Short yardage issues

[keasley45]

Agreed. It's not all Grubb. Geno had a wide open TE and flat out missed him for the touchdown. If he hits it does Grubb suck? It appears he called the right play there yet we didn't execute. It's hard to take the Grubb sucks seriously if someone NEVER mentions execution. I also saw multiple running lanes wide open for Walker and he missed them and ran into defenders. I love Walker but he didn't execute multiple times either.

Now Grubb needs to get better. I'm a fan of Grubb but he has to figure something out and get these guys into better positions to win.

Matty also said Pete's defense was perfect and there was nothing wrong with the scheme when literally everyone else who broke down the tape said Seattle was stale. I take what he says with a grain of salt. He's also been horribly wrong on multiple players over the years. His opinion is no better than anyone else just because he knows formations.

We are getting yards and occassionally moving the sticks on plays and sequences that still too often suck. Just because they 'work' doenst make them good.

I dont recall anyone saying what Pete was trying to run over the last dew years as being stale. Wyman covered this a few times - that it simply wasnt true that the hawks defense hadnt evolved. It was more a function of the players not getting it - whether due to coaching or brains. Matty and Griff also spoke to that and broke down film a few times about how the plays were poorly executed.

Paul Moyer also pushed back quite a bit on the notion that Pete hadnt change and thatbif anything, what he was trying to do under Hurtt was maybe too complex because the players couldnt get it. Thats the OPPOSITE of what it was 2010 to 2019 or so when it began to shift more.

And missed open players on occassion are an exceptionnit the rule. Same with the running lanes.

Grubb's plays, timing of the plays, lack of variety, lack of feel for situations, go beyond a missed opportunity here and there.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Outside of Geno's playstyle, it's likely that it also is a coaching preference. Grubb is an aerial OC, I could imagine him telling his quarterback to stick in that pocket for as long as he can to try to push the ball downfield rather than looking to bail.

Yes - that's true - Grubb did say the other week: "We're a shotgun team. Period."

I wouldn't expect any learning or adjustments to be forthcoming.

 

[Ozzy]

We are getting yards and occassionally moving the sticks on plays and sequences that still too often suck. Just because they 'work' doenst make them good.

I dont recall anyone saying what Pete was trying to run over the last dew years as being stale. Wyman covered this a few times - that it simply wasnt true that the hawks defense hadnt evolved. It was more a function of the players not getting it - whether due to coaching or brains. Matty and Griff also spoke to that and broke down film a few times about how the plays were poorly executed.

Paul Moyer also pushed back quite a bit on the notion that Pete hadnt change and thatbif anything, what he was trying to do under Hurtt was maybe too complex because the players couldnt get it. Thats the OPPOSITE of what it was 2010 to 2019 or so when it began to shift more.

And missed open players on occassion are an exceptionnit the rule. Same with the running lanes.

Grubb's plays, timing of the plays, lack of variety, lack of feel for situations, go beyond a missed opportunity here and there.

Moyer and those guys love Pete so I think they were a little kind to him out of respect. I know you love Griff and Matt and I appreciate what Griff does but over the years I've learned that they've been dead wrong on multiple things I took as fact because they sounded like they knew exactly what they were saying. I still really respect Griff and his opinion but he isn't infallible and has been wrong plenty of times, as we all have. Our defense got worse year after year even with almost all of our resources getting thrown at it.

I would say stale and not evolving are sort of the same thing. We had multiple players come out and say playing Seattle during the later Pete years was easy because you knew exactly what they were going to do on every play. Sam Howell actually said this to his local radio station.

I would agree that towards the end they would mix in more stuff but the overall theme was the exact same and that was evident by the same areas of the field being exploited against a Carroll defense game after game, year after year. Murph did some videos on it as did others.

 

[Chukarhawk]

You all are acting like our short yardage issues just started this season. We have sucked at it for years. Geno makes that throw to the TE who was wide open were not even having this conversation. When you are the worst run blocking team in the NFL this is what you're going to get. Fix the O-line.

Wow, I just looked up our redzone efficiency. Would it surprise you that we are ranked 12th in the League? and we have improved from 48% in 2023 to 56% in 2024? in the last 3 games we are at 71%.

 

[Chukarhawk]

I have noticed that too. If ADB had DKs physique he would have set every record known to man.

It doesn't help when the ball is thrown too low, which I have seen a few times by Geno, but DK just does not have that elite sense of space, timing and body control, to say nothing for his hands and insistance on catching the ball with his body.

The one connection he had from Geno up the sideline was nice though...

That was the definition of a perfectly thrown ball. Absolutely a thing of beauty. it's what Makes Geno so frustrating. Elite talent.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

On some plays, he does look elite. On many, he doesn't. Extremely frustrating player to watch.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Saw some talk we may use Byron Murphy as a fullback/leadblocker in those situations going forward. Apparently did it well at Texas.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep, he was solid at it.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Considering how surprisingly unsuccessful the goal-line fade is to someone of DK's size and strength, I wouldn't mind that play being shot into the sun either.

Any play requiring DK to make a contested catch should be shot into the sun. His special skill is turning a 50/50 ball into a 20/80 ball the wrong way

 

[JPatera76]

On some plays, he does look elite. On many, he doesn't. Extremely frustrating player to watch.

will tukuafu was in a few times at fb iirc for us as well.. however its sad that we have to use our DT who's a stud and risk injury

 

[Sperrydogg]

So use that to distract the defense!

We are always in jumbo and then he motions a tight end over to where is going and they run behind him. Like tipping your pitches

 

[Sperrydogg]

The thing that's even more stupid than not doing the sneak is going hurry-up on 4th and short out of an empty set.

I was having flashbacks from the last play in our SB loss but Grubbs decisions are even dumber. At least Russ presented the threat of running. We went hurry up and telegraphed that we were throwing, no threat at all of a run. Defense just rushed 5 and that was that. No chance.

We have Walker and Charbs that they could line up in splits.

We could line up a FB and Walker in an I and PA... off of it.

We could roll Geno out...

Anything. But THAT BS?

Psshh

Yeah they did run hurry out of empty and then motioned the running back behind the line…. Nobody look we’re not running I swear….

 

[Sperrydogg]

I swear, Mac needs to call Schotty and pay him whatever he wants for the playbook he ran here.

Grubb just isnt ist. The plays we run are DOA, unless you get Geno and JSN hooking up on some improv occassionally.

Most throws to Dk look forced and if they are short yardage, he looks disinterested and either runs soft routes or is covered like a glove.

M Brown and Griff touched on how when we DO get a big pass play, its usually because the qb is working outside the play.

Its not often we drop back and hit something other than a dig, slant or out on the first or second read.

There simply just isnt much there.

It’s crazy how we will run a great play to the tight end and then not see him again for three quarters

 

[Sperrydogg]

Considering how surprisingly unsuccessful the goal-line fade is to someone of DK's size and strength, I wouldn't mind that play being shot into the sun either.

I hate goal line fades

 

[GetNjigbaWithIt]

To quote the great Metallica: Sad, but true.

To quote James Hetfield "Yeeaahh!"

 

[GetNjigbaWithIt]

After seeing them unable to get 1 yard on so many tries, I can now be sold on the "send Grubb back to college" argument. Wasn't just this game either.

I'll say it again, I'd like to see Doug Pederson brought in. It almost makes too much sense. Washington native, has shown the ability to call a balanced offense, helped Alex Smith & Carson Wentz put up excellent numbers, knows how to use a freaking TE, and he's likely done as a HC. If the reports of Arthur Smith were true, then Pederson would probably be the next best thing.

 

[cymatica]

I'm not talking about the O Line, we know they suck. Claiming DK can't high point it is hilarious, to me. Believe what you want, I'm not here to argue.

Lol I know, it was an analogy and the oline run blocking fits perfectly. 9/10 tries he can't high point the ball. Take a poll, you'll be the only one claiming he does. He is not a natural catcher, he is always letting the ball coming to him and catching it with his body, even when he jumps.

If you can find me 2 examples of him high pointing the ball in the last 2 seasons I'd be surprised.

 

[cymatica]

Geno threw the ball 5 yards out of bounds on the fade. And that's DK's fault? It wasn't close to catchable.

On the other hand, that long pass to DK over Sauce was incredible.

No one said that was, we're talking about all the other examples throughout the season, there's plenty

 

[Ozzy]

I think that's why Geno gets people to feel so strongly about him. He does do some "elite" things at times so I can understand people clinging to that as their base.

You all are acting like our short yardage issues just started this season. We have sucked at it for years. Geno makes that throw to the TE who was wide open were not even having this conversation. When you are the worst run blocking team in the NFL this is what you're going to get. Fix the O-line.

Wow, I just looked up our redzone efficiency. Would it surprise you that we are ranked 12th in the League? and we have improved from 48% in 2023 to 56% in 2024? in the last 3 games we are at 71%.

so Grubb isnt terrible then if we’re looking at the numbers. Interesting.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Lol I know, it was an analogy and the oline run blocking fits perfectly. 9/10 tries he can't high point the ball. Take a poll, you'll be the only one claiming he does. He is not a natural catcher, he is always letting the ball coming to him and catching it with his body, even when he jumps.

If you can find me 2 examples of him high pointing the ball in the last 2 seasons I'd be surprised.

I don't care about what a poll says. He absolutely can and has high pointed the ball. I think you're creating something that doesn't exist.
I'm not gonna' be convinced otherwise. It's an opinion, just like yours.
He high pointed a TD in the Miami game. He goes up and grabs balls all the time.

Not worth arguing over. I think he can and does, many don't, big deal. He's a whipping boy for a lot of people, cool.
Again, I've already had a timeout because people had to tattle on me, not going thru that again.
I just wanna' talk football. I miss when we could just talk football on here w/out every single thing being an argument of some sort. I'm not asking you to be a DK fan, you're not required to. Just like the Geno stuff, I'm not required to believe in the guy. I feel strongly about my opinions, just like everyone else. That's still allowed right?