That final interception was on DK

[kidhawk]

Yep RW wanted more and not less and look how that turned out. WRs always want the ball, that doesn't mean you tip your hand and throw it at one receiver 75% of the time.

Yes Geno makes poor decisions sometimes, just like most QBs. The difference is that most QBs aren't snapping out of shotgun the vast majority of snaps and their OC isn't calling 13 runs to 43 passes in a close game with the run game working.

Geno is 100% being set up for failure because Grubb is making it too easy on defenses to tee off while he's basically telling Geno to make up for his college habits with his rocket arm. There's absolutely no question that his numbers would look much better with an actual NFL offense that utilizes the run and play action game.

Just look what Grubb did when Howell went in vs GB. He had him throwing it almost every play and then he admitted that he didn't change the plan. How anyone doesn't see Grubb as the main problem is beyond me.

Is Grubb perfect? Far from it but at least come up with a better argument than saying how much Howell threw vs Green Bay. What do you expect when we were down like we were?

Genos numbers are fine. Geno is an excellent qb who Grubb is using to his maximum. Geno has one real problem and that is decision making under pressure. Geno makes poor decisions under pressure time and time again. He’s been doing that for years. It predates Grubb so that’s not the reason for it.

Let’s get this one thing out of the way, I like Geno and I think he’s a solid qb who could raise his game to great with better decision making

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

The route DK ran was incredibly awful.

DK half assed it and rounded off and almost look like he was jogging with no sense of urgency.

And yeah if you look at DK on the sideline knows he is guilty of running a shitty and very lazy route.

I am not sure if DK knew he was the primary first read but if he did not know, that is also another problem and it is also a bigger problem.

Geno has probably stopped trusting DK to run routes correctly.

At the end of the day and let’s call it for how it is, it was a poor effort by DK (in which he has ran poorly previously multiple times and cost Seattle games) and not an NFL level route running example.

DK is not without all the blame himself. The pass defense was horrid, horrendous, terrible, awful, ugly, choose whatever words you want to use but Jettas absolutely destroyed Seattle’s secondary, at will, and Darnold was relatively in a clean pocket most of the day.

 

[bigskydoc]

Yes DK loafed. You know what else though. That throw was directly to a defender. He was there the whole time. DK probably thought there was no way it would be thrown to that spot.
It was a bad decision by Geno to throw that ball right to a defender. Especially with three defenders in the area.
The chances that DK comes down with it were next to zero.
The excuse making for Geno is absurd.

That ball was perfectly thrown. It's in the air before DK makes his break, and it lands exactly where DK should be, if he makes the correct break.

His body would have and should have been between the ball and the defender, if he makes the correct break.

The only reason the defender has a play on the ball is because DK didn't make the correct break. At worst, it's a contested catch/ incompletion, if DK does what he is supposed to do.

I thought Geno shared some responsibility until I saw the All-22. The play is designed for DK to be in a specific spot at a specific time, and Geno delivered the ball perfectly. Part of the play design is knowing DK will have his big body in the way, to prevent the defender from making a successful play on the ball, but DK wasn't there.

If DK ran the correct route, the worst possible outcome is a quick incompletion, and the most likely outcome is a quick gainer. Geno put the ball exactly where the play was designed. It wasn't obvious live, but the All-22 tells the tale.

 

[RiverDog]

Geno gets all the hate, but this is the 3rd pick this season(that I know of) that was directly as a result of DK running a lazy route and allowing the defender to undercut him. He was already at the very least half responsible for another one in the game.



I don't understand this. Don't think I've ever seen a vet continually do this and give up picks. How can anyone at this point still defend him? Ok he draws coverage from the defense, well now his lack of want to lost any chance of a win, while Geno stands up on the mic and takes the blame. He's such a waste of elite talent with crap like this. The fact that he did it with the game on the line with a minute left is inexcusable.

Macdonald better give him the Woolen treatment. Speaking of Reek, holy hell. I think him and DK must be sharing notes. We have 2 elite world class athletes who like to day dream in the middle of plays

I'm in this crowd, but at times, I'm reluctant to say as much for fear of being called a hater.

Metcalf got sloppy, should have squared off his route with a sharp, 90 degree cut to the sideline instead of running more of a 45-degree flag route (they used to call it a flag route as they used to have flags instead of pylons to mark the goal line/back corner of the end zone). Geno threw the ball to the right spot, but when the DB saw where he was going with it, cut in front of Metcalf and made an easy pick. Had Metcalf cut like he should have, he would have been in front of the DB, thus preventing him from making the interception.

Metcalf did the same damn thing in the first Niners game, ran a sloppy route that resulted in an interception. That was the one where Geno spiked his Microsoft Surface afterwards on the sideline. I'd have been pissed, too.

 

[PeruHawk]

First interception was on Geno because he should've thrown it away -- but also Noah fant, what the hell are you doing.

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Fant, who had been coming back towards Geno prior to the throw stops and goes back towards the 40 yard line while the defender passes him after being stuck behind him goes to the ball.

It's not a good decision to make this throw, but it wasn't as terrible as when viewed live.

That is what I saw also. Scramble drills the rule is come back to the ball. Looks like Gino expected that, and his receiver was not on the same page. If Fant had come back and made the catch, people would be talking about what a great anticipation throw under pressure that was.

 

[Shane Falco]

I said it in another post. He has stretches in games where he is disengaged.

He pulls a woolen in key moments all too often. It was the same situation in the first 9ers game. We fight back, have the ball at the end of regulation with a chance to win, and he runs a lazy route as if he isnt even expecting to be part of the play. The opening in coverage is obvious and he runs out of it.

And you could see it on his face on the sidelines that he knew he was wrong.

How many other No1 wrs in the league have cost their teams multiple victories?

Love his potential, but between the critical drops and costly errors... let him go and get someone else to take his spot.

I've never even thought about moving on from him til now. I say use the potential out and save nearly $11M or what ever it is and use that cap space on the trenches. Find a number 2 in the middles rounds of this coming draft hopefully. Never thought I'd be saying this tbh.

 

[irfuben32]

First interception was on Geno because he should've thrown it away -- but also Noah fant, what the hell are you doing.

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Fant, who had been coming back towards Geno prior to the throw stops and goes back towards the 40 yard line while the defender passes him after being stuck behind him goes to the ball.

It's not a good decision to make this throw, but it wasn't as terrible as when viewed live.

If Fant continues on the path he is on, (as would reasonably be expected) why would this not be a good decision?

 

[RiverDog]

I said it in another post. He has stretches in games where he is disengaged.

He pulls a woolen in key moments all too often. It was the same situation in the first 9ers game. We fight back, have the ball at the end of regulation with a chance to win, and he runs a lazy route as if he isnt even expecting to be part of the play. The opening in coverage is obvious and he runs out of it.

And you could see it on his face on the sidelines that he knew he was wrong.

How many other No1 wrs in the league have cost their teams multiple victories?

Love his potential, but between the critical drops and costly errors... let him go and get someone else to take his spot.

One thing that should be a positive about Metcalf is that he isn't committing the stupid personal foul/unsportsmanlike conduct penalties that so defined his career up until this season. It could indicate that he's matured, isn't subject to being baited as much as he used to be.

But it could also mean that he's lost his fire, that he doesn't care anymore, at least not like he used to.

I'm of the opinion that good wide receivers are a dime a dozen and that we should not be dedicating a huge number of resources to them. Who were are starting WR's on our Super Bowl teams? Jermaine Kearse and Doug Baldwin. You don't need an all pro WR to win Lombardis. Metcalf is going to want to be extended next season, perhaps a market setting contract. I say no. Trade him and get what we can.

 

[Shane Falco]

^^^ Besides, we have an all pro WR in JSN.

 

[toffee]

Only four people know the answer: Geno, DK, Grubb, and Macdonald, and they are not talking.

 

[RiverDog]

Only four people know the answer: Geno, DK, Grubb, and Macdonald, and they are not talking.

Actually, Geno said it was all on him.

 

[toffee]

Actually, Geno said it was all on him.

Case closed?

 

[RiverDog]

Case closed?

Not as far as I'm concerned. Geno did what a good quarterback should do, take the blame himself and not throw his guys under the bus. Here's what he said:

“It was an interception, man,” Smith told reporters. “Anything you see that goes wrong, put it on me. Anything that don’t look right, put it on me. I threw a pick,” Smith later said in response to a question about the offense’s ineffectiveness over Seattle’s final two drives.

 

[Crizilla]

Not sure if DK goes up and catches the ball if he cuts outward to the sideline. The reality is it was a bad throw but even worse route. How does DK not even go to the empty space near the sideline? With 40 seconds left? Joke. I say move on from both DK and Geno. These guys have been in the league too long for that to happen. Wow watching that in slow mo replay is really bad. It's time to move on from these dudes.

Bumpus on 710 was saying nah it's not DK's fault because he thought the play was dead. I like bumpus but I hope he never coaches the Seahawks

 

[toffee]

DK is hurting his trade value, we don't have many players with trade values, DK used to top that list.

 

[RiverDog]

DK is hurting his trade value, we don't have many players with trade values, DK used to top that list.

Yep. Statistically, he's gone on a real drought. Last week was his first TD reception since the Falcons game in Week 7. He hasn't had a 100+ yard game since Week 4 vs. Detroit. Since Week 4, he's had just one game where he caught more than 4 passes.

 

[Appyhawk]

I could see trying to make a feint to gain space, if you are fast enough to get away with that, but in this case DK changed his route AFTER the ball was in the air. Can't put that on Geno.

 

[SeaWolv]

I'm assuming that some of DK's issues are what lead to JSN's surge and his reduced relevancy.

 

[cymatica]

Is Grubb perfect? Far from it but at least come up with a better argument than saying how much Howell threw vs Green Bay. What do you expect when we were down like we were?

Explain the logic of having your backup QB throw almost 20 passes in a row behind a bottom ranked online. No team does that with their starter no matter what the score is.

Seems like most people are completely oblivious to how that helps the opposing defense and makes it harder on your own offense, for a variety of reasons. Pulling out stats in a vacuum , or saying "Geno should have thrown it away on this play", completely disregards simple things like an opposing linebacker or DE not having to worry about defending the run, they can play a tick faster because they don't have to think

 

[cymatica]

Not sure if DK goes up and catches the ball if he cuts outward to the sideline. The reality is it was a bad throw but even worse route.

How was it a bad throw?