SAM HOWELL

[JayhawkMike]

I have no idea how well he would do. But we need this information to make the correct decisions next off season.

I do think that having Geno around after this year at his salary cap number (current or extended) is a sign to fans that the team is okay with continued mediocrity.

I strongly disagree with those that say he is a fringe top 10 QB (Let's see - Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Cousins, Burrows, Herbert, Stroud, Goff, Prescott, Purdy, Jaydin Daniels, Stafford, Carr - That's 13 and then maybe add Rodgers, Tua, Hurts, Kyler, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams. Hell even Darnold with the Vikings . . . 11 TDs 4 Ints. That's 20 QBs that could have come in and done equal or better than Geno with the exact same roster we have. (Not listed: Baker Mayfield: 11 TDs 2 Ints - Justin Fields: 5 TDs 1 Int)

 

[DarkVictory23]

I have no idea how well he would do. But we need this information to make the correct decisions next off season.

I do think that having Geno around after this year at his salary cap number (current or extended) is a sign to fans that the team is okay with continued mediocrity.

I strongly disagree with those that say he is a fringe top 10 QB (Let's see - Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Cousins, Burrows, Herbert, Stroud, Goff, Prescott, Purdy, Jaydin Daniels, Stafford, Carr - That's 13 and then maybe add Rodgers, Tua, Hurts, Kyler, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams. Hell even Darnold with the Vikings . . . 11 TDs 4 Ints. That's 20 QBs that could have come in and done equal or better than Geno with the exact same roster we have. (Not listed: Baker Mayfield: 11 TDs 2 Ints - Justin Fields: 5 TDs 1 Int)

What is this list based off of? Is it the 'Here is a list of QBs whose names I know, therefore they must be good'?

Half this list I assume is just a joke.

Cousins is still a statue. He had a great game last week after failing to lead a single Touchdown drive the week before. He would be on IR already behind our offensive line.

Justin Herbert is sitting right near the bottom of the league in pass attempts per game, he's not attempting to run an offense that looks anything close to what we're running.

There is no advanced statistic this year that Matt Stafford or Jalen Hurts have over Geno. Success Rate, Passer Rating, QBR, ANY/A... they're below Geno on every single one.

Carr was AMAZING to start the season but the second he had some injuries to the offensive line he fell off a cliff. But he'd be good on our team with this offensive line?

Rodgers... have you even watched him play this year? He's had one good game and literally just got his head coach fired. Tua sucked BEFORE he went out with an injury. Trevor Lawrence was declared an expensive bust before he finally won a game... the first he's won since before last Thanksgiving. And Caleb Williams has the same OC that Geno Smith just had for 2 seasons and yet he's basically bottom 5 in every single advanced metric, but he'd come here, be asked to run the entire offense entirely through his arm, and he'd be BETTER?


There appears to be close to no real thought regarding how these guys play, what their strengths and weaknesses are, or anything else outside of 'Is this guy's name recognizable?' and 'Sort by TD Passes thrown' on NFL.com.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I have no idea how well he would do. But we need this information to make the correct decisions next off season.

I do think that having Geno around after this year at his salary cap number (current or extended) is a sign to fans that the team is okay with continued mediocrity.

I strongly disagree with those that say he is a fringe top 10 QB (Let's see - Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Cousins, Burrows, Herbert, Stroud, Goff, Prescott, Purdy, Jaydin Daniels, Stafford, Carr - That's 13 and then maybe add Rodgers, Tua, Hurts, Kyler, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams. Hell even Darnold with the Vikings . . . 11 TDs 4 Ints. That's 20 QBs that could have come in and done equal or better than Geno with the exact same roster we have. (Not listed: Baker Mayfield: 11 TDs 2 Ints - Justin Fields: 5 TDs 1 Int)

Can we just quit with using TD/INT ratio as a measuring stick for QB caliber or skill? It doesn't work.

 

[Ozzy]

Can we just quit with using TD/INT ratio as a measuring stick for QB caliber or skill? It doesn't work.

It does a little though. Good QBs tend to have good ratios and I’m sure Geno will get much better in this regard moving forward. Its not the be all stat but its a decent barometer for sure and he will get better as this season is a small sample size. At least in my opinion

 

[hawks85]

I'm not a hater on Geno, I'm just not sold on this dude. We can do much much better. He clearly struggling in this offense.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

I've read alot of people on this board use the TD/INT ratio for Howell measuring his caliber/skill. Just saying

 

[renofox]

Yes, Geno had a bad game against the 49ers. Yes, he's going to put up 2-4 more bad games this season. No, Geno is not below average over the course of a season. For what he's being paid, Geno is a very good bargain. A lesser QB would set back the rebuild by a year or two.

 

[JayhawkMike]

What is this list based off of? Is it the 'Here is a list of QBs whose names I know, therefore they must be good'?

Half this list I assume is just a joke.

Cousins is still a statue. He had a great game last week after failing to lead a single Touchdown drive the week before. He would be on IR already behind our offensive line.

Justin Herbert is sitting right near the bottom of the league in pass attempts per game, he's not attempting to run an offense that looks anything close to what we're running.

There is no advanced statistic this year that Matt Stafford or Jalen Hurts have over Geno. Success Rate, Passer Rating, QBR, ANY/A... they're below Geno on every single one.

Carr was AMAZING to start the season but the second he had some injuries to the offensive line he fell off a cliff. But he'd be good on our team with this offensive line?

Rodgers... have you even watched him play this year? He's had one good game and literally just got his head coach fired. Tua sucked BEFORE he went out with an injury. Trevor Lawrence was declared an expensive bust before he finally won a game... the first he's won since before last Thanksgiving. And Caleb Williams has the same OC that Geno Smith just had for 2 seasons and yet he's basically bottom 5 in every single advanced metric, but he'd come here, be asked to run the entire offense entirely through his arm, and he'd be BETTER?


There appears to be close to no real thought regarding how these guys play, what their strengths and weaknesses are, or anything else outside of 'Is this guy's name recognizable?' and 'Sort by TD Passes thrown' on NFL.com.

See that's why many of those were on the second list and not on the first - it is arguable whether they are equal or better. But out of that 20 (+2 at the end) if people think he is in the top ten I strongly disagree. Maybe 15-18. Also, it is a little amusing that Geno is struggling Not because of his talent but because of the O-Line/Coaching etc etc. but the QBs you point out suck only because they lack talent.

Geno will have some good games. Geno will have some bad games. Geno will not lead the team anywhere and that is my main argument as to why I want him gone.

 

[DarkVictory23]

See that's why many of those were on the second list and not on the first - it is arguable whether they are equal or better. But out of that 20 (+2 at the end) if people think he is in the top ten I strongly disagree. Maybe 15-18. Also, it is a little amusing that Geno is struggling Not because of his talent but because of the O-Line/Coaching etc etc. but the QBs you point out suck only because they lack talent.

Geno will have some good games. Geno will have some bad games. Geno will not lead the team anywhere and that is my main argument as to why I want him gone.

I didn't say the QBs I pointed out 'suck', let alone that they only do because of lack of talent.

I was responding to your theory that strained all credulity that you could slot these 13-20 guys (you waffle on that) into our situation here on the Seahawks and get the same or better results, regardless of what these guys have done or how they do it.

Cousins wouldn't fail here because of lack of talent. He'd fail because he's got a surgically repaired lower half and can't move quickly enough to keep our offensive line from killing him.

Carr is clearly a capable QB when he has a healthy offensive line, but he has 3 games without one and he immediately goes to garbage. It has nothing to do with him not having talent, because he set the league on fire for 2 weeks, but we don't have a good offensive line if they ARE healthy, let alone right now.

Caleb Williams is a rookie. Our OC is a rookie. If we struggle out the gate the way Caleb has, how do we even know who's at fault? How could we even figure it out?

Some of these guys, yeah, they just stink (or, even if they don't, they are currently struggling worse than Geno is but for some reason you are excusing their failures) and the only reason you think they would do better than Geno is because you are a hater--but that wasn't my main point. My main point was that you didn't put even a moment's worth of critical thinking into this list of names. You predetermined where you wanted to rank Geno and then just came up with QB names until you got to that number.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Howell would **** up just as much as Geno. He isn't the answer.

 

[HawkinNY]

Not many more than Geno. He would def run more than Geno has which might work at times. Geno needs to figure it out. It’s like anytime we need him to beat a good team he can’t. But always can do a game winning drive against teams who are in the bottom tier.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I am super menh over Sam Howell. I am menh over Geno too, I was maybe less menh over drew locke, but that was cause his cool post game interview last year after he led us to a sweet win, I am glad have Geno right now cause who else could we have? I wish we coulda had Penix, but that’s homer talking. I am cool with riding with Geno even though I don’t think he has that edge we’re sposed to be chasing, but I can’t wait to see what happens next draft and if we actually pick a qb of the future

 

[Sperrydogg]

Not many more than Geno. He would def run more than Geno has which might work at times. Geno needs to figure it out. It’s like anytime we need him to beat a good team he can’t. But always can do a game winning drive against teams who are in the bottom tier.

Don’t forget how great he is throwing underneath against prevent

 

[Hawker8989]

We should call GB and ask what it would take to acquire Love. Maybe they hang up immediately. But it's worth a call.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I've read alot of people on this board use the TD/INT ratio for Howell measuring his caliber/skill. Just saying

They're wrong to do so.

His YPA and sack numbers are much more worrying than that ratio, but even they cannot be relied on for the full picture.

Throwing on the tape, though, reveals... bluntly, a less talented version of Russell Wilson. Uncomfortable in structure, improvisational to his core, and really really bad at managing a pocket. He can scramble a bit and do so creatively (although his actual speed is fairly pedestrian), and he has decent arm strength with middling accuracy. His stats make sense given the context of how he fundamentally plays, and how he's played as a pro makes sense given how he played in college.

This can all be coached, but we do know what type of problems the guy has and how severe they've been shown to be just last year. Growth is always possible, but I don't see the upside in putting him in now.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

They're wrong to do so.

His YPA and sack numbers are much more worrying than that ratio, but even they cannot be relied on for the full picture.

Throwing on the tape, though, reveals... bluntly, a less talented version of Russell Wilson. Uncomfortable in structure, improvisational to his core, and really really bad at managing a pocket. He can scramble a bit and do so creatively (although his actual speed is fairly pedestrian), and he has decent arm strength with middling accuracy. His stats make sense given the context of how he fundamentally plays, and how he's played as a pro makes sense given how he played in college.

This can all be coached, but we do know what type of problems the guy has and how severe they've been shown to be just last year. Growth is always possible, but I don't see the upside in putting him in now.

The thing with Howell is he only started 1 year. With a bad organization and a pass happy coordinator that is not in the league right now, is think. Now we can take some things from this one season but not much. In my opinion he doesn't show any inability to be a good QB. He was basically a rookie when he started for the Cammanders last year. Now I've said it previously, Geno hasn't been bad enough for us to replace him with Howell so far. But if we continue to lose there is upside to him starting a few games. But only if we are completely out of the playoffs. We have a tough stretch of games coming up and can easily be on a 6 game losing streak in the next couple weeks. LETS HOPE NOT!

 

[toffee]

Yes, Geno had a bad game against the 49ers. Yes, he's going to put up 2-4 more bad games this season. No, Geno is not below average over the course of a season. For what he's being paid, Geno is a very good bargain. A lesser QB would set back the rebuild by a year or two.

Words of wisdom!

 

[toffee]

The thing with Howell is he only started 1 year. With a bad organization and a pass happy coordinator that is not in the league right now, is think. Now we can take some things from this one season but not much. In my opinion he doesn't show any inability to be a good QB. He was basically a rookie when he started for the Cammanders last year. Now I've said it previously, Geno hasn't been bad enough for us to replace him with Howell so far. But if we continue to lose there is upside to him starting a few games. But only if we are completely out of the playoffs. We have a tough stretch of games coming up and can easily be on a 6 game losing streak in the next couple weeks. LETS HOPE NOT!

Basing on body language, Geno is having confidence issues right now, benching him comes with the risk of further damage that confidence.

 

[James in PA]

If there was one game in which Geno couldn't afford to sh!t the bed in, it was the last one. That was probably the worst Niners team we've played in the last several matchups. They were beatable. Geno played nervous. 0-5 against the Niners now for Geno. We're never getting over the hump with him at the helm. I admire how he resurrected his career, but we really need to move on.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

Basing on body language, Geno is having confidence issues right now, benching him comes with the risk of further damage that confidence.

I think Geno will be fine if it happens, he has been there before and this is the pros we dont have time for anyones feelings. JS, learned the last time we didnt want to damage our QB's confidence he tried to get him fired. But I'm not saying we should at this point, just if it needs to happen we shouldn't hesitate.