Seattle Mariners @ Florida Marlins Jun 21-13...

[DJrmb]

Dick move to not let Logan try for the complete game shutout. He's in contention for Cy Young award and a complete game shutout could make a difference in the voting on that. He was only at 92 pitches, his 1 and only shutout he went 105. It's not early in the season when guys aren't stretched out either. Why is Scott screwing his player over there?

 

[raisethe3]

They FINALLY bench Julio.
Bliss 5 for his last 5.

I don't think that benched him. Probably just give him a day off. Its not like he was terrible anyways.

 

[sutz]

I think Bliss and Canzone have been following the news on Polanco. Making it tough to send one of them down.

Good all around game. I'm glad they gave Julio a rest day. He needed it to get out of his head, I think.

I have no problem pulling Gilbert in the 9th. It's a long season. If you want to hate on Servais, you're gonna no matter what he does.

Great all around game. It's what they're gonna need going forward into the 2d half of the season, that and Cal finding the ball with his bat. Maybe his catching duties are finally catching up with him. Toughest position in baseball and he's a great one already. Even without his bat he contributes a lot to the team.

 

[DJrmb]

I've never been a Servias hater, actually I usually stick up for him. Pulling Logan and literally taking money out of his pocket there was a team over player move and screwed him over. Not huge but little things like that can stick in your craw. Literally everything lined up for him perfect to reward his player there. That's a poor move. If Logan doesn't win the Cy Young and it's at all close I hope he reminds Scott of this night.

 

[Chapow]

Dick move to not let Logan try for the complete game shutout. He's in contention for Cy Young award and a complete game shutout could make a difference in the voting on that. He was only at 92 pitches, his 1 and only shutout he went 105. It's not early in the season when guys aren't stretched out either. Why is Scott screwing his player over there?

I don't usually listen to post game stuff, but I'd guess he didn't want to unnecessarily add another inning to his work load because it's a really long season and it all adds up by the time you get to September and October.

That said, if it was me I would have consulted Woodworth and spoken with Logan, and if they were both adamant that he was good to go, I would have sent him back out there. If not, I wouldn't have. Either way I very much doubt it moves the needle even the tiniest bit in regards to winning the Cy Young award. It's a 9-0 game in June against one of the worst teams in the league.

 

[IndyHawk]

I've never been a Servias hater, actually I usually stick up for him. Pulling Logan and literally taking money out of his pocket there was a team over player move and screwed him over. Not huge but little things like that can stick in your craw. Literally everything lined up for him perfect to reward his player there. That's a poor move. If Logan doesn't win the Cy Young and it's at all close I hope he reminds Scott of this night.

Seen plenty win the Cy Young who didn't have complete games the last 10-15 yrs.
No reason to run his innings up in a likely playoff year.

 

[Chapow]

I've never been a Servias hater, actually I usually stick up for him. Pulling Logan and literally taking money out of his pocket there was a team over player move and screwed him over. Not huge but little things like that can stick in your craw. Literally everything lined up for him perfect to reward his player there. That's a poor move. If Logan doesn't win the Cy Young and it's at all close I hope he reminds Scott of this night.

Managers are employed by the team, not the players. They are supposed to make moves that are in the best interest of the team, even if that move isn't in the best interest of a particular player.

 

[DJrmb]

Managers are employed by the team, not the players. They are supposed to make moves that are in the best interest of the team, even if that move isn't in the best interest of a particular player.

Totally get that, and normally I'm 100% team over individual player. However, there has to be some give and take on that too. You have to keep your players motivated and happy and when things line up to reward a player individually with low risk to the team you should take it. We don't have to look any further than our beloved Seahawks for evidence that this matters. See Marshawn Lynch super bowl and how that tore the team apart afterwards... Whether or not the call was right or wrong clearly internally they thought it was motivated by not wanting to reward Marshawn and they never got over that, it tore the team apart.

 

[DJrmb]

Seen plenty win the Cy Young who didn't have complete games the last 10-15 yrs.
No reason to run his innings up in a likely playoff year.

It's not just the complete game, which is a huge feather in the cap of any pitcher, but also an extra inning against a team he was dominant against and giving him the ability to stack up even more stats. He was only at 92 pitches and most of the game was not high stress pitches. There's limited to no risk in letting him at least go his 100 pitches. He's been healthy all year. Scott may have even caused long term damage taking him out there actually, pissing Logan off and making him reluctant to sign back with the team. I'd say that risk is higher than 8-10 more pitches. Logan and Kirby are the two guys they need to figure out how to keep long term.

 

[Chapow]

Totally get that, and normally I'm 100% team over individual player. However, there has to be some give and take on that too. You have to keep your players motivated and happy and when things line up to reward a player individually with low risk to the team you should take it. We don't have to look any further than our beloved Seahawks for evidence that this matters. See Marshawn Lynch super bowl and how that tore the team apart afterwards... Whether or not the call was right or wrong clearly internally they thought it was motivated by not wanting to reward Marshawn and they never got over that, it tore the team apart.

No offense man, but I don't think this is anywhere near as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. Literally taking money out of his pocket? Screwing him over? Causing long term damage? Making him reluctant to sign back with team? That all seems wildly over dramatic to me. We're talking about a regular season game in June against one of the worst teams in the league with a 9 run lead. We're not talking about a Super Bowl. The two situations aren't even remotely similar in any way.

I wouldn't be surprised if Logan was pissed that he didn't get to go back out there. I'd be even less surprised if he's pretty much over it by tomorrow morning.

 

[DJrmb]

No offense man, but I don't think this is anywhere near as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. Literally taking money out of his pocket? Screwing him over? Causing long term damage? Making him reluctant to sign back with team? That all seems wildly over dramatic to me. We're talking about a regular season game in June against one of the worst teams in the league with a 9 run lead. We're not talking about a Super Bowl. The two situations aren't even remotely similar in any way.

I wouldn't be surprised if Logan was pissed that he didn't get to go back out there. I'd be even less surprised if he's pretty much over it by tomorrow morning.

No offense taken, and none to anyone who disagrees with me either. I think in a vacuum, you're right. However, this is something Scott has been a little weird on for a while, and I wouldn't be surprised if this was the straw that broke the camel's back sort of speech. There was extremely minimal risk in giving him a shot at it and much more potential reward in my opinion. The guys that reward Cy Young at the end of the year aren't going back and looking at single game stats. They're looking at the end of year stats. It's not that much different than a wide receiver in a run first offense and being fed up that they never will have a chance at top wr stats.

 

[Crizilla]

Its not like he was terrible anyways.

Lol....
Look at his trajectory. He has to adjust or he'll never get close to living up to his contract. Pitchers already figured him out like they do with every hitter who comes up and makes noise. What makes a hitter great is to adjust once you get figured out.

The hitting staff dudes are awesome dudes they really are but people with more experience playing and coaching is what Julio needs. Scotty never made it as a hitter. Acta never made it as a hitter (didn't even make the big leagues). The rest of the dudes have no experience or are right out of college.

I would spend money, a lot of it, if it meant I could bring in a veteran who's been there done that to sit in the dug out with this team, especially for Julio. Cruz retired as an Mariner. Write him a blank check. Do something. You cannot squander a budding super star and the leagues best rotation.

 

[raisethe3]

Lol....
Look at his trajectory. He has to adjust or he'll never get close to living up to his contract. Pitchers already figured him out like they do with every hitter who comes up and makes noise. What makes a hitter great is to adjust once you get figured out.

The hitting staff dudes are awesome dudes they really are but people with more experience playing and coaching is what Julio needs. Scotty never made it as a hitter. Acta never made it as a hitter (didn't even make the big leagues). The rest of the dudes have no experience or are right out of college.

I would spend money, a lot of it, if it meant I could bring in a veteran who's been there done that to sit in the dug out with this team, especially for Julio. Cruz retired as an Mariner. Write him a blank check. Do something. You cannot squander a budding super star and the leagues best rotation.

I know two guys that could they could hire. Edgar Martinez and Ichiro.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Dick move to not let Logan try for the complete game shutout. He's in contention for Cy Young award and a complete game shutout could make a difference in the voting on that. He was only at 92 pitches, his 1 and only shutout he went 105. It's not early in the season when guys aren't stretched out either. Why is Scott screwing his player over there?

Lmao. Why force him to pitch one more inning when up 9? Thats why. They wanna rest him.

 

[sutz]

Final comment on Gilbert...and what happens when a hitter lines one off of his kneecap and he's out for 3 months?

You wanna risk that in the 9th inning of a blowout to make the kid feel better?

 

[Crizilla]

I'm guessing Locklear is going to get sent down, dude hasn't played in a week. Great defense at 1st base and provided a spark to the line up. But that's not good enough apparently for the worst offense in baseball.

Scotty has Bliss try and steal a base when they are down 5 runs. What. An. Idiot. So stupid it's unreal. You need base runners, Scott.

 

[DJrmb]

Lmao. Why force him to pitch one more inning when up 9? Thats why. They wanna rest him.

It's not forcing him when he wanted to go out there for it... Anyways it's over now, I just hope Logan doesn't hold onto it and is already over it like someone else said.

 

[sutz]

Disappointing end to the series to be sure. Miller with a bad day and the hitters can't figure out a rookie pitcher. On to Tampa.

 

[DJrmb]

Final comment on Gilbert...and what happens when a hitter lines one off of his kneecap and he's out for 3 months?

You wanna risk that in the 9th inning of a blowout to make the kid feel better?

Come on bro, what are the chances of that? No more of a chance of that in the 9th than any other inning. Not a good argument. Could have happened in the 6th, or 7th or 8th. Why not take him out then? They were up big those innings too. He could have taken a ball off the knee and missed 3 months. Stupid Scott, should have pulled him...

 

[bobsuncle]

Astros will be in first place before the end of July. Very disheartening, but not unexpected. This organization has always been a huge disappointment and will continue to be until the team sells to a more involved, passionate, less money grubbing-centric ownership group.