game.

#3 was excellent at dropping back with his mind already made up, do a figure 8 and bail , missing open guys in the process.

How many times did ADB bail Russell out of horrible,off target throws? I don't know but it was a lot . Haha
 

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We've heard how the play call itself ripped the team apart etc. Reading the deep dive into aftermath has me thinking one new question. Had Pete / Bevil said afterwards it was a bad all etc vs double down, could the team have worked through it?
 

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Some more highlights from the article i.e. Carroll and Wilson...

When Carroll addressed the team at their meeting back in Seattle, he tripled down on the thought process and went as far as to say he’d throw the ball again if presented the same scenario. The room fell silent. Then the culture really started to fall apart.

“You already punched me in my stomach once,” one player told me of his reaction to Carroll’s explanation, “and he just took a knife this time and put it through my soul.”

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Wilson organized a trip to Hawaii for his teammates, with over 30 attendees. He wanted them to hang out and air their grievances in a safe space. It worked for some of the guys. They let it all out on the island and were able to leave the past where it belonged. It didn’t work for everyone, though. And Wilson didn’t make the situation any better by echoing Carroll’s sentiment that he’d run the same play again if given the opportunity. Wilson had every right to share his truth but that’s not a truth anyone wanted to hear, especially if their truth was that doing anything other than handing the ball to Lynch was idiotic and unforgivable. The Hawaii trip was a decent idea, but it was mostly a flop.
I always had a theory that one of the players who didn't get over it was center Max Unger. Traded shortly after all this went down. We hadn't had a center like him in many seasons yet we traded him anyway. Yeah they got Jimmy Graham but lost a toughness and mindset that a team needs .
 

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You can argue that the defense was partially to blame for the loss to the Patriots and you wouldn't be wrong. But I look at the guys who were playing - Kam had a bone bruise in his knee from practice that week, and was told he shouldn't play. Earl had dislocated his shoulder during the Packers game. Sherman had toughed out the NFC championship with a badly injured elbow that required surgery after the season (and Erin was too scared to throw his way regardless of the injury!), and still played the super bowl. He didn't shy away from run support either. Those guys put everything they had out on the field, which is probably why it's so hard for them to let it go. The 28 points allowed, and 10 in the 4th quarter, are certainly part of the story of that game and shouldn't be ignored, but it bugs me when the LOB gets criticized much for it.

"The play" was a terrible one. We hear Macdonald talk a lot about situational football. For all of Pete's strengths, that isn't one of them. He is a believer in each player winning his individual competition. You know Belichick would have had a play designed for that exact situation that they hadn't used all year long. Not the Seahawks! They went for their bread and butter, a play that was on film and that Browner had tipped his teammates off about. I'm not in the "Beast Mode is the only right play" camp....but a designed rollout with a run/pass option would have been far better. Throw it away and then run Marshawn if you need to.
 

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We've heard how the play call itself ripped the team apart etc. Reading the deep dive into aftermath has me thinking one new question. Had Pete / Bevil said afterwards it was a bad all etc vs double down, could the team have worked through it?
Not only could the team have worked through it, but the fans also.

You take accountability for the mistake, you take the L, and all can be forgiven. Instead, you double down on your strategic error, your situational lack of awareness, and it leaves a bitter taste.

It reminds the fan base - you didn't self-scout, you allowed your tendencies to be exploited, you didn't add new wrinkles in the two weeks that you had to prepare, you were outcoached and outplayed.
 
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Oh, and one more thing. For those of you telling us to "get over it", how about don't even click on the thread if you think we should all just "get over it"?

Pet peeve of mine when fans tell other fans how to fan.
Big "with you" on that. Right up there with...this is how you should think...this is how you should feel... It is possible to just ignore it, or state your own case without being a patronizing prig about it.
 

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It sucks for me that in that even if that core never gets to the Super Bowl again after that winning back to back would have put them at a pretty high level when people look back at greatest teams ever. Only the 3 in 4 years type teams would be ranked higher. Thank goodness for 48 and getting the win cause I can't imagine how devastating that loss would have been without a win to to look back on. Just ask Falcons fans I guess
 

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Quite possibly you're right. I couldn't try to make an argument either way without watching him and his routes in the game.

#3 was excellent at dropping back with his mind already made up, do a figure 8 and bail , missing open guys in the process.

How many times did ADB bail Russell out of horrible,off target throws? I don't know but it was a lot . Haha

Most people thought Russ was a sure fire hall of famer for the first 8 or 9 years of his career. It wasn't because he was known for horrible off target throws and being bailed out by ADB.

I get that a lot of Seahawks fans don't care much for Russ at this point, but let's not pretend like he wasn't a damn good QB that routinely made miraculous plays for the Seahawks for nearly a decade. The guy was frickin magician out there.

Yes, Russ has his flaws just like everyone else, and he was far from a perfect QB, but I think a lot of Seahawks fans could stand to watch a few highlight videos from his time here. He was pretty damn amazing more often than not.
 

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Also, you are honestly defending the loss of our first Super Bowl against the Steelers? Seriously? All of those chances you speak of were taken away even if Seattle did capitalize on them.
Nah. We had other opportunities and they were blown. Drops, missed assignments, Shaun Alexander vanishing.
 
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The one question that I never remember hearing PC or Bevell directly asked (maybe it was in the article) was would you still have run a pass play there (or that play) on 2nd down rather than give the ball to Lynch if you had two timeouts remaining instead of one? I've always just assumed that they would have given the ball to Lynch in such a circumstance.
 

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It sucks for me that in that even if that core never gets to the Super Bowl again after that winning back to back would have put them at a pretty high level when people look back at greatest teams ever. Only the 3 in 4 years type teams would be ranked higher. Thank goodness for 48 and getting the win cause I can't imagine how devastating that loss would have been without a win to to look back on. Just ask Falcons fans I guess

Or Bills fans. They went to 4 straight Super Bowls, lost all of them, and still have never won one.
 

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Most people thought Russ was a sure fire hall of famer for the first 8 or 9 years of his career. It wasn't because he was known for horrible off target throws and being bailed out by ADB.

I get that a lot of Seahawks fans don't care much for Russ at this point, but let's not pretend like he wasn't a damn good QB that routinely made miraculous plays for the Seahawks for nearly a decade. The guy was frickin magician out there.

Yes, Russ has his flaws just like everyone else, and he was far from a perfect QB, but I think a lot of Seahawks fans could stand to watch a few highlight videos from his time here. He was pretty damn amazing more often than not.
Yes young Russell was an amazing football player . Unconventional and a big part of the team. I always thought he was kind of corny .
I can't remember if it was the first time he held out or the 2nd, he laid in bed with his wife and said in his best Barry White voice
" Yo Seattle, we got a deal" 😆
 
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Yes young Russell was an amazing football player . Unconventional and a big part of the team. I always thought he was kind of corny .
I can't remember if it was the first time he held out or the 2nd, he laid in bed with his wife and said in his best Barry White voice
" Yo Seattle, we got a deal" 😆

Reminds me of a line from the movie Contact:

“Back home we call that an overcooked ham.”
 

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Got cute..wanted Russ to be mvp...the team was done after that regardless of a few decent reg seasons after. I wanted Carroll fired after that game..unforgivable call imo.
 

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Sorry, I've always been satisfied with Pete's reason for the decision (not wanting to have a timeout dictated in case the run fails).

It was a gut punch for sure, but thinking a play is a sure thing is cousin to thinking a draft pick is a sure thing and shaping your strategy around it. Not a good foundation.

If the Legion would like to beef, they can ask themselves why they gave up 28 points to the Pats. Not an ideal score to beat. Kinda how I feel about the other Super Bowl we lost - the officiating may have been terrible, but I'm a "let's look at the chances we blew" sort of guy.

Feel free to flame me, but that's just how I feel.
Right. It wasn't just one play. I've wondered about the impact of losing Jeremy Lane in the game when both Sherman and Chancellor were not 100%.

Still, the agony is that despite everything that played out, it came down to having quite an opportunity and I can understand Beastmode's viewpoint. This focal point determined the outcome and due to the enormity of what was at stake, this topic will never go away and continue to haunt those players and us fans.
 

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Yes young Russell was an amazing football player . Unconventional and a big part of the team. I always thought he was kind of corny .
I can't remember if it was the first time he held out or the 2nd, he laid in bed with his wife and said in his best Barry White voice
" Yo Seattle, we got a deal" 😆
Yeah, that was corny as hell. And Lockett and I forget which big boy it was APPROPRIATELY and SWIFTLY clowned him for that shit. I think I might be one of the only people that I know that finds genuine harmless absurdity like that kinda endearing 😂
 

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Sorry, I've always been satisfied with Pete's reason for the decision (not wanting to have a timeout dictated in case the run fails).

It was a gut punch for sure, but thinking a play is a sure thing is cousin to thinking a draft pick is a sure thing and shaping your strategy around it. Not a good foundation.

If the Legion would like to beef, they can ask themselves why they gave up 28 points to the Pats. Not an ideal score to beat. Kinda how I feel about the other Super Bowl we lost - the officiating may have been terrible, but I'm a "let's look at the chances we blew" sort of guy.

Feel free to flame me, but that's just how I feel.
You are right. All the anger at one moment out of a thousand. Imagine how mark Andrews feels. Yeah they shoulda ran it. They shoulda ran it three times if they had to, but no matter how many times the game comes down to the last play, it is never lost on one play
 

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