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Statistically, Sam isn’t a top 10 QB…imo. Actually, not even a top 15 guy.

Newsflash: he doesn’t need to be.

He’s a great fit for this team and isn’t costing us a fortune as to where other positions on the field are suffering (i.e., Bengals, KC, etc..).


If his stats look something like 16/25, 200 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs, we win. Those numbers aren’t going to get him an MVP…but, we win.

I much prefer the style of ball we’re playing as opposed to paying a QB 25% of the cap.

Find another QB that just hit back to back 14-3 seasons…on two different teams. You can’t.

Wins vs losses is the ultimate statistic. Fit…how a guy looks in a teams system..is paramount.

We’ve got our guy. I was skeptical at first but, we’ve definitely got our guy.
 

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Statistically, Sam isn’t a top 10 QB…imo. Actually, not even a top 15 guy.

Newsflash: he doesn’t need to be.

He’s a great fit for this team and isn’t costing us a fortune as to where other positions on the field are suffering (i.e., Bengals, KC, etc..).


If his stats look something like 16/25, 200 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs, we win. Those numbers aren’t going to get him an MVP…but, we win.

I much prefer the style of ball we’re playing as opposed to paying a QB 25% of the cap.

Find another QB that just hit back to back 14-3 seasons…on two different teams. You can’t.

Wins vs losses is the ultimate statistic. Fit…how a guy looks in a teams system..is paramount.

We’ve got our guy. I was skeptical at first but, we’ve definitely got our guy.
geMEH was good between the 20s, wasn't even close to the leader Sam is, and Sam actually wins big games, clearly.
 

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Now tell us how many touchdowns they threw along with those interceptions on a per-game basis, and you might start seeing the outlines of why they were given a pass.
Well many Geno a pass on his 17 int's when he had 17 touchdowns before the last game of the year when the Rams benched everyone for the playoffs. Sam's 35 and 25 are much better. Not saying you're grading him on a different curve than others but many are.

For me, I think Sam did what many said he needed to do in the Rams game by outplaying Stafford in the 4th quarter and OT. He also played well in a massive game against the Niners. Sure he needs to have some playoff success but again, not saying you, it seems like some are just waiting for him to have a bad game so they can say "I told you so" regardless of what else he does.

I can't wait for Sam to prove people wrong and for him to be a big part of why we have so much success this year when its all said and done.
 

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Well many Geno a pass on his 17 int's when he had 17 touchdowns before the last game of the year when the Rams benched everyone for the playoffs. Sam's 35 and 25 are much better. Not saying you're grading him on a different curve than others but many are.

For me, I think Sam did what many said he needed to do in the Rams game by outplaying Stafford in the 4th quarter and OT. He also played well in a massive game against the Niners. Sure he needs to have some playoff success but again, not saying you, it seems like some are just waiting for him to have a bad game so they can say "I told you so" regardless of what else he does.

I can't wait for Sam to prove people wrong and for him to be a big part of why we have so much success this year when its all said and done.
I also can't wait for the excuses those people will come up with to downplay whatever Sam did. Fun times.
 

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For me, I think Sam did what many said he needed to do in the Rams game by outplaying Stafford in the 4th quarter and OT. He also played well in a massive game against the Niners. Sure he needs to have some playoff success but again, not saying you, it seems like some are just waiting for him to have a bad game so they can say "I told you so" regardless of what else he does.

This is precisely why it's unfair that for many (local and national), he didn't earn back some capital in the "do you trust Darnold when it matters?" conversation. That game was for the #1 seed. His play in the 4th quarter/OT was outstanding. Some of those OT throws were exquisite. Not panicking on the final 2-point conversion and waiting for the play to develop was top-notch 'manage the pressure of the moment'.
 

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Statistically, Sam isn’t a top 10 QB…imo. Actually, not even a top 15 guy.
I think he's a borderline top-10 guy, statistically speaking. Let me make my case:

This year, Sam is 5th in passing yards, 2nd in yards per attempt, 7th in completion percentage, 11th in passer rating. 9th in TD passes. I think those stats puts him near the top-10, if not in the top-10.

He had 25 TDs this year, which was 9th in the league, but he did have 35 TDs last year, so this year's numbers might be more a reflection of his receivers and/or a difference in offensive philosophy.

Yes, he throws some interceptions. He reminds me a little of Eli Manning, who was a very good QB (whether or not you think he's HOF material). Eli always threw double digit interceptions, and more than 20 three times, including 27 one season. (He had 20 interceptions in 2007 when they won the Super Bowl.) Just saying that you can throw some interceptions and still be effective.
 

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No doubt. And Saubert was his 4th option. There was zero panic in the biggest moment of the season.
Does the guy turn it over too much? Absolutely. But he also has had some clutch drives in SEVERAL games this year. SEVERAL.

Exactly, he's got terrific arm talent and has had tremendous success the last two years. Per this, he has four game-winning drives this year and five last year.


Now he hasn't had post season success like Favre (yet hopefully)...but look at Favre's career stats: 508 TDs/336 INTs. Favre played for 20 years and had as many interceptions as Darnold in a season (14 or more) 15 times. He had 13 interceptions 3 times. He didn't play his rookie season. So, 18 of 19 seasons that Favre played resulted in as many or more interceptions as what Darnold's done (in 16 games vs. Darnold's 17 BTW). In fact, Favre had 20+ interceptions 5 times, including 29 in 2005.


The whole narrative around Darnold is people don't like that Detroit had a great game plan for Minnesota in Week #18 and that the Rams pash rush was on fire in the wild card game and O'Connell refused to adjust.
 

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I think he's a borderline top-10 guy, statistically speaking. Let me make my case:

This year, Sam is 5th in passing yards, 2nd in yards per attempt, 7th in completion percentage, 11th in passer rating. 9th in TD passes. I think those stats puts him near the top-10, if not in the top-10.

He had 25 TDs this year, which was 9th in the league, but he did have 35 TDs last year, so this year's numbers might be more a reflection of his receivers and/or a difference in offensive philosophy.

Yes, he throws some interceptions. He reminds me a little of Eli Manning, who was a very good QB (whether or not you think he's HOF material). Eli always threw double digit interceptions, and more than 20 three times, including 27 one season. (He had 20 interceptions in 2007 when they won the Super Bowl.) Just saying that you can throw some interceptions and still be effective.
Fair!
 

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I think he's a borderline top-10 guy, statistically speaking. Let me make my case:

This year, Sam is 5th in passing yards, 2nd in yards per attempt, 7th in completion percentage, 11th in passer rating. 9th in TD passes. I think those stats puts him near the top-10, if not in the top-10.

He had 25 TDs this year, which was 9th in the league, but he did have 35 TDs last year, so this year's numbers might be more a reflection of his receivers and/or a difference in offensive philosophy.

Yes, he throws some interceptions. He reminds me a little of Eli Manning, who was a very good QB (whether or not you think he's HOF material). Eli always threw double digit interceptions, and more than 20 three times, including 27 one season. (He had 20 interceptions in 2007 when they won the Super Bowl.) Just saying that you can throw some interceptions and still be effective.
Agreed. I would add that not all interceptions are the same. How many of those INTs bounced off the intended receiver's hands or someone's helmet? I believe at least one of those INTs that Darnold had went off of Kupp's hands.
 

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Agreed. I would add that not all interceptions are the same. How many of those INTs bounced off the intended receiver's hands or someone's helmet? I believe at least one of those INTs that Darnold had went off of Kupp's hands.
Agreed. Plus, he had four vs the Rams…definitely inflated the end of season numbers.

But, there’s no doubt that he has to make good decisions. I won’t say ‘better’ because he’s shown he can have an efficient game without turnovers. The last three games, overall, have been solid.

Elephant in the room…you hate it…I hate it…but undoubtedly, it’s a thing that I hope he’s gotten past —-can’t ’shit the bed’ in the playoffs. I’m hoping he can shut that noise down…makes me want to vomit every time an ‘expert analyst’ mentions it. Regardless, it IS a thing.

If he has numbers similar to the Niners game, we’ll win out. Those numbers weren’t spectacular…efficient though:

20/26, 198 yards…0 TDs, 0 INTs.

That’s all we need.
 

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I'll take those numbers from him all day long. Esp. if the defense is rockin.
I mean, if they complaint is that he didn't have any TD passes? Ok.......

He also didn't have any TURNOVERS. He did what we want him to do. Sometimes it IS good enough.
It was plenty good enough to win this game over Santa Clara.
 

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If the 49ers lose to the Eagles this weekend, then Purdy had Darnold's end-of-season from last year.
 

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Well many Geno a pass on his 17 int's when he had 17 touchdowns before the last game of the year when the Rams benched everyone for the playoffs. Sam's 35 and 25 are much better. Not saying you're grading him on a different curve than others but many are.

For me, I think Sam did what many said he needed to do in the Rams game by outplaying Stafford in the 4th quarter and OT. He also played well in a massive game against the Niners. Sure he needs to have some playoff success but again, not saying you, it seems like some are just waiting for him to have a bad game so they can say "I told you so" regardless of what else he does.

I can't wait for Sam to prove people wrong and for him to be a big part of why we have so much success this year when its all said and done.

That's kind of ignoring the fact that Darnold doesn't need anyone to create a narrative around him. He has done it himself. It is virtually universally agreed that the only question mark as to whether this Seahawks team can win it all is Sam Darnold.

As for Geno, again, as with Russ before him and now Sam, if you state a certain fact about him, it's taken to the extreme and misrepresnted

Seahawks 2024 Grade Card: How Did Geno Smith, QBs Perform? https://share.google/unSRVmurmQypswvTn

...So that i don't get accused of being a Geno himer, I will let a 3rd party speak to how the QB who played here last year performed on an offense that outside of him and JSN, was one of the worst in the league.

Some here are sooooo fast to defend Sam and his INts and say it's the o lines fault they aren't protecting him better. The hypocrisy in that defense is that the QB who played here last year was top 5 in turnover worthy plays - top 5 as in he was one of the best in not having those plays. Despite being one of the most pressured QBs behind a line that couldn't protect and for an OC who wasn't qualified to be in the NFL. Meanwhile, Kubiak is getting HC calls.

The last QB here was one of the leagues best against pressure.

Smiths TO rate was 2.6%
Darnold 's is 4.0%

To put that in direct comparison for those who want to excuse Sam's errors and crucify Smith, Sam is gonna turn the ball over every 25 plays he is directly involved in. Smith turned it over ever 38 plays.

Darnold is ranked 33rd in TO worthy plays despite having a strong o line, running game and defense.

Geno was ranked 4th despite having no o line, no running game and an OC who would receive zero interest as anyones HC, let alone anyone else's OC.

'Tracking' Geno in Vegas on a team that top to bottom is an embarrassment to the league and holding his performance up in comparison to Sam's here in Seattle is more than anything else, transparent when it comes to motivation.

If Sam turned the ball over a league leading amount under an OC garnering HCing attention and behind an O line that is one of the better in the league and allowed just 11 sacks through the first 11 games, how do you think 'Sam tracking' would go if he played on the 2025 Raiders team?

That's rhetorical. The answer is obvious.

At the end of the day, we are the 1 seed. Sam's play over the first 9 games of the year and in a few key moments thereafter is a big part of why we are here.

And

He is also the reason we could lose to any team we face in the playoffs / SB. Outlining the reasons why is unnecessary because we all know exactly why that is. It doesnt matter that we have the best OC we have had in 6 years. It doesn't matter that we have the best ground game since the Chris Carson days. It doesn't matter that we have the best O line in probably a decade. Sam Darnold COULD implode regardless. That's just fact. Not prediction. Not nay saying. Not hating. It's a clear eyed assessment of how he has played in Seattle to date.

Geno Smith was many things when he was here. He was never seen as THE reason we might not win a game.

He turned it over, but not at the rate Sam does.

He wasn't always perfect, but there wasnt a defensive scheme that could definitevely stop the passing game while he was here. Sam has struggled against light box 2 high looks for 9 weeks. Geno played on an offense that defenses knew would pass sometimes more than 65% of plays and STILL was better than 70% completion, and top 5 in TO worthy plays and INT rate.

Geno is gone. Sam is here. He is the QB for the Hawks and our chances of winning another SB and honesty establishing a true dynasty rest in large part on his shoulders. I hope to God he plays well and makes good on what we failed to do 12 years ago. If Sam succeeds, this team will win. Thats what we all want.
 

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That's kind of ignoring the fact that Darnold doesn't need anyone to create a narrative around him. He has done it himself. It is virtually universally agreed that the only question mark as to whether this Seahawks team can win it all is Sam Darnold.

As for Geno, again, as with Russ before him and now Sam, if you state a certain fact about him, it's taken to the extreme and misrepresnted

Seahawks 2024 Grade Card: How Did Geno Smith, QBs Perform? https://share.google/unSRVmurmQypswvTn

...So that i don't get accused of being a Geno himer, I will let a 3rd party speak to how the QB who played here last year performed on an offense that outside of him and JSN, was one of the worst in the league.

Some here are sooooo fast to defend Sam and his INts and say it's the o lines fault they aren't protecting him better. The hypocrisy in that defense is that the QB who played here last year was top 5 in turnover worthy plays - top 5 as in he was one of the best in not having those plays. Despite being one of the most pressured QBs behind a line that couldn't protect and for an OC who wasn't qualified to be in the NFL. Meanwhile, Kubiak is getting HC calls.

The last QB here was one of the leagues best against pressure.

Smiths TO rate was 2.6%
Darnold 's is 4.0%

To put that in direct comparison for those who want to excuse Sam's errors and crucify Smith, Sam is gonna turn the ball over every 25 plays he is directly involved in. Smith turned it over ever 38 plays.

Darnold is ranked 33rd in TO worthy plays despite having a strong o line, running game and defense.

Geno was ranked 4th despite having no o line, no running game and an OC who would receive zero interest as anyones HC, let alone anyone else's OC.

'Tracking' Geno in Vegas on a team that top to bottom is an embarrassment to the league and holding his performance up in comparison to Sam's here in Seattle is more than anything else, transparent when it comes to motivation.

If Sam turned the ball over a league leading amount under an OC garnering HCing attention and behind an O line that is one of the better in the league and allowed just 11 sacks through the first 11 games, how do you think 'Sam tracking' would go if he played on the 2025 Raiders team?

That's rhetorical. The answer is obvious.

At the end of the day, we are the 1 seed. Sam's play over the first 9 games of the year and in a few key moments thereafter is a big part of why we are here.

And

He is also the reason we could lose to any team we face in the playoffs / SB. Outlining the reasons why is unnecessary because we all know exactly why that is. It doesnt matter that we have the best OC we have had in 6 years. It doesn't matter that we have the best ground game since the Chris Carson days. It doesn't matter that we have the best O line in probably a decade. Sam Darnold COULD implode regardless. That's just fact. Not prediction. Not nay saying. Not hating. It's a clear eyed assessment of how he has played in Seattle to date.

Geno Smith was many things when he was here. He was never seen as THE reason we might not win a game.

He turned it over, but not at the rate Sam does.

He wasn't always perfect, but there wasnt a defensive scheme that could definitevely stop the passing game while he was here. Sam has struggled against light box 2 high looks for 9 weeks. Geno played on an offense that defenses knew would pass sometimes more than 65% of plays and STILL was better than 70% completion, and top 5 in TO worthy plays and INT rate.

Geno is gone. Sam is here. He is the QB for the Hawks and our chances of winning another SB and honesty establishing a true dynasty rest in large part on his shoulders. I hope to God he plays well and makes good on what we failed to do 12 years ago. If Sam succeeds, this team will win. Thats what we all want.
In what world did Geno not turn it over as much as Darnold? He had 15 picks and 9 fumbles in 15 games. Darnold has been light years better than Geno was last year and its not remotely close. I'm honestly baffled you made the argument Geno was better last year than Darnold has been this year. I'm at a loss here man so I'll just say agree to disagree.
 

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So.............when Geno was a "turnover machine" it was not his fault, most of the picks were on someone else, etc.
So.............when Sam is a "turnover machine" it's all his fault. Got it.

Please show me HUGE games that Geno won against playoff contenders.
 

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You know what QB stat is super important? Turnovers that happen well into the fourth quarter.

Ryan Fitzpatrick was that guy. You could set your watch to it...."we're down to the final minutes of this game and Fitz is marching down the field and.....NO!!....INTERCEPTION!!!. (insert team name here) have lost the game.

And I don't have the stats on Geno, but my recollection is that alot of them also happened late in the game.
 

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