chris98251":26zkm3ls said:
NINEster":26zkm3ls said:
chris98251":26zkm3ls said:
Okung, Thomas, Irvin all have really sucked butt, we get you, Seahawks Front office can't compare to the 49ers, best go back to the Webstoned.
Can't Imagine why the Raiders would even have signed Irvin since he was so bad and such a Bust.
I said 2013 draft, and defense....it's all there for you to see.
Don't go back to 2010 and make it offense and defense.... :stirthepot:
Lazy, very lazy debating. You feel the home field advantage should be enough to dismiss Baalke as anything but total garbage just because you say so.
It's all or nothing here.......people are either amazing or garbage. Nobody can ever be a 7 or 8 out of 10.
He's good but overrated a bit. His first round picks (whenever he's had a first round pick) haven't been all that noteworthy. Is Bruce Irvin the pinnacle of first rounders? Because these trades for Harvin and Jimmy Graham weren't exactly groundbreaking.
Show me where it says 2013? It is all there for everyone to see, back peddle or back stroke back that ass up as fast as you can.
A mix up of me talking about Borland and Lynch as 3rd , 4th, 5th rounders that are/were really good. I said defensively Baalke has been better since 2013, and there's no changing that part from me unless Frank Clark turns into the next Reggie White.
But ok, we can play this any way you want.....no need for back pedaling:
Earl Thomas - an amazing player, but also a very high pick. Same year SF picks up two top OL who put in good years of service for the team. Ok, I'll give this one to you since Thomas is still on the team.
Okung - His greatness depends on the thread. Naturally he's awesome for this particular discussion but his worth in free agency a few months ago tells a different story. Another high pick.
Irvin - A good player picked in the first round, perhaps overdrafted. A redraft would have Wagner ahead of him, and Wilson too as much as I hate to admit it. But he's off the team.......so you decide whether that matters or not (think of Aldon Smith, Chris Culliver, Michael Crabtree and a slew of other Niners playing for other teams).
The comment was made regarding trading 1st rounders for other players..........Percy Harvin, Jimmy Graham. On other offenses these moves might have made sense but not Seattle. You let me know if you wish to continue on these particular two......two guys who were supposed to make the Hawk offense practically unstoppable just by their additions.
You see, you come over to the Zone and the worst thing John Schneider would ever get is "overrated". Not garbage, POS, etc. Even legitimately bad FO execs and coaches rarely get called out as terrible as anything 49er gets called out over here.
We rate players on a scale of 1-10..........not so much Great/Terrible.
There is no real subjective strength/weakness analysis on how good Russell Wilson, LOB, Carroll, Schneider really are. It's most of the time, "they're so awesome, we're lucky to have them....other teams wish they had them" and that's it. You either believe Wilson is this unbelievable QB or he's not........no real fine analysis of his strengths and weaknesses, just that he wins games, and would do so in any situation and any team.
Such counterparts evaluated by Niner fans of their own players are way more nuanced.....in 2012 it certainly wasn't "Kap/Bowman/Willis/Aldon Smith/Justin Smith/Harbaugh/baalke are the greatest combo ever!!". You had guys questioning Patrick Willis because he wasn't QUITE the monster he was in 2009. Still probably top 2-3 LB in the league in 2011-2013, and top 5-6 in 2014, but if he was a Seahawk he would have been untouchable till the end.
I come here to actually get some unique perspective, believe it or not. The fact that the 49ers were the most winning team in the league from 2011-2013 means they had to have some well above average combination of GM, HC and talent, but that much never quite was acknowledged here.
A 2015 Seahawks would be considered better on here by most than any of those Niner teams.
Fact.
