Seahawks sign OL Josh Jones

[projectorfreak]

He looked fine as a guard but pretty rough as a tackle so hopefully that never materializes for us

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

This guy shouldn’t have even been on our radar for another week. We always need depth type players but right now we need to focus on improving the guys out there every week. This isn’t it.

It’s why you make the big bucks making these decisions

 

[AnimeAmore]

It’s why you make the big bucks making these decisions

That's a disingenuous statement, and it always bothers me when people make it.
The NFL is an old boys club, and they would rather stick with mediocre/bad executives that are part of the club than to bring in people from the outside who might actually be better.
There are people on this board who would be a better GM than some of the current GMs, but none of us are part of the club. This type of stuff goes on all throughout the world. Invisible walls, invisible ceilings, and invisible ladders.

 

[seabowl]

That's a disingenuous statement, and it always bothers me when people make it.
The NFL is an old boys club, and they would rather stick with mediocre/bad executives that are part of the club than to bring in people from the outside who might actually be better.
There are people on this board who would be a better GM than some of the current GMs, but none of us are part of the club. This type of stuff goes on all throughout the world. Invisible walls, invisible ceilings, and invisible ladders.

Agree, 100%! I’ve been saying on this board for years that we get to see the same exact game tape as the coaches and GM do. Sure we don’t see them in practice but the game tape is the final exam that counts. I hate it when people say that we can’t judge players like they do. It’s a ridiculous take.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

What's more ridiculous is fans thinking they know more about football than the front office, or the coaches, or former players.

 

[AnimeAmore]

What's more ridiculous is fans thinking they know more about football than the front office, or the coaches, or former players.

Knowledge =/= good decision-making

Look at all the GMs who trade away a bunch of firsts so they can move up and draft a future bust.
Do those GMs have more total football knowledge? Yes.
Are they able to use any of that knowledge to make a good, informed decision? No

A GM with no real football knowledge but *great* decision-making will 9 times out of 10 be better than a GM with expansive football knowledge but no ability to make good decisions.

I don't care if a GM doesn't even know how to spell NFL as long as he's able to make good decisions.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

That's a disingenuous statement, and it always bothers me when people make it.
The NFL is an old boys club, and they would rather stick with mediocre/bad executives that are part of the club than to bring in people from the outside who might actually be better.
There are people on this board who would be a better GM than some of the current GMs, but none of us are part of the club. This type of stuff goes on all throughout the world. Invisible walls, invisible ceilings, and invisible ladders.

System got you down? Don’t participate. Or buck the system. It’s better than being stuck clawing at invisible “things.”

 

[SoulfishHawk]

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

What's more ridiculous is fans thinking they know more about football than the front office, or the coaches, or former players.

Here it comes bud - you’ve stimulated some egos now!!

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

Knowledge =/= good decision-making

Look at all the GMs who trade away a bunch of firsts so they can move up and draft a future bust.
Do those GMs have more total football knowledge? Yes.
Are they able to use any of that knowledge to make a good, informed decision? No

A GM with no real football knowledge but *great* decision-making will 9 times out of 10 be better than a GM with expansive football knowledge but no ability to make good decisions.

I don't care if a GM doesn't even know how to spell NFL as long as he's able to make good decisions.

I’m going to respectfully disagree. I assert that it is informed decision making plus a shit ton of luck - but I’ve read way too much Taleb for my own good probably.

Knowledge is pretty subjective. Plus there are factors like player attributes, intangibles, systems, styles, hair styles (metcalf was much better with pink hair) etc.

All about perspective. I’m going to venture to guess, based off informed decision making and lack of knowledge, that if someone on here could do a better job than Schneider they wouldn’t hide their talent.

But I also know I know very little, speaking of knowledge. My anti-knowledge, that which I do not know, is vastly larger than that which I think I know - or may, in fact, know.

 

[seabowl]

What's more ridiculous is fans thinking they know more about football than the front office, or the coaches, or former players.

Seems like a lot of us knew that Creed Humphrey was a much better pick for the Seahawks than Dwayne Eskridge as we we screaming for Creed before and during the draft. Since then it has been mentioned on this board for years.

I did not mind the acquisition of Jamal Adams, but absolutely hated acquiring him for two first round picks and especially prior to negotiating a new contract. He had them by the balls because Seattle had to pay whatever he demanded or else the front office would look like fools. Sorry, but I as a fan and also being a negotiator for a living, saw that immediately upon the trade to be an issue.

Look, if the fans didn’t get to see anything while the GM saw all games and tape, then I could say OK the GM has complete knowledge over us. However, when fans get to view the same exact tape on a guy, they are pretty darn informed. The only thing fans aren’t informed on are the meetings that these teams have with these players. For instance, I absolutely wanted Seattle to take Jalen Carter with their first round pick but passed on him likely because he did not get strong reviews from his own coaches at Jorge. Again, I get we don’t have that kind of access, however to say that fans aren’t knowledgeable enough to make informed decisions is just plain wrong.

 

[kidhawk]

It’s why you make the big bucks making these decisions

Not making the decisions for the team doesn’t invalidate my opinion. If you disagree that’s great. That is what this place is about. There’s no reason to try to invalidate another opinion unless you just can’t come up with a better argument than “well they must always be right since they work there”. If that’s your only argument then you’ve already lost.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

Not making the decisions for the team doesn’t invalidate my opinion. If you disagree that’s great. That is what this place is about. There’s no reason to try to invalidate another opinion unless you just can’t come up with a better argument than “well they must always be right since they work there”. If that’s your only argument then you’ve already lost.

But I wasn’t trying to argue - it was a flippant facetious statement - when did argument come in to play? -

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Seems like a lot of us knew that Creed Humphrey was a much better pick for the Seahawks than Dwayne Eskridge as we we screaming for Creed before and during the draft. Since then it has been mentioned on this board for years.

I did not mind the acquisition of Jamal Adams, but absolutely hated acquiring him for two first round picks and especially prior to negotiating a new contract. He had them by the balls because Seattle had to pay whatever he demanded or else the front office would look like fools. Sorry, but I as a fan and also being a negotiator for a living, saw that immediately upon the trade to be an issue.

Look, if the fans didn’t get to see anything while the GM saw all games and tape, then I could say OK the GM has complete knowledge over us. However, when fans get to view the same exact tape on a guy, they are pretty darn informed. The only thing fans aren’t informed on are the meetings that these teams have with these players. For instance, I absolutely wanted Seattle to take Jalen Carter with their first round pick but passed on him likely because he did not get strong reviews from his own coaches at Jorge. Again, I get we don’t have that kind of access, however to say that fans aren’t knowledgeable enough to make informed decisions is just plain wrong.

Of course we knew it. Still funny that people think they know more than the front office. But do you.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

Of course we knew it. Still funny that people think they know more than the front office. But do you.

My buddy Dunning-Kruger in da house

 

[kidhawk]

But I wasn’t trying to argue - it was a flippant facetious statement - when did argument come in to play? -

That’s my point. You have no argument against my point which makes your point irrelevant

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

That’s my point. You have no argument against my point which makes your point irrelevant

I wasn’t making a point either so now where am I?

Edit: and if my point was irrelevant yet you responded to it, doesn’t that make it relevant ? All this logic is really clouding up my ability to emotionally reason. So confusing.

 

[kidhawk]

I wasn’t making a point either so now where am I?

But you were trying to make a point and the fact that you are now backtracking says more than I ever could.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

But you were trying to make a point and the fact that you are now backtracking says more than I ever could.

Bloody mind readers on here

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Freeeeeebirrrrrd!!!!!!