Seattle vs. Atlanta matchups

[Bobblehead]

Could

CJ Spiller be the game breaker?

He comes in under the radar.
He's an excellent receiver out of the back field.

I'm going to call, CJ Spiller with a break out game.

 

[Laloosh]

^^ I think Nick Vannett comes in and has a Luke Willsonesque TD for 54 yards on a play action bootleg to the right.

Nick's playing this week, right?

 

[treefidy]

Now, see this was what I was waiting for. I deleted stuff I didn't really feel was up for much debate.

As for us "HAVING" to double Julio Jones...why is that exactly ? Your comment about Graham was "He may go for 60-80 yards and a TD." The last time Sherman matched up on Jones, we didn't double. Jones ended up with 70 yards and a TD. I'm 100% ok with that.

You also think Trufant will negate Baldwin, who has been a top 3 WR since last year. He may, but he won't erase him. That said, who do you have that can guard Lockett ? He's one of the best young WR's in the game. Who's going to cover Richardson? He's one of the best route runners in the league, and oh yea, one of the fastest guys in the league who can also win jump balls. Oh, then drop Graham in there. And by the way, our backup TE is 6'5" weighs 255 and runs a 4.5 forty. He's a matchup nightmare vs. most LBers. Ask Arizona. He's scorched them consistently, they have a LBer corps that's universally regarded as better than yours, and they're more familiar with him.

That's why I wanted to talk individual matchups. I know Trufant is good for you guys, we watched his older brother be elite for years up here. He's a WSU Cougar...we don't hate on the guy. But who else do you really have ? Honest question, as our WR corps is deeper and more talented than most people understand.

I also think our DL will stone your OL in the run game. It's what they do, and they do it with 7 guys in the box. We don't need to stack it. The Jets have one of the best run blocking OL's in the league. I know it doesn't matter, as ATL's OL is different personnel, but we also had our best run stuffing DT out that game. So it hasn't been against all weak squads. The Rams' OL isn't bad either. Making teams one dimensional is how we thrive. I don't honestly think we'll get all that much pressure on Ryan unless we do some DL stunts and blitzes that he hasn't seen (entirely possible, as Richard is very creative).

The biggest factor is honestly going to be the weather. The forecast is for rain and 16 mph winds, which isn't really all that inclement. Here's the deal: we have a real screamer coming in on Saturday that's supposed to dump 2 inches of rain with 60 mph winds. Now, that might be already done, or it could cause complications if the weather forecast isn't perfect (like when does ever happen, right?). Say it's shitty weather. Stats aside, I just don't see the Falcons able to win a slug fest with the Seahawks on either side of the ball. We haven't run the ball that great, but that's due to inexperience and injuries. We have a very large and ridiculously athletic OL. If's it's crappy weather, they'll maul fools.

You will have to double Julio. There's no way around it. Sherman will get abused if you don't. Sherman has never covered Julio 1v1, so I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from. The last time you played Atlanta and Julio played, Sherman did not shadow anyone. Unless you forget Roddy burning him for a 47 yard TD.

1. You might want to look up Trufants numbers.
2. Debating with Seahawk's fans is hilarious. You constantly bring up people not watching the 'Hawks, but have zero concept of your opponent. Trufant will neutralize WHOEVER he is on. I say WHOEVER because he doesn't shadow. He plays a side of the field. He won't always be on Baldwin, when he is, Baldwin will rarely win... Simple as that.

Your DL will not stone our OL. You may pose more of a challenge to them, but you won't stone them.

Weather doesn't worry me. We are a dome team, but we aren't built to have to be a high flying offense. Wilson is not known as a great weather QB, if we don't have to worry about the pass as much and we can play the run (easily our strength) then I pick the Falcons in this game.

 

[OkieHawk]

You will have to double Julio. There's no way around it. Sherman will get abused if you don't. Sherman has never covered Julio 1v1, so I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from. The last time you played Atlanta and Julio played, Sherman did not shadow anyone. Unless you forget Roddy burning him for a 47 yard TD.

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We haven't double teamed Fitz, Megatron or anyone else since 2013 (IIRC), why would we now?

 

[Largent80]

The Atlanta Julios are coming to town.

 

[2_0_6]

:snack:

This thread is fantastic, and is very informative.

*Sherman can't guard Julio, actually nobody in the NFL can guard Julio.
*Julio could play QB, RB, CB, and WR all at the same time.
*Trufant is a beast and is a shutdown corner.

 

[pcbball12]

Now, see this was what I was waiting for. I deleted stuff I didn't really feel was up for much debate.

As for us "HAVING" to double Julio Jones...why is that exactly ? Your comment about Graham was "He may go for 60-80 yards and a TD." The last time Sherman matched up on Jones, we didn't double. Jones ended up with 70 yards and a TD. I'm 100% ok with that.

You also think Trufant will negate Baldwin, who has been a top 3 WR since last year. He may, but he won't erase him. That said, who do you have that can guard Lockett ? He's one of the best young WR's in the game. Who's going to cover Richardson? He's one of the best route runners in the league, and oh yea, one of the fastest guys in the league who can also win jump balls. Oh, then drop Graham in there. And by the way, our backup TE is 6'5" weighs 255 and runs a 4.5 forty. He's a matchup nightmare vs. most LBers. Ask Arizona. He's scorched them consistently, they have a LBer corps that's universally regarded as better than yours, and they're more familiar with him.

That's why I wanted to talk individual matchups. I know Trufant is good for you guys, we watched his older brother be elite for years up here. He's a WSU Cougar...we don't hate on the guy. But who else do you really have ? Honest question, as our WR corps is deeper and more talented than most people understand.

I also think our DL will stone your OL in the run game. It's what they do, and they do it with 7 guys in the box. We don't need to stack it. The Jets have one of the best run blocking OL's in the league. I know it doesn't matter, as ATL's OL is different personnel, but we also had our best run stuffing DT out that game. So it hasn't been against all weak squads. The Rams' OL isn't bad either. Making teams one dimensional is how we thrive. I don't honestly think we'll get all that much pressure on Ryan unless we do some DL stunts and blitzes that he hasn't seen (entirely possible, as Richard is very creative).

The biggest factor is honestly going to be the weather. The forecast is for rain and 16 mph winds, which isn't really all that inclement. Here's the deal: we have a real screamer coming in on Saturday that's supposed to dump 2 inches of rain with 60 mph winds. Now, that might be already done, or it could cause complications if the weather forecast isn't perfect (like when does ever happen, right?). Say it's shitty weather. Stats aside, I just don't see the Falcons able to win a slug fest with the Seahawks on either side of the ball. We haven't run the ball that great, but that's due to inexperience and injuries. We have a very large and ridiculously athletic OL. If's it's crappy weather, they'll maul fools.

You will have to double Julio. There's no way around it. Sherman will get abused if you don't. Sherman has never covered Julio 1v1, so I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from. The last time you played Atlanta and Julio played, Sherman did not shadow anyone. Unless you forget Roddy burning him for a 47 yard TD.

1. You might want to look up Trufants numbers.
2. Debating with Seahawk's fans is hilarious. You constantly bring up people not watching the 'Hawks, but have zero concept of your opponent. Trufant will neutralize WHOEVER he is on. I say WHOEVER because he doesn't shadow. He plays a side of the field. He won't always be on Baldwin, when he is, Baldwin will rarely win... Simple as that.

Your DL will not stone our OL. You may pose more of a challenge to them, but you won't stone them.

Weather doesn't worry me. We are a dome team, but we aren't built to have to be a high flying offense. Wilson is not known as a great weather QB, if we don't have to worry about the pass as much and we can play the run (easily our strength) then I pick the Falcons in this game.

Julio beats a couple of unprepared rookies like a drum and all of a sudden he cannot be slowed down by the best corner in football? Julio is the most physically gifted WR in all of football. Him and AB are the two best WR's in all of football, so I am not saying the guy won't get his here and there. Julio has been singled up plenty in his career man. He has lost some of those battles before in his career as well. What we are saying is even if he gets his here and there, Sherman is the best corner in the league. For you to think he won't get his after continuously being tried is just uneducated. In a game like this, 1 or 2 turnovers can change a game dramatically. He will not be doubled, we just don't do that as a defense. Haven't since Pete has been here and aren't going to start now.

 

[Overseasfan]

Looks really simple at the moment. Hawks D vs Falcons O should be a close match-up, while the Hawks O is lightyears better than the Falcons D. We'll keep scoring, they can't keep up.

 

[pcbball12]

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Since 2015 opposing QBs have passer rating of 31.4 when targeting No. 1 receivers shadowed by #Seahawks CB Richard Sherman.

 

[2_0_6]

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Since 2015 opposing QBs have passer rating of 31.4 when targeting No. 1 receivers shadowed by #Seahawks CB Richard Sherman.

Wait, so you are saying we don't need to double team the almighty Julio?

 

[Largent80]

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Since 2015 opposing QBs have passer rating of 31.4 when targeting No. 1 receivers shadowed by #Seahawks CB Richard Sherman.

Wait, so you are saying we don't need to double team the almighty Julio?

Evidently, according to Treefondler, the whole team is named Julio and are all the best Julios money can buy.

 

[Laloosh]

Falcon fans acting like Seattle fans didn't see Trufant play at the University of Washington.

 

[Tical21]

LOL @ having to double Julio Jones!! hahahaahha

I just can't believe people still think they can try Richard Sherman and win. Just absolutely baffling at this point. Like 5 years from now people are still going to be coming in here with their big WR thinking he is going to best Richard Sherman. Go ask the last 15 good QBs and great receivers how they have fared against Sherman. Don't worry, I'll wait.

FWIW, we don't double receivers. Ever. We don't have to. Ever. Try Richard Sherman. Try 25. See how far that gets ya. The thing is, we know Matt Ryan will. He is confident in his arm, and just stupid enough to try it, even though Quinn will be telling him all week not to. Go ahead, see how far it gets ya. Be our guest.

 

[2_0_6]

@ Treefiddy...

I REALLY hope that we see Baldwin lined up against Trufant all day. ADB just might have a career day on Sunday if so.

 

[2_0_6]

710 just had a Falcons beat writer on, and he had some less than desirable things to say about them. Basically their defense is HIGHLY suspect, ya know kinda what most of us have been saying all along.

He obviously wasn't a fan of Dan "Cliché" Quinn.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Weather doesn't worry me. We are a dome team, but we aren't built to have to be a high flying offense. Wilson is not known as a great weather QB, if we don't have to worry about the pass as much and we can play the run (easily our strength) then I pick the Falcons in this game.

You're not that good against the run. You're ranked 24th against it in DVOA and Denver absolutely rammed it down your throat.

Our rushing offense hasn't been all that amazing yet, but it's been gaining traction. With Germain Ifedi and Nick Vannett healthy and playing, and with Russell Wilson getting less gimpy, your linebackers will have their hands full.

 

[andyh64000]

Weather forecast is getting worse...

http://q13fox.com/2016/10/13/nws-leadin ... -saturday/

 

[Hawks46]

Falcon fans acting like Seattle fans didn't see Trufant play at the University of Washington.

ROFL I can't believe I made that mistake, and I can't believe you're the first one to catch it. It was late and i was tired. :shock:

Either way, we're not going to double Julio. Sherman is more than capable of handling #1 WR's, and the reasoning is more than just "cuz....Julio !" It can be debated until we're all old, but the Seahawks just don't do that. Look at the Jets game. That's the worst that can happen to Sherm, and we got 2 INT's out of it. If you test Sherman, sooner or later you're going to pay. Rodgers had paid, Brady has paid, Romo has paid, Roethlisburger has paid......the list goes on with QB's that are better than Matt Ryan (I like him and think he's good, don't get me wrong). And for reasons more than "Cuz....Matt Ryan !"

I think the game is too close to call at this point. Emotionally I'd like to say we're going to wreck them, and I can come up with tons of reasons why, but the weather is going to be crappy. Wilson doesn't pay his best in crappy weather (it's an actual fact that every QB's ratings go down in inclement weather, but Wilson's real stinkers have been in rain). Our OL needs to dominate in the run game. They haven't so far, and we know they can, but I'm not convincing other fan bases until it's proven. Our run offense isn't great, their run defense isn't great, something has to give.

 

[treefidy]

You're not that good against the run. You're ranked 24th against it in DVOA and Denver absolutely rammed it down your throat.

Our rushing offense hasn't been all that amazing yet, but it's been gaining traction. With Germain Ifedi and Nick Vannett healthy and playing, and with Russell Wilson getting less gimpy, your linebackers will have their hands full.

This is why DVOA is a stupid stat.

24 carries for 84 yards or a 3.5 ypc carry is not ramming it down our throats.

Watch the game, not the DVOA.

 

[pcbball12]

You're not that good against the run. You're ranked 24th against it in DVOA and Denver absolutely rammed it down your throat.

Our rushing offense hasn't been all that amazing yet, but it's been gaining traction. With Germain Ifedi and Nick Vannett healthy and playing, and with Russell Wilson getting less gimpy, your linebackers will have their hands full.

This is why DVOA is a stupid stat.

24 carries for 84 yards or a 3.5 ypc carry is not ramming it down our throats.

Watch the game, not the DVOA.

Agree, Denver was pretty ineffective running the ball that game. They made Denver one dimensional and forced Paxton Lynch to try and beat them, which is exactly what they are supposed to do gameplay wise going against a rookie QB in his first start.