Sam

[chris98251]

You are contradicting virtually everything that's been said regarding that situation. Even Hasselbeck today, who knows the goings-on inside the Hawks said it was Geno that screwed up the deal and miscalculated his future prospects rather than the FO wanting him gone.

Here is the simple fact. John and Mike prefer a guy at QB who can do what is necessary to win and don't NEED the QB (nor for financial reasons want the QB) to be a high end thrower of the ball who would look to be paid top dollar.

Geno saw himself as someone who was on the path to be a higher dollar guy. That calculation didn't fit John's formula nor Mike's , 12 as 1 philosophy. When that was made plain, Geno asked to be traded.

Being the savvy GM that he is, he targeted the guy that DID fit the formula in Sam and the move has paid dividends.

Geno's immaturity and lack of judgement (two things that have changed him his entire NFL career) did him in here. And that flaw no doubt made it easier to grant his wishes, given how entirely selfless the culture is in this team.

This isn't new with John. At both contract extensions with Russ, Pete was the one who lobbied for Russ and made it happen. It came out later that John was far less enthusiastic about paying Russ where he was paid and when he could, was looking for backup plans to move on a good while before he was actually traded.

It has turned out that Sam has worked out perfectly as a pivot from where they were with Geno. To try to spin it as though they were looking for someone 'better' than the guy they had from a football / QB play perspective... the evidence clearly contradicts that.

Truth !

 

[SoulfishHawk]

 

[Ad Hawk]

So... what will happen when Sam asks for the big money? Let him walk, and try to replace him with another as like him as possible? If the current FO/Coaches can coach up the average joe (Sam isn't really that, is he?), then why not keep getting younger backups brought in.

At some point, you just get the chance for a good trade, and we did. I'd argue the team more than got their money's worth from Sam's contract this year, even if he didn't play next year.

 

[glenwo2]

Sam is already signed for 3 years.

Why would anyone worry about when he asks (or rather his Agent asks) for the big money or not at this point?

I would rather wait and see how his 2nd year goes before even considering doing anything contract-wise, if I were JS (which I'm not).


Right now, I'm waiting (quite nervously) for Sunday to see Sam hopefully get it done and make everything worthwhile for the Hawks, us fans, and in particular...myself who has been defending him everywhere else since his Jets days. (I know this sounds weird but it would be the ultimate vindication on an almost-personal level for me)

 

[keasley45]

So... what will happen when Sam asks for the big money? Let him walk, and try to replace him with another as like him as possible? If the current FO/Coaches can coach up the average joe (Sam isn't really that, is he?), then why not keep getting younger backups brought in.

At some point, you just get the chance for a good trade, and we did. I'd argue the team more than got their money's worth from Sam's contract this year, even if he didn't play next year.

100% it paid off.

What happens if Sam becomes a top 5 player? I guess they have to make the calculation as to whether HE is the reason the team is a contender.

The way the team is structured now, the QB isn't forced to be the reason the team wins. The catch 22 calculation is that if they pay him premium dollar, Sam will HAVE to be more the reason the team wins because , like in 2016, paying the QB will to a degree weaken the current 'winning formula ' that is based on running and defense by being forced to play with lower dollar players on that side of the ball. Mike is a defensive coach. I don't know how positively he will look on his defense being undercut by having to tie up 30% of the cap in one player plus the skill guys that will be necessary to make catering to the QB work.

 

[Ad Hawk]

This, keasley, is exactly the problem.

And it's not a bad problem to have; a lot of teams wish they were in our shoes right now.

But it does present challenges when the whole team plays well, will want to get paid, and our QB is going to be worth quite a bit.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Sam's days in Seattle are numbered simply because of the above-mentioned financial reality. In two years, assuming he stays at his current level instead of faceplanting because of Kubiak's departure, he'll likely want money that Seattle can't give him. And game theory says that Seattle will probably draft a QB in the 2027 draft (if a good one appears) to hedge against that eventuality, which of course only makes Sam's departure likelier. Maybe, if Seattle drafts that QB, he even requests a trade before the 2027 season if he and the team can find a good partner.

Regardless, the window has two more years left, maybe one, unless a rookie QB drafted in 2027 somehow provides a seamless transition. Enjoy the ride. At least it's a window!

 

[Ozzy]

You are contradicting virtually everything that's been said regarding that situation. Even Hasselbeck today, who knows the goings-on inside the Hawks said it was Geno that screwed up the deal and miscalculated his future prospects rather than the FO wanting him gone.

Here is the simple fact. John and Mike prefer a guy at QB who can do what is necessary to win and don't NEED the QB (nor for financial reasons want the QB) to be a high end thrower of the ball who would look to be paid top dollar.

Geno saw himself as someone who was on the path to be a higher dollar guy. That calculation didn't fit John's formula nor Mike's , 12 as 1 philosophy. When that was made plain, Geno asked to be traded.

Being the savvy GM that he is, he targeted the guy that DID fit the formula in Sam and the move has paid dividends.

Geno's immaturity and lack of judgement (two things that have changed him his entire NFL career) did him in here. And that flaw no doubt made it easier to grant his wishes, given how entirely selfless the culture is in this team.

This isn't new with John. At both contract extensions with Russ, Pete was the one who lobbied for Russ and made it happen. It came out later that John was far less enthusiastic about paying Russ where he was paid and when he could, was looking for backup plans to move on a good while before he was actually traded.

It has turned out that Sam has worked out perfectly as a pivot from where they were with Geno. To try to spin it as though they were looking for someone 'better' than the guy they had from a football / QB play perspective... the evidence clearly contradicts that.

They didn't want Geno and low balled him. It's been talked about ad nasuem by multiple people close to the situation. Geno was terrible last year and had a goofy attitude. Geno was terrible this year predictably.

 

[Ozzy]

Truth !

False. You thought Geno was fantastic too? Fits my theory....

 

[glenwo2]

Sam's days in Seattle are numbered simply because of the above-mentioned financial reality. In two years, assuming he stays at his current level instead of faceplanting because of Kubiak's departure, he'll likely want money that Seattle can't give him. And game theory says that Seattle will probably draft a QB in the 2027 draft (if a good one appears) to hedge against that eventuality, which of course only makes Sam's departure likelier. Maybe, if Seattle drafts that QB, he even requests a trade before the 2027 season if he and the team can find a good partner.

Regardless, the window has two more years left, maybe one, unless a rookie QB drafted in 2027 somehow provides a seamless transition. Enjoy the ride. At least it's a window!

The reality is that we don't know what will happen.

What you said is one possibility that Sam (or rather his Agent 'cause let's be honest : That's who is going to be a real pain in the ass here) asks for more money.

But there is a part of me that hopes that Sam prefers to stick around Seattle for the long haul (and maybe he decides to not try to break the bank, so to speak?)

I mean Sam seems to be someone who would prefer TERM moreso than money.

I imagine he is tired of having to move to another team (it would be his 6th) AGAIN to start over AGAIN.

 

[chris98251]

False. You thought Geno was fantastic too? Fits my theory....

No I thought he was a good QB, till he thought he had us by the balls, he then became disgruntled and his head was not in the focus mode he was before. He can play, but when his head isn't in the right state he is a cancer also. I don't fit anything, Geno stopped being humble and tried acting like a star without the work being put in for it.

 

[flv2]

Well...QBR isn't everything.

espn.co.uk/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/2

...and i'm NOT saying I agree with those rankings.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

 

[hawkfan68]

Well...QBR isn't everything.

espn.co.uk/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/2

...and i'm NOT saying I agree with those rankings.

Darnold has the 2nd highest QBR in the postseason. Behind Love who played in only one game.

2025 NFL Season Leaders Total QBR | ESPN

Visit ESPN to view NFL Total QBR for the current and previous seasons

www.espn.co.uk

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Noice!!

 

[SocialParasite]

Noice!!

I love lamp.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I like Turtles.

 

[glenwo2]

I like Pizza.


Cowabunga, dude.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Skynyrd....play some

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Still waiting, Biscuit Boy.
SAM DARNOLD IS A SUPER BOWL CHAMPION.
I doubt you'll even acknowledge it.