The 2016 Seattle Mariners (Official season edition)

[hawksfansinceday1]

I can't understand why some of you thought it was going to be ok when we lose SP's and keeps using a [email protected] is no team in baseball that will win doing that

Well Bozo actually got a save last night, but it wasn't easy. 2nd guy up doubled meaning the tying run was in scoring position. Not a major league closer IMO.

 

[Sports Hernia]

I thought I was seeing things when that fan ran onto the field during the play. Too bad the ball didn't clock the jackass. I thought it was a chick the way he was running.

Wait that wasn't an ugly unathletic girl?

LOL, no, just an ugly unathletic guy!

 

[IndyHawk]

I can't understand why some of you thought it was going to be ok when we lose SP's and keeps using a [email protected] is no team in baseball that will win doing that

Well Bozo actually got a save last night, but it wasn't easy. 2nd guy up doubled meaning the tying run was in scoring position. Not a major league closer IMO.

He gets saves but he blows a lot and like you said "it wasn't easy"I dunno if it ever has been with that guy.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Karns has been moved to the rotation. Dont mind it if we get 3 solid innings from him

 

[sutz]

Was kind of hoping they'd leave Diaz in for the 9th. Cishek made it a bit interesting but held on.

Good game overall.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Karns has been moved to the rotation. Dont mind it if we get 3 solid innings from him

I think you mean to the pen.

 

[hawkfan68]

Oh no Miley's back...not a good thing. He's already gracing us with another crappy outing.

 

[Seahaaaawks]

Oh no Miley's back...not a good thing. He's already gracing us with another crappy outing.

You never know who your going to get with Miley. Tonight is bad Miley. He made it to the 4th, call it a night. Quality start.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

Miley has always been a gas an, nothing has changed. He's a #5 starter at best. Luckily for him he will continue to start because we are so thin in the rotation.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

Until we get healthy, this team just isn't good. It's that simple. If we can hang within a game or two of .500 by the all-star break that will be a win for this team.

With how deep the AL is, I have a tough time seeing us making the playoffs. We aren't even the second best team in our own division. Then add in three really good teams in the AL East and the defending champion Royals, it will be tough getting the wildcard.

 

[Thepeelsessions]

Ugh, Servais' rookie mistakes are painful to endure. Roach coming in first for relief after Mileys predictable and typical performance? Really, Servais? Come on, Scott! You don't go to Roach when you're trying to make a comeback here. Roach is What is. A below average big league arm. There's a reason he's been on a plethora of teams and struggled in Tacoma. This is ridiculous.

 

[kearly]

If Walker is really back, then it's time to find a team that will take Miley's contract off the Mariners hands.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

If Walker is really back, then it's time to DFA Miley.

With Walker back and starting tomorrow, Karns has been moved to the bullpen. LeBlanc gets the nod on Friday. As much as I'd love to get rid of Miley, who would we replace him with? Karns isn't any better.

So far the two offseason additions to the rotation have not worked out. However neither of the trades are looking that bad. Carson Smith is done for the year with Tommy John surgery, and Elias hasn't done much. Logan Morrison and Brad Miller have been pretty pedestrian for Tampa and Farquar has been bad which is why he's spent most of his time in the minors this season.

I'm trying to be as optimistic as I can about this team, but it is hard to see a real bright future for the current team. We are the oldest team in the league (I believe we are tied with the Royals), we are suppose to be winning now, and we aren't. And we have little to no farm system. The M's are in a tough spot because we either need to sell out and try to win now, or blow it up and start over. That would likely mean dealing a comination of Felix, Cano and Cruz. I don't see them selling, even if we are out of the playoff race by the deadline. I think Dipoto holds onto his cards and goes for it next year....whatever that means.

 

[kearly]

Karns is significantly better than Miley. Before being demoted, Karns was one of the team leaders in WAR. Miley currently has a WAR of 0, and that was before he got shelled today. After the numbers update, Miley will likely have a negative WAR for the season.

LeBlanc is also (probably) better than Miley, and the Mariners got him for a bag of Doritos.

Miley has been exactly a replacement level pitcher this year, and for his career he's never really been all that great. It would be harder to get a team to eat some of his salary than to replace him- finding another Wade LeBlanc isn't really all that hard. Seattle should try and see what they can get in terms of cash relief for Miley while they still can.

Miley isn't just costing the team money in 2016, he's also under contract for 2017 and he's not cheap either. Anyone want to see Miley back next year for $8.75 million? Me neither.

Honestly, it's harder for teams to admit mistakes when it's a player they traded for. Prospect Chris Taylor and Free Agent Nori Aoki have been shown the door already, whereas Lind and Miley are still getting plenty of playing time, despite all of them playing at replacement level. Something about trading for players makes both fans and GMs irrationally invested in the outcomes of those players. If Miley were a free agent signing or a prospect I'm guessing he wouldn't have lasted this long.

 

[kearly]

I'm trying to be as optimistic as I can about this team, but it is hard to see a real bright future for the current team. We are the oldest team in the league (I believe we are tied with the Royals), we are suppose to be winning now, and we aren't. And we have little to no farm system. The M's are in a tough spot because we either need to sell out and try to win now, or blow it up and start over. That would likely mean dealing a comination of Felix, Cano and Cruz. I don't see them selling, even if we are out of the playoff race by the deadline. I think Dipoto holds onto his cards and goes for it next year....whatever that means.

I said before the year that our lineup would be the best (least bad) we've had in a decade or longer and that the pitching staff was a huge question mark. It's been a weird season in a lot of ways but in terms of the lineup being above average and the rotation being up and down, that's not a surprise to me.

It's really too bad because before June the pitching was actually pretty solid and the Mariners were legitimately one of the best teams in the AL. Unfortunately in baseball even during a long season you can ruin an entire season with just a few weeks of bad play coupled with bad luck. And in fairness to the 2016 Mariners, they are one of the unluckier teams in baseball this season, trailing a division leader that is THE luckiest.

The future of the Mariners isn't great but there are silver linings to be had. Ownership and management have been massively upgraded on every level during the past year. Even if Dipoto still sucks at scouting, he has ownership that will spend money and the right philosophy he needs to find moneyball additions. And with the exception of Miley and Lind, Dipoto has been good at admitting mistakes quickly.

 

[Hawker]

4 against Baltimore at home, then on the road to a red-hot Houston team, then Kansas City. My gawd that is a difficult way to get to the All-Star break when injured.

I'm still waiting for Texas to endure a bad 20-game stretch soon. Most teams have at least one big slump and so far, they're the one team who has been able to avoid it - despite several starting pitchers on the D.L. (and Beltre, for a short while).

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

....Honestly, it's harder for teams to admit mistakes when it's a player they traded for. Prospect Chris Taylor and Free Agent Nori Aoki have been shown the door already, whereas Lind and Miley are still getting plenty of playing time, despite all of them playing at replacement level. Something about trading for players makes both fans and GMs irrationally invested in the outcomes of those players. If Miley were a free agent signing or a prospect I'm guessing he wouldn't have lasted this long.

IMO that fact is all about ego. FAs are just about some cash, but a trade involves tangible "assets". In my eyes that was the most impressive thing when Pete and John dumped Harvin, the obvious willingness to put ego aside and move on for the sake of winning. Very few GMs in any sport are willing to do so.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

I'm trying to be as optimistic as I can about this team, but it is hard to see a real bright future for the current team. We are the oldest team in the league (I believe we are tied with the Royals), we are suppose to be winning now, and we aren't. And we have little to no farm system. The M's are in a tough spot because we either need to sell out and try to win now, or blow it up and start over. That would likely mean dealing a comination of Felix, Cano and Cruz. I don't see them selling, even if we are out of the playoff race by the deadline. I think Dipoto holds onto his cards and goes for it next year....whatever that means.

I said before the year that our lineup would be the best (least bad) we've had in a decade or longer and that the pitching staff was a huge question mark. It's been a weird season in a lot of ways but in terms of the lineup being above average and the rotation being up and down, that's not a surprise to me.

It's really too bad because before June the pitching was actually pretty solid and the Mariners were legitimately one of the best teams in the AL. Unfortunately in baseball even during a long season you can ruin an entire season with just a few weeks of bad play coupled with bad luck. And in fairness to the 2016 Mariners, they are one of the unluckier teams in baseball this season, trailing a division leader that is THE luckiest.

The future of the Mariners isn't great but there are silver linings to be had. Ownership and management have been massively upgraded on every level during the past year. Even if Dipoto still sucks at scouting, he has ownership that will spend money and the right philosophy he needs to find moneyball additions. And with the exception of Miley and Lind, Dipoto has been good at admitting mistakes quickly.

Easily our best offensive lineup in the last decade, but you can probably make a case that this is one of our weakest pitching staffs in the last decade.

It's really too bad about Karns, I was expecting him to be a really good SP. He played really well for Tampa last year. This puts a lot more pressure on Paxton and Walker to perform. Without them, it would literally be Felix and no one else. I still have my worries about Walker as a consistent SP for a full MLB season. He either can't stay healthy or can't be consistently effective on the mound. I've always been a big Paxton fan and I see him as possibly our second best pitcher after Felix.

But if this team doesn't start winning soon, Dipoto will face some tough decisions on what to do with the older guys (Felix, Cruz, and Cano).

 

[Kennedyin92]

Unfortunately I think we would get far less in return for Felix at this point in his career. He's been one of the best Mariners ever, but his career is on a downward trajectory and I think most of the teams in MLB can see it.

 

[Hawker]

The terrible month of June is finally behind us. To end it with a win was nice, but we went 10-18 overall with only 1 series win. Hopefully we get on a nice roll here in July.

Felix may be past his younger, 20-something year old form, but he's still a true #1 starter. I think both Paxton and Walker have the right stuff to take the #1 role in a short couple of years.

As for trades, I think our lineup is one of the best in the league. We're what, 2nd in runs scored per game? If I was Dipoto and wanted to make a push this year, I wouldn't tamper with the lineup one bit. I could see Lind, Zunino and/or O'Malley being traded for a starter.