So is Kearse that good or Rice that regressed as a player?
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Johnny":2f3wrpun said:
Those 2 good seasons from Rice are more than Kearse has done in his career thus far. Don't get me wrong... I'm hopeful that Kearse can give us everything Rice did and more. That would be outstanding. What I want to see from Kearse is consistency and progress. He's had a promising start so far, but he could just as easily disappear (just like Rice did at times during his career).
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Rice obviously regressed a lot this year. I'm guessing it was because of his knee. I fully expect that Rice has played his last game as a Seahawk. No way is he worth that money, especially with Tate a free agent.
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Kearse isn't anywhere near what Rice has done in his career, so not sure what this thread is about. Hell, they're not even the same type of receiver. Rice is a big target receiver that can also stretch the field. As of now all that Kearse has shown he's good at is back shoulder catches, and is nowhere near the rout runner that Rice was.
So no, Kearse is not "that good" just yet. But has he improved tremendously? Most definitely.
So no, Kearse is not "that good" just yet. But has he improved tremendously? Most definitely.
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I should have put more caveats in this original post. This isn't about Kearse being "proven" or what have you. This is merely about this year; Rice's production as a downfield blocker may be more than Kearse's, but Kearse is more productive as a target.
I think maybe Rice's knee is just messed up, and I should have noted that Rice was not near 100% at any point in this season. What percentage he WAS at, who can know?
All I was wondering is whether our improvement in the passing game, outside of Wilson actually having a pocket to throw from, is more about Kearse possibly breaking out or about Rice being so broken down that almost anyone on our roster would have been better in his spot.
I think maybe Rice's knee is just messed up, and I should have noted that Rice was not near 100% at any point in this season. What percentage he WAS at, who can know?
All I was wondering is whether our improvement in the passing game, outside of Wilson actually having a pocket to throw from, is more about Kearse possibly breaking out or about Rice being so broken down that almost anyone on our roster would have been better in his spot.
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Rice has banged up knees, and that has a lot to do with the self-inflicted punishment due to his playing style. He's kind of reckless thinking back on some of his more memorable receptions. I've gotten to the point that whenever Russ is dropping a dime to him, I don't even think about whether or not he's going to catch it. I'm kind of shocked when he doesn't come down with the ball to be entirely honest. I don't think he's regressed, as much as his role on the team has. Same goes for everyone else as Pete dials in what is going on.
Kearse is showing that he can be every bit the player Rice is, in terms of what they bring to the table. I'm not sold on his overall skills being as polish as Rice, but he sure can get open. Which is a nice added dimension that I haven't seen (consistently) from a Seahawk WR in a little bit.
If Rice's contract situation isn't changed, and he tkes money somewhere else. That's fine, Kearse is capable.
Kearse is showing that he can be every bit the player Rice is, in terms of what they bring to the table. I'm not sold on his overall skills being as polish as Rice, but he sure can get open. Which is a nice added dimension that I haven't seen (consistently) from a Seahawk WR in a little bit.
If Rice's contract situation isn't changed, and he tkes money somewhere else. That's fine, Kearse is capable.
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Well i think that kearse is doing well.
I also think that sidney has regressed.
But the fact people are over looking is Kearse is in the SLOT. NOT flanker.
I think he has only done that one time.. maybe 2. there fore he is getting the nickle corners.
someone with more give a **** then me should look it up.
I also think that sidney has regressed.
But the fact people are over looking is Kearse is in the SLOT. NOT flanker.
I think he has only done that one time.. maybe 2. there fore he is getting the nickle corners.
someone with more give a **** then me should look it up.
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Not fair to compare the two in my opinion. It's possible that both of them are pretty good.
Kearse has been a favorite of mine all year, hoping he would get more time. He just looks like a WR out there, and with experience and chemistry, his production will only increase.
Rice has always been an incredible talent. He is a textbook definition of a WR. However, his problem his entire career has been he is made of glass. This is why it was an absolute mistake to bring him to Seattle. He can never stay ehalthy. Unfortunately, the same is true of Percy, although Percy has much more upside. Percy is one of the most dangerous weapons in football, but the guy is also made of glass. The draft picks and money given up for Percy were too much in my opinion. And it isn't a mystery that both Rice and Percy played under Bevell. It looks like he went to what he is comfortable with and argued for both of these players. That is typically a mistake --overpaying for what you feel comfortable with, instead of looking for deals everywhere. It's still up in the air if Percy pans out or not, but if he follows his traditional trend, he will be in and out of injury his entire stay with the Hawks.
Kearse on the other hand is a steal. A cheap steal. He is not as talented as Rice/Percy, but he makes up for it with smart route running, chemistry with the QB and hard work.
Kearse has been a favorite of mine all year, hoping he would get more time. He just looks like a WR out there, and with experience and chemistry, his production will only increase.
Rice has always been an incredible talent. He is a textbook definition of a WR. However, his problem his entire career has been he is made of glass. This is why it was an absolute mistake to bring him to Seattle. He can never stay ehalthy. Unfortunately, the same is true of Percy, although Percy has much more upside. Percy is one of the most dangerous weapons in football, but the guy is also made of glass. The draft picks and money given up for Percy were too much in my opinion. And it isn't a mystery that both Rice and Percy played under Bevell. It looks like he went to what he is comfortable with and argued for both of these players. That is typically a mistake --overpaying for what you feel comfortable with, instead of looking for deals everywhere. It's still up in the air if Percy pans out or not, but if he follows his traditional trend, he will be in and out of injury his entire stay with the Hawks.
Kearse on the other hand is a steal. A cheap steal. He is not as talented as Rice/Percy, but he makes up for it with smart route running, chemistry with the QB and hard work.
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To the original question, it is possible Rice has regressed due to his many leg injuries. It is also possible that before his season ending injury, he was still working his way back into form after his knee procedure during training camp.
What I do know with near certainty is that Rice has never been used by us/Wilson as he was with Favre in Minnesota. Favre was so confident of Rice's ability to make the catch, he often threw to Rice regardless of whether he was 'open', and more often than not, Rice came down with the ball. One only has to look at his targets to see that the same level of trust doesn't exist with Wilson. In case this point is argued, look at the number of times Wilson has thrown the ball to Tate in the past two years where Tate wasn't 'open' and needed to fight for the ball.
The one distinct time I remember Wilson throwing the ball up for Rice this year was in the Jags game. Wilson threw the ball into double coverage in the endzone, and Rice gracefully split the defenders and came down with it. I hoped we'd see more trust shown by Wilson where Rice is concerned, but for any number of reasons, it didn't materialize.
A receiver is only as 'dominant' as his QB allows him to be. How brutal have Fitzgerald's numbers been over the last few years? If Fitz had an Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning throwing to him over the past couple years, what do you think his numbers would have looked like?
On a related note: I'm grabbing Rice in my fantasy football dynasty leagues. I fully expect the Hawks to cut Rice at the end of the year. Assuming he can get healthy in the offseason, I also expect to see the NE Patriots sign the athletic, 6'4", (then) 28 year old in the offseason to a 3 or 4 year contract, and his numbers skyrocketing back to where they were under Favre (See Randy Moss).
What I do know with near certainty is that Rice has never been used by us/Wilson as he was with Favre in Minnesota. Favre was so confident of Rice's ability to make the catch, he often threw to Rice regardless of whether he was 'open', and more often than not, Rice came down with the ball. One only has to look at his targets to see that the same level of trust doesn't exist with Wilson. In case this point is argued, look at the number of times Wilson has thrown the ball to Tate in the past two years where Tate wasn't 'open' and needed to fight for the ball.
The one distinct time I remember Wilson throwing the ball up for Rice this year was in the Jags game. Wilson threw the ball into double coverage in the endzone, and Rice gracefully split the defenders and came down with it. I hoped we'd see more trust shown by Wilson where Rice is concerned, but for any number of reasons, it didn't materialize.
A receiver is only as 'dominant' as his QB allows him to be. How brutal have Fitzgerald's numbers been over the last few years? If Fitz had an Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning throwing to him over the past couple years, what do you think his numbers would have looked like?
On a related note: I'm grabbing Rice in my fantasy football dynasty leagues. I fully expect the Hawks to cut Rice at the end of the year. Assuming he can get healthy in the offseason, I also expect to see the NE Patriots sign the athletic, 6'4", (then) 28 year old in the offseason to a 3 or 4 year contract, and his numbers skyrocketing back to where they were under Favre (See Randy Moss).
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I have definitely noticed that Kearse doesn't fall down NEARLY as much as Rice did...especially when he doesn't need to.
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Sidney Rice has been clutch and it comes with experience and skills. He also has a great mental acumen. For a guy like Sidney Rice to be a team player when he was so successful in Minnesota speaks a lot about his maturity. Kearse is still growing, I am sure he can become one and he is not clutch yet. I think when the game is on the line, I would prefer Sidney to be there more than Kearse for now.
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If the last major thing Rice accomplishes here is being the best and most clutch receiver for the magical 2012 team, then I will still forever be grateful that we signed him. People probably also overlook the fact that he has been the de facto tutor for Bevell's playbook in the wide receiver room. If healthy, I absolutely think he could excel in NE, NO, or any number of places. If he ends up leaving our team, I sincerely hope it's outside both the division and the conference. Seeing him lined up in the same offense with Fitz, Crabtree, B. Marshall, Megatron, Colston, etc. would be a terrifying sight.
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Rice was my favorite receiver coming out of college for some reason. He was a #1 guy for Minny and the year he had with Farve was a beauty. But damn he took a lot of hits.rideaducati":2cprbgyl said:
Fast forward a few years and it's not a surprise Rice is done. Rice would fall down for no reason most of the time.
Chop Chop has been a pleasant surprise after a year of wondering what he was doing on the team. He's great at stretching the field and going up to get the ball, but his short game hasn't stood out. Still, I'll eat crow and continue to say how excited I am to see him starting.
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BigMeach":1t6stoip said:
I think this is probably the right answer, and the most reasonable answer.
That said, as for the OP, if forced I think it's probably a little bit of both. Kearse has looked really good, and Rice has never been that good. The Hawks really overpaid for one flukey year of big production from Rice during which Favre was hucking the ball all over the field. Friggin Visanthe Shiancoe had 11 TDs for the Vikes that year. :lol: Rice was never that special, IMO.
