SAM HOWELL

[toffee]

I think Geno will be fine if it happens, he has been there before and this is the pros we dont have time for anyones feelings. JS, learned the last time we didnt want to damage our QB's confidence he tried to get him fired. But I'm not saying we should at this point, just if it needs to happen we shouldn't hesitate.

WRs drop balls, even the very best WR had butter finger moments. That being said, if the Hawks WR dropped 50% less balls in the past three games, we might just won one of those three and we would have a different conversation. I am not taking away that Geno had bad games and didn't play well. But WRs are part of the problems, out of sync might be in play too.

 

[JayhawkMike]

SH may come in and not be an immediate improvemen. He may make the same mistakes or more than Geno. But Geno is the QB of today and IF today doesn’t include the playoffs then we need to work on Tomorrow and see if Howell is going to be part of it. Letting Howell learn Grubbs system ON the field this year will pay off in the future. OR Howell stinking it up on the field will lead to drafting or signing a new QB next year.

how does Geno leading us to a mediocre record this year and maybe next help the Seahawks? Throw Howell in and don’t baby him for a year behind Geno. The let the new QB watch for a year is the old method. NOW it’s throw them in. SH has had starter reps on a bad team and doesn’t need to watch. He will sink or swim.

 

[Torc]

folks need to get over the notion that we're drafting a QBOTF next year or ever. Schneider drafted Russ in the third round and struck gold. He's never drafted a QB higher.

My prediction is that we don't draft a first round QB, ever, as long as JS is our GM. Geno is our QB this year and probably next.

 

[JayhawkMike]

folks need to get over the notion that we're drafting a QBOTF next year or ever. Schneider drafted Russ in the third round and struck gold. He's never drafted a QB higher.

My prediction is that we don't draft a first round QB, ever, as long as JS is our GM. Geno is our QB this year and probably next.

IF you are right what a waste of two (more) seasons.

 

[knownone]

Howell was historically bad in an offense that is now (checks notes) #2 in scoring with a rookie quarterback.

 

[Torc]

Howell was historically bad in an offense that is now (checks notes) #2 in scoring with a rookie quarterback.

totally different system. They fired the whole coaching staff.

 

[knownone]

totally different system. They fired the whole coaching staff.

Obviously. But consider that Seattle did the same thing this offseason, and our offense has remained relatively consistent. Meanwhile, Washington went from 30th to 2nd, and their only significant changes were at QB and TE.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Howell was historically bad in an offense that is now (checks notes) #2 in scoring with a rookie quarterback.

"historically" LOL

I am not a Howell defender. I am a "Geno isn't going to win us any playoff games so let's see if Howell is actually a decent QB that was in a bad system" person. I am also NOT a "Geno totally sucks and can never win us any games" guy either because he can but I just think he is not good enough to do so against a decent team or in the playoffs.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep, he's somewhere in the middle. Average.

3.....2......1.........

 

[Rat]

folks need to get over the notion that we're drafting a QBOTF next year or ever. Schneider drafted Russ in the third round and struck gold. He's never drafted a QB higher.

My prediction is that we don't draft a first round QB, ever, as long as JS is our GM. Geno is our QB this year and probably next.

When have we been in a position to draft a first-round QB? Most of his tenure, we had a franchise QB and late picks. We don't know if he would have taken one because we didn't need to. As I recall, he hadn't taken a CB before the third either, and then did last year when picking at #5 and a great talent was sitting there.

In addition, Schneider has shown a willingness to adapt his draft policies based on past results and the talent available. If he doesnt take a first round QB, I doubt it's because of a philosophical defiance. It's a weak QB class anyway.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Several years in the mid to late 20's for picks. Can't exactly grab a QBOTF at that spot.

 

[Maelstrom787]

When have we been in a position to draft a first-round QB? Most of his tenure, we had a franchise QB and late picks. We don't know if he would have taken one because we didn't need to. As I recall, he hadn't taken a CB before the third either, and then did last year when picking at #5 and a great talent sitting there.

Exactly what I was going to post.

Seattle's patterns are not set in stone. They'll take whoever they see as the best option, and they're generally not afraid to break precedent.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Several years in the mid to late 20's for picks. Can't exactly grab a QBOTF at that spot.

Everyone hop on the Paxton Lynch, Mac Jones, Terry Bridgewater, and Dwayne Haskins (no disrespect, RIP) train of franchise QBs!

(Yes there are successes too but yeah, it reeeally has to line up perfectly)

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt. Would be very interesting to see a percentage of how many QB's panned out in the late 20s of the 1st round.

 

[onanygivensunday]

Geno is generally not the problem with the exception of the 9er game. However, he has turned into a pick machine. 6td's and 6 picks isn't going to get it done. One of Geno's positives is that he didn't turn the ball over much. If that goes away so does much of his value.

Watching Geno bashing his head with the tablet was a bad look. A bit too theatrical for me.

Suck it up, Buttercup. Do better. Stop with the childish over-reactions.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Watching Geno bashing his head with the tablet was a bad look. A bit too theatrical for me.

Suck it up, Buttercup. Do better. Stop with the childish over-reactions.

Not all of them are robots. Hass was the same way and we see it as endearing looking back. Dude cared.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Doesn't make it right though. Pouting on the sidelines isn't what I want to see from the "Leader" of the team. Him and DK both need to lead by example. And the example isn't tantrums on the sidelines.
And it's not just a Geno thing, it's a QB thing. Bad look.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Doesn't make it right though. Pouting on the sidelines isn't what I want to see from the "Leader" of the team. Him and DK both need to lead by example. And the example isn't tantrums on the sidelines.
And it's not just a Geno thing, it's a QB thing. Bad look.

Its the same thing we talked about with players talking to the media, though. These guys SHOULD be pissed according to most here. Wouldn't a display of emotion in that case be leading by example?

Listen, I don't really believe that getting upset on the sideline like this when watching the INT back on the tablet is especially conducive to success. I don't believe DK calling to yell at Grubb in the box is either. I think Geno has a right to be pissed though. Wrong routes, no run game, no OL help and it's been over 2 years straight of this. It might actually be time for Geno to get pissed off and start demanding more from his cast.

DK... has less of a right to be pissed. Dude gets targeted a shitton and generally receives an accurate pass.

 

[renofox]

When have we been in a position to draft a first-round QB? Most of his tenure, we had a franchise QB and late picks. We don't know if he would have taken one because we didn't need to. As I recall, he hadn't taken a CB before the third either, and then did last year when picking at #5 and a great talent was sitting there.

In addition, Schneider has shown a willingness to adapt his draft policies based on past results and the talent available. If he doesnt take a first round QB, I doubt it's because of a philosophical defiance. It's a weak QB class anyway.

Would you trade Spoon, JSN, and DK straight up for Stroud? I would. Pre-draft, I would have. I was advocating for that on this board. CHI would have taken #5, #20, and DK for the #1. JS had the opportunity and didn't take it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Its the same thing we talked about with players talking to the media, though. These guys SHOULD be pissed according to most here. Wouldn't a display of emotion in that case be leading by example?

Listen, I don't really believe that getting upset on the sideline like this when watching the INT back on the tablet is especially conducive to success. I don't believe DK calling to yell at Grubb in the box is either. I think Geno has a right to be pissed though. Wrong routes, no run game, no OL help and it's been over 2 years straight of this. It might actually be time for Geno to get pissed off and start demanding more from his cast.

DK... has less of a right to be pissed. Dude gets targeted a shitton and generally receives an accurate pass.

Fair enough. But there weren't many accurate passes vs. the Niners.