"They Took A Dream"

[Seahawker]

Let it go, it's too much.

 

[Hawkstorian]

Let it go, it's too much.

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Like I said, I was there. I'll let it go when I die.

 

[GemCity]

FML…got me triggered again.

Stats, what happened earlier in the game…blah…blah…you run that motherfuc*er when you have Marshawn BEASTMODE Lynch in that moment.

 

[PhxPhin]

I don't think it's outcome bias

While it's true that if they score it's celebrated, no harm then mostly forgotten, the reality is that the call and everything around it was pretty much nesting everyone to execute on their weakness. It's topical Bevell where something looks good on paper and they forget you need actual players to beat other actual players to make it work and those players matter.

The defensive injuries definitely hurt them. Lane having his leg explode after the interception and Avril going out were huge losses.

NE made some really tough plays - Kam absolutely destroyed and they held onto the ball. On the opposite side you have lockette tripping over air on what would have been an important completion in the middle of the field

It wasn't any one thing that got them to that point, but once they were there and in that situation, they handled it about as poorly as you could

 

[hox]

If you are able to read the entire article it gets worse. Both Carroll and Wilson said they would run the same play again if given the chance.

As you can imagine that didn't go over well.

The fact that Bevell, Carroll and Wilson said they would run the same play again given everything they know in HINDSIGHT, tells me they're obtuse idiots. Sometimes it's better to swallow the pride and just take the L.

Formation & Tendencies

• Seahawks lined up in a 3-WR shotgun set, which:
  • Signaled pass to the defense.
  • Reduced threat of power run.
• They ran a quick slant concept into a crowded middle—one of the highest-risk pass types near the goal line because defenders have less ground to cover.

Did the Patriots See It Coming?​

A. Preparation​

• Malcolm Butler’s post-game comments and film review suggest the Pats had practiced this exact conceptduring the week.
  • In practice, Butler was beaten on it; Belichick & Patricia drilled it into him to jump the route if he saw it again.
  • The formation and WR stack were a tendency tell from Seattle’s film.

B. Brandon Browner’s Role

• Browner, an ex-Seahawk, knew their red-zone concepts and Lockette’s tendencies.
• On the play, he jammed Jermaine Kearse at the line to prevent him from picking Butler, which allowed Butler a clean break to the ball.

Was Pete Carroll Outcoached?​

Clock & Timeout Management

• Belichick notably did not call a timeoutafter Lynch’s 4-yard run to the 1-yard line.
  • This kept the clock running, subtly pressuring Seattle to rush their call.
  • Carroll and Bevell seemed to overthink the “element of surprise” instead of leaning on their strength.

Defensive Readiness

• NE’s situational preparation clearly paid off—they had the right personnel, recognition, and response.
• While not the only factor, this was a textbook example of Belichick’s team being more prepared for a specific look than Carroll’s.

Bad Play Call vs. Bad Execution

Bad Play Call Case:

• High risk / low reward given situation.
• Predictable tendency from formation.
• Doesn’t maximize personnel (you have Beast Mode—use him).
• Pats prepped for it and anticipated the concept.

Execution Issue Case:

• Ricardo Lockette’s route was slow off the line; didn’t fight through Browner’s jam.
• Wilson’s throw was on time but slightly off—perfect for Butler to jump.
• In a perfect execution scenario (no jam, clean slant), it’s possibly a TD.

Balanced View:

It was a risky call that became disastrous because the opponent was specifically ready for it. Even with perfect execution, the risk was disproportionate to the situation’s needs—making it more of a strategic error than a simple fluke.

 

[CPHawk]

We should have ran, no doubt. But…The amount of crying from the LOB, is to cover up the fact they couldn’t cover Edelman.

 

[Streamhawk]

I am as well. Bad ideas all the way around.

Run the ball . If not , option roll out and the WR is Doug freaking Baldwin.

Baldwin wasn’t quite HIM yet. Plus he was blanketed by Revis. And yet still a better option!

 

[hox]

This is a case where the widespread opinion hinges not solely on the decision itself but is inextricably linked with the outcome it produced.

No, the decision itself was pretty horrific given the full context.

 

[pmedic920]

Why?

Why every time I burry this memory……

 

[seabowl]

By far the most overlooked part was Bill Belichick not calling a timeout and letting the clock run down. If Seattle scores there, he looks like an absolute fool, and they at that time would’ve said that was one of the worst decisions that they have seennot to call a timeout. Fact is Belichick totally got lucky in this situation.

 

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[Aircrew]

Sorry, I've always been satisfied with Pete's reason for the decision (not wanting to have a timeout dictated in case the run fails).

It was a gut punch for sure, but thinking a play is a sure thing is cousin to thinking a draft pick is a sure thing and shaping your strategy around it. Not a good foundation.

If the Legion would like to beef, they can ask themselves why they gave up 28 points to the Pats. Not an ideal score to beat. Kinda how I feel about the other Super Bowl we lost - the officiating may have been terrible, but I'm a "let's look at the chances we blew" sort of guy.

Feel free to flame me, but that's just how I feel.

I'm with you, Montana. And for the record, I have Superbowl XLIX "Should have given it to Marshawn" fatigue. Get over it, fellas. Some of us are starting to resemble a soyboy who can't move on from a breakup and his ex dating someone new. Lick your wounds and keep fighting.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Sorry, I've always been satisfied with Pete's reason for the decision (not wanting to have a timeout dictated in case the run fails).

It was a gut punch for sure, but thinking a play is a sure thing is cousin to thinking a draft pick is a sure thing and shaping your strategy around it. Not a good foundation.

If the Legion would like to beef, they can ask themselves why they gave up 28 points to the Pats. Not an ideal score to beat. Kinda how I feel about the other Super Bowl we lost - the officiating may have been terrible, but I'm a "let's look at the chances we blew" sort of guy.

Feel free to flame me, but that's just how I feel.

Not flaming, but why would anybody ask themselves why they gave up 28 points to the Pats when the entire secondary was riddled with injuries? If the secondary was healthy then yeah, ask away. The Pats should have crushed us in that Super Bowl and the fact that we should have won makes the loss all that much worse.

Also, you are honestly defending the loss of our first Super Bowl against the Steelers? Seriously? All of those chances you speak of were taken away even if Seattle did capitalize on them. The NFL was not going to let the Seahawks win that game. I'm not a Stephen A Smith fan, but he had a good article on Seattles 200+ yards of penalties and all of the plays they got robbed on. You don't have a head referee apologize to your team, openly admitting he swayed the game, and say "look at the chances we blew".

 

[pittpnthrs]

By far the most overlooked part was Bill Belichick not calling a timeout and letting the clock run down. If Seattle scores there, he looks like an absolute fool, and they at that time would’ve said that was one of the worst decisions that they have seennot to call a timeout. Fact is Belichick totally got lucky in this situation.

I disagree. I thought it was smart not to call the timeout. Why give the other team time to prepare? Make them either rush and hurry or call the timeout. Bill knew Carrol would panic and he folded like a cheap tent under a situation he didn't know what to do with.

 

[MORGULON]

Baldwin wasn’t quite HIM yet. Plus he was blanketed by Revis. And yet still a better option!

I saw an interview with Baldwin and he was emphatic that he had gotten open all day but wasn't targeted . I know all wr say that but it makes me wonder.

That play ruined the team.

 

[Streamhawk]

I saw an interview with Baldwin and he was emphatic that he had gotten open all day but wasn't targeted . I know all wr say that but it makes me wonder.

That play ruined the team.

1 catch for 3 yds says otherwise. ADB never lacked for confidence.

 

[AROS]

Some more highlights from the article i.e. Carroll and Wilson...

When Carroll addressed the team at their meeting back in Seattle, he tripled down on the thought process and went as far as to say he’d throw the ball again if presented the same scenario. The room fell silent. Then the culture really started to fall apart.

“You already punched me in my stomach once,” one player told me of his reaction to Carroll’s explanation, “and he just took a knife this time and put it through my soul.”

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Wilson organized a trip to Hawaii for his teammates, with over 30 attendees. He wanted them to hang out and air their grievances in a safe space. It worked for some of the guys. They let it all out on the island and were able to leave the past where it belonged. It didn’t work for everyone, though. And Wilson didn’t make the situation any better by echoing Carroll’s sentiment that he’d run the same play again if given the opportunity. Wilson had every right to share his truth but that’s not a truth anyone wanted to hear, especially if their truth was that doing anything other than handing the ball to Lynch was idiotic and unforgivable. The Hawaii trip was a decent idea, but it was mostly a flop.

 

[AROS]

Oh, and one more thing. For those of you telling us to "get over it", how about don't even click on the thread if you think we should all just "get over it"?

Pet peeve of mine when fans tell other fans how to fan.

 

[GeekHawk]

The only thing that I got out of that is that bevel is still a delusional, stupid MF and was only in the position to make that stupid, delusional play call because of getting his fat pulled out of the fire by the D so many times in his tenure here. Otherwise we would have had an OC with at least one foot in reality.

 

[James in PA]

The one thing that always helps me get through that horrible memory: We were lucky AF to be there in the first place. The crazy series of events that had to take place towards the end of the NFCCG 2 weeks earlier should not be overlooked.