Seattle vs. Atlanta matchups

[Uncle Si]

So, to sum up... Julio vs. the Seahawks, historically, is 6 catches for 59 yards. A game you won (and had a Hall of Fame TE pull you from the fire)

And you needed 4 pages to let Hawks fans no to be weary of such a matchup? Brilliant

Makes as much sense as Ninester saying the Falcons would prefer Graham to Miller.

To sum it up:

Tony Gonzales with 6 catches for 51 yards and 1 td is hardly the reason we won. I'd say the fact that we ran for 167 yards and passed for 250 is why we won.

You've never seen Julio at 100% before. 1v1 he will win far more than he loses. Doesn't matter who the DB is...

Yeah, noone here is ever seen Julio playing football before. have a word with yourself.

Wasn't one of Tony's 6 catches the critical 18 yarder that put you in field goal range after blowing a huge league?

I'd say you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Persistence is adorable though

 

[hawker84]

Ok @pccball12 look up about 5 or so posts. You yourself use the 3.3 ypa as a defenensive rushing stat to bolster your opinion. Good to see you don't use stats and only matchups.

Tell ya what Sui, go back over the last 4 years this defense has been together, a few pieces have come and gone, but same denfense, same core players, Same philosophy, and see what they've done against the best QB's in the game. Brady, Rogers, Rothleisberger, Cam, Manning's, Bree's. That's what we base our predictions on, Same top ranked D for the last 4 years, top ranked again this year so far anyway.

We have years of stats to back our claim, youre team has 4 games against mediocre opponents to back yours. Yes Denver is mediocre with Lynch starting, NO just is, Panthers are clearly not the same team this year. who else you guys played?

Could we lose and have Ryan go off on our D, sure, but based on the last 4 years, it's not likely.

 

[pcbball12]

Seahawks Ranks Offensively

Total Yards/G - 357.5 (16th)
Rush Yards/G - 93.0 (18th)
Pass Yards/G - 265.4 (12th)
Points/G - 19.8 (21st)
Seahawks Ranks Defensivly

Total Yards/G - 264.0 (1st)
Rush Yards/G - 80.3 (7th)
Pass Yards/G - 183.8 (2nd)
Points/G - 13.5 (3rd)
Yes, they still have a great defense but they're not that great. Look at the teams they played. Dolphins, Rams, 49ers and Jets. Look at where those teams rank offensively.

Dolphins

Total Yards/G - 303.8 (29th)
Rush Yards/G - 72.4 (31st)
Pass Yards/G - 231.4 (24th)
PointsG/ - 17.6 (28th)
Rams

Total Yards/G - 284.2 (32nd)
Rush Yards/G - 81.8 (28th)
Pass Yards/G - 202.4 (30th)
Points/G - 16.4 (T-31st)
49ers

Total Yards/G - 291.4 (31st)
Rush Yards/G - 121.4 (8th)
Pass Yards/G - 170.0 (31st)
Points/G - 22.2 (18th)
Jets

Total Yards/G - 351.8 (17th)
Rush Yards/G - 104.4 (13th)
Pass Yards/G - 247.4 (17th)
Points/G - 18.4 (T-24th)
They've faced 4 of the worst offenses in the NFL. No wonder they're nearly ranked #1 in every defensive stat. They should be. It would be an embarrassment if they weren't. But now they're finally facing a legit NFL offense.

Falcons

Total Yards/G - 457.4 (1st)
Rush Yards/G - 124.0 (7th)
Pass Yards/G - 333.4 (1st)
Points/G - 35.0 (1st)

Every argument you guys have come from stats on espn. Football is a game of matchups. I've explained my views on our offense and where it's at and what it's done. Not gonna type it all again. You guys can cling onto those stats until Sunday though.

No different than the die hards on this board clinging to stats of Seahawks being the #1 defense. What are your matchups based on? Watching equal parts Seahawks and Falcons games? Television influence? Hawks bias?

Better yet I will go look and get back to you. Save your weary fingers.

Do I watch the Hawks more in depth than other teams? Obviously. But, I watch about every game there is to watch. And have NFL rewind and watch all 22 of our upcoming opponent every week. I used to do an all 22 breakdown on this board for upcoming opponents a few years back, but rarely post here anymore. Plus, with Quinn going to ATL, I have had a direct interest in your team and follow pretty closely.

 

[pcbball12]

Ok @pccball12 look up about 5 or so posts. You yourself use the 3.3 ypa as a defenensive rushing stat to bolster your opinion. Good to see you don't use stats and only matchups.

I never said I don't use stats, period. I said every argument you guys make is stats based. At least when talking about our offense or defense. You also conveniently left out ATLs defensive statistics in that stats breakdown.

 

[Bobblehead]

One match up that worries me a bit is the bye week.

We might come out sleepy and find us down 0-14 before we know it to a team that's hyped up about beating Denver.. a rudderless Denver never the less, but still a great win away and also hyped up to prove that they are legit by beating the Hawks in our home.

Momentum is on their side I believe even though they are the away team.

We've done this before.

 

[Laloosh]

I can't help but laugh a little... Lot of predictions but none of us know how it plays out. Too early in the season for either fan base to know how the game plays out.

If you were to look at Seattle's offense this time last season, we were on our way to a 2-4 start? Our offense was 28th in TDs scored and our defense was giving up 4th quarter leads. Looked pretty bleak. By the end of the season, the offense was ranked 4th overall, the defense was 1st in scoring and once again, #1 in overall team DVOA.

I understand why ATL fans are stoked and dismissive of what Seattle might do to their team this week but I have to say, we're used to seeing these kinds of arguments from opposing fans and then we don't hear from them after their team loses.

Yes, your team can and may win but my worry meter isn't moved by the Falcons' offense like it is by a balanced Vikings team for example. Just my opinion.

 

[2_0_6]

If for some reason we lose? Meh, good on the Falcons for getting the best of us. Although it would suck, it's not the end of the season by any means. Given that the Rams are in Detroit this week, we could still feasibly be in 1st even if we did lose.

If Atlanta loses it's not a season killer for them either. They have a nice cushion as well.

At the end of the day its a GAME.

 

[Laloosh]

If for some reason we lose? Meh, good on the Falcons for getting the best of us. Although it would suck, it's not the end of the season by any means. Given that the Rams are in Detroit this week, we could still feasibly be in 1st even if we did lose.

If Atlanta loses it's not a season killer for them either. They have a nice cushion as well.

At the end of the day its a GAME.

Absolutely.

 

[mikeak]

We're used to everyone 'reserving judgement' on us until the next game. If the Falcons beat the 'Hawks, they'll be saying the same thing about us again, let's see how they do against San Diego...then Green Bay...etc, etc, etc. It is what it is.

That would be the results of not stringing together two good seasons or even going deep in the playoffs for awhile...

Winning a bunch of close games one year, loosing a bunch the next year doesn't really give you the respect the season after

 

[mikeak]

Ok @pccball12 look up about 5 or so posts. You yourself use the 3.3 ypa as a defenensive rushing stat to bolster your opinion. Good to see you don't use stats and only matchups.

I never said I don't use stats, period. I said every argument you guys make is stats based. At least when talking about our offense or defense. You also conveniently left out ATLs defensive statistics in that stats breakdown.

My eye tells me that opponents are playing safe against Seattle. They worry about the rush and they worry about the corners so they try to dink and dunk over the middle and dump off to RBs. It looks like we are bad at defending on those because we are so strong in the other areas. It looks like we can't get turnovers because opponents are playing safe. That skews the stats

Then we play a team like the Jets and take a decent lead. Suddenly the opponent has to attack downfield and the turnovers were IMMEDIATE. Now it is hard to say if some of that wasn't because well it was Fitzpatrick throwing the ball but to me it was also because the game plan had to change.

So hopefully we score twice quickly and Atlanta doesn't then you have to change your game plan and it will fit right into our hands.......

 

[LeftHandSmoke]

Atl DL/LBs vs Sea RBs: Edge Atlanta
Why: We've been fairly decent against the run for a while now. We give up 18 less ypg than the Seahawks D. Seattle's run game is very suspect this year and let's be real, Christine Michael is your starting RB. [bold]He would be third on our depth chart.[/bold]
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This is what many of us will be watching. CMike has been hitting the hole Rawls to the wall lately. I like his chances to continue doing that.

 

[Seahwkgal]

I see two Atlanta trolls have showed up on our board. :roll:

 

[Bobblehead]

SO if Julio has a bad game, in all probability he's hurt... I get it.

Guess the the excuses are being readied as Julio sits out of practice with knee problems.

 

[davidonmi]

So, to sum up... Julio vs. the Seahawks, historically, is 6 catches for 59 yards. A game you won (and had a Hall of Fame TE pull you from the fire)

And you needed 4 pages to let Hawks fans no to be weary of such a matchup? Brilliant

Makes as much sense as Ninester saying the Falcons would prefer Graham to Miller.

To sum it up:

Tony Gonzales with 6 catches for 51 yards and 1 td is hardly the reason we won. I'd say the fact that we ran for 167 yards and passed for 250 is why we won.

You've never seen Julio at 100% before. 1v1 he will win far more than he loses. Doesn't matter who the DB is...

pretty much all of those Gonzalez catches were conversions on money plays. he had a huge impact in that game.
the biggest reason tho was yes, we were in that year too reliant on clemons to rush the passer and had nothing left in Atlanta after he got hurt

 

[King Dog]

In the words of the great Brandon Browner:
"If that’s where treefidy wants to take it, we’ll take it to smacking him around a couple times.”

 

[Hawks46]

Every argument you guys have come from stats on espn. Football is a game of matchups. I've explained my views on our offense and where it's at and what it's done. Not gonna type it all again. You guys can cling onto those stats until Sunday though.

Every argument I have made is a combination of watching football AND looking at stats.

You want to talk Match Ups?

Atl WRs vs Sea DBs/LBs: Edge to Atlanta.
Why: You HAVE to double Julio. Leaving Sanu, Gabriel, Tamme and Freeman/Coleman to be split between your other DBs. Let's not forget 3 TE sets with Hooper/Toilolo/Tamme, Julio/Sanu and Coleman/Freeman on the field.

Atl DBs/LBs vs Sea WRs: Slight Edge to Seattle.
Why: Trufant will take whoever he is lined up on out of the equation for a majority of the game. Alford is good in coverage but will give up some plays as well as commit some dumb penalties. We've dealt with Graham enough to know how to play him. He may go got 60-80 yards and a TD. I'm 100% okay with that. Your backs might contribute a bit in the passing game, but not enough to make this highly favorable. Baldwin MAY go for 100. Doubt it though.

Atl RBs vs Sea DL/LBs: Edge Seattle
Why: This one will be extremely close. I figure Seattle will hold our run game to under our average game rushing. You will not stop them in the passing game though. Period. Slight edge due to the rushing game not being the deciding factor.


Atl D vs Sea QB: Slight Edge Seattle
Why: Wilson is mobile and Mobile QBs tend to negate our pressure. I see Wilson going for around 250-300 yards passing. 1-2 TDs and No mistakes.

Overall: It's fairly even and I'm not actually going to dare to call this game yet. I will for sure make my pick later in the week. Atlanta gets theirs. Seattle gets theirs. Hell of a game coming up.

Now, see this was what I was waiting for. I deleted stuff I didn't really feel was up for much debate.

As for us "HAVING" to double Julio Jones...why is that exactly ? Your comment about Graham was "He may go for 60-80 yards and a TD." The last time Sherman matched up on Jones, we didn't double. Jones ended up with 70 yards and a TD. I'm 100% ok with that.

You also think Trufant will negate Baldwin, who has been a top 3 WR since last year. He may, but he won't erase him. That said, who do you have that can guard Lockett ? He's one of the best young WR's in the game. Who's going to cover Richardson? He's one of the best route runners in the league, and oh yea, one of the fastest guys in the league who can also win jump balls. Oh, then drop Graham in there. And by the way, our backup TE is 6'5" weighs 255 and runs a 4.5 forty. He's a matchup nightmare vs. most LBers. Ask Arizona. He's scorched them consistently, they have a LBer corps that's universally regarded as better than yours, and they're more familiar with him.

That's why I wanted to talk individual matchups. I know Trufant is good for you guys, we watched his older brother be elite for years up here. He's a WSU Cougar...we don't hate on the guy. But who else do you really have ? Honest question, as our WR corps is deeper and more talented than most people understand.

I also think our DL will stone your OL in the run game. It's what they do, and they do it with 7 guys in the box. We don't need to stack it. The Jets have one of the best run blocking OL's in the league. I know it doesn't matter, as ATL's OL is different personnel, but we also had our best run stuffing DT out that game. So it hasn't been against all weak squads. The Rams' OL isn't bad either. Making teams one dimensional is how we thrive. I don't honestly think we'll get all that much pressure on Ryan unless we do some DL stunts and blitzes that he hasn't seen (entirely possible, as Richard is very creative).

The biggest factor is honestly going to be the weather. The forecast is for rain and 16 mph winds, which isn't really all that inclement. Here's the deal: we have a real screamer coming in on Saturday that's supposed to dump 2 inches of rain with 60 mph winds. Now, that might be already done, or it could cause complications if the weather forecast isn't perfect (like when does ever happen, right?). Say it's shitty weather. Stats aside, I just don't see the Falcons able to win a slug fest with the Seahawks on either side of the ball. We haven't run the ball that great, but that's due to inexperience and injuries. We have a very large and ridiculously athletic OL. If's it's crappy weather, they'll maul fools.

 

[hburn21]

Another big factor will be Nick Varnett returning. With how Caroll talked him up on his blocking ability I really think we'll be able to negate edge pressure.

 

[hawker84]

Every argument you guys have come from stats on espn. Football is a game of matchups. I've explained my views on our offense and where it's at and what it's done. Not gonna type it all again. You guys can cling onto those stats until Sunday though.

Every argument I have made is a combination of watching football AND looking at stats.

You want to talk Match Ups?

Atl WRs vs Sea DBs/LBs: Edge to Atlanta.
Why: You HAVE to double Julio. Leaving Sanu, Gabriel, Tamme and Freeman/Coleman to be split between your other DBs. Let's not forget 3 TE sets with Hooper/Toilolo/Tamme, Julio/Sanu and Coleman/Freeman on the field.

Atl DBs/LBs vs Sea WRs: Slight Edge to Seattle.
Why: Trufant will take whoever he is lined up on out of the equation for a majority of the game. Alford is good in coverage but will give up some plays as well as commit some dumb penalties. We've dealt with Graham enough to know how to play him. He may go got 60-80 yards and a TD. I'm 100% okay with that. Your backs might contribute a bit in the passing game, but not enough to make this highly favorable. Baldwin MAY go for 100. Doubt it though.

Atl RBs vs Sea DL/LBs: Edge Seattle
Why: This one will be extremely close. I figure Seattle will hold our run game to under our average game rushing. You will not stop them in the passing game though. Period. Slight edge due to the rushing game not being the deciding factor.


Atl D vs Sea QB: Slight Edge Seattle
Why: Wilson is mobile and Mobile QBs tend to negate our pressure. I see Wilson going for around 250-300 yards passing. 1-2 TDs and No mistakes.

Overall: It's fairly even and I'm not actually going to dare to call this game yet. I will for sure make my pick later in the week. Atlanta gets theirs. Seattle gets theirs. Hell of a game coming up.

Now, see this was what I was waiting for. I deleted stuff I didn't really feel was up for much debate.

As for us "HAVING" to double Julio Jones...why is that exactly ? Your comment about Graham was "He may go for 60-80 yards and a TD." The last time Sherman matched up on Jones, we didn't double. Jones ended up with 70 yards and a TD. I'm 100% ok with that.

You also think Trufant will negate Baldwin, who has been a top 3 WR since last year. He may, but he won't erase him. That said, who do you have that can guard Lockett ? He's one of the best young WR's in the game. Who's going to cover Richardson? He's one of the best route runners in the league, and oh yea, one of the fastest guys in the league who can also win jump balls. Oh, then drop Graham in there. And by the way, our backup TE is 6'5" weighs 255 and runs a 4.5 forty. He's a matchup nightmare vs. most LBers. Ask Arizona. He's scorched them consistently, they have a LBer corps that's universally regarded as better than yours, and they're more familiar with him.

That's why I wanted to talk individual matchups. I know Trufant is good for you guys, we watched his older brother be elite for years up here. He's a WSU Cougar...we don't hate on the guy. But who else do you really have ? Honest question, as our WR corps is deeper and more talented than most people understand.

I also think our DL will stone your OL in the run game. It's what they do, and they do it with 7 guys in the box. We don't need to stack it. The Jets have one of the best run blocking OL's in the league. I know it doesn't matter, as ATL's OL is different personnel, but we also had our best run stuffing DT out that game. So it hasn't been against all weak squads. The Rams' OL isn't bad either. Making teams one dimensional is how we thrive. I don't honestly think we'll get all that much pressure on Ryan unless we do some DL stunts and blitzes that he hasn't seen (entirely possible, as Richard is very creative).

The biggest factor is honestly going to be the weather. The forecast is for rain and 16 mph winds, which isn't really all that inclement. Here's the deal: we have a real screamer coming in on Saturday that's supposed to dump 2 inches of rain with 60 mph winds. Now, that might be already done, or it could cause complications if the weather forecast isn't perfect (like when does ever happen, right?). Say it's shitty weather. Stats aside, I just don't see the Falcons able to win a slug fest with the Seahawks on either side of the ball. We haven't run the ball that great, but that's due to inexperience and injuries. We have a very large and ridiculously athletic OL. If's it's crappy weather, they'll maul fools.

Actually Julio went for 59 yards and zero TD's even better... :2thumbs:

 

[Largent80]

Well the Atlanta Jonses star player didn't practice Wednesday.

 

[RichNhansom]

So, to sum up... Julio vs. the Seahawks, historically, is 6 catches for 59 yards. A game you won (and had a Hall of Fame TE pull you from the fire)

And you needed 4 pages to let Hawks fans no to be weary of such a matchup? Brilliant

Makes as much sense as Ninester saying the Falcons would prefer Graham to Miller.

To sum it up:

Tony Gonzales with 6 catches for 51 yards and 1 td is hardly the reason we won. I'd say the fact that we ran for 167 yards and passed for 250 is why we won.

You've never seen Julio at 100% before. 1v1 he will win far more than he loses. Doesn't matter who the DB is...

pretty much all of those Gonzalez catches were conversions on money plays. he had a huge impact in that game.
the biggest reason tho was yes, we were in that year too reliant on clemons to rush the passer and had nothing left in Atlanta after he got hurt

That playoff game in Atlanta worked perfectly for Atlanta. We didn't just lose Clemons the week prior. Lynch also sprained his ankle and Haushka (sp) was also injured and didn't play.

All that aside though it was the 2nd week on the road to the east and a 10am start where we always (just like the week before) start slowly. We didn't get playing decent until the second half and scored 28 in that half to take a lead with 31 seconds remaining.

Having no pass rush with Clemons out. Avoiding any field goals longer than an extra point and a final kick off that had no hang time and came down around the 13 yard line put you guys in good field position with a return around the 30 but the real kicker was no pass rush that gave Ryan all day to get into field goal range.

We are full strength this time and starting at our normal 1:00 kick off.

I like our chances at home this week. Not saying it's a guaranteed win but I like our chances better than the playoff game when Wilson was a rookie.