Russell Wilson is Elite | I'm Putting the Nail in the Coffin

[Mad Dog]

I bet nearly 100 percent of players that go against him would say that Russ is a flat out baller. Players and coaches are who I would trust over fans. They are the ones who see him on the field and have to game plan for him.

I am not certain this is correct. With the amount of people that Carolina kept in the box all game, it was clear who they thought the flat out baller was.

Sgt is right. I don't think there is a single person on this board that hasn't admitted Russ is a good quarterback.

But you should be allowed to believe he is a good quarterback and also criticize parts of his game. Evidently not around these parts.

Why criticize any good player? I mean if you want to criticize a football player shouldn't you pick on the bad ones? There's plenty of mediocre players on this team to go after for their play. Why Russ? Russ is functioning at a high level for his position. Criticizing is just nit picking at that point.

If a guy is lazy, criticize away.
If a guy has a bad attitude, criticize away.
If a guy is a total bonehead, criticize away.

But going after one of the few team stars for deficiencies either perceived or real, I mean , what dark place in your soul does that come from?

 

[hgwellz12]

it's like The Walking Dead in this bitch!
Cat's gettin shot in the sternum with .50 cals and still get up stumbling at you with some bullshit that they'd NEVER even considered critiquing any of the other supposed GOATS for.

 

[Tical21]

I bet nearly 100 percent of players that go against him would say that Russ is a flat out baller. Players and coaches are who I would trust over fans. They are the ones who see him on the field and have to game plan for him.

I am not certain this is correct. With the amount of people that Carolina kept in the box all game, it was clear who they thought the flat out baller was.

Sgt is right. I don't think there is a single person on this board that hasn't admitted Russ is a good quarterback.

But you should be allowed to believe he is a good quarterback and also criticize parts of his game. Evidently not around these parts.

Why criticize any good player? I mean if you want to criticize a football player shouldn't you pick on the bad ones? There's plenty of mediocre players on this team to go after for their play. Why Russ? Russ is functioning at a high level for his position. Criticizing is just nit picking at that point.

If a guy is lazy, criticize away.
If a guy has a bad attitude, criticize away.
If a guy is a total bonehead, criticize away.

But going after one of the few team stars for deficiencies either perceived or real, I mean , what dark place in your soul does that come from?

Dude, hes the quarterback of the team that this message board is named after. If you think being a good player means you aren't allowed to be analyzed, where is the fun for those that like to analyze sports?

 

[Tical21]

Fair enough, prove to me that NFL Players don't see him as a top tier QB. That being said, I've beaten this dead horse enough. You will never think he's that great, and that's fine. Have a great day.

There in lies the rub..........."top tier" "elite"

These are vague subjective words and terms open to our own interpretations of what the word means. Of course everyone in the league thinks Russell's a "top tier" QB. Does that mean they think he's top 3? top 5? top 10? Where does the "elite" cutoff end?

Most leaguewide lists have Russell somewhere around 5-10. Is that elite? For some yes, for some no.

As a SGT., you should get the "Time In Grade" gig :lol:
If some folks are finding it difficult to bracket Wilson for his successes, they need only to look up his statistics, his Wins vs Losses, his TD's versus Interceptions, for the TIME THAT HE'S BEEN IN THE LEAGUE, and compare them to other ELITE Quarterbacks for their first 6 years or so, and voila, there you have it.
His detractors will never admit that they're wrong.

That's hard to do though because almost no quarterbacks had a Marshawn to help them with their win total, and surely none of them had arguably the best defense of all-time to ride with. I believe that there were 25 qbs in the nfl that would have won a Super Bowl with one of the best rosters the NFL has ever seen. So you have to factor that in. It isnt an apples/apples conversation.

 

[Scorpion05]

I bet nearly 100 percent of players that go against him would say that Russ is a flat out baller. Players and coaches are who I would trust over fans. They are the ones who see him on the field and have to game plan for him.

I am not certain this is correct. With the amount of people that Carolina kept in the box all game, it was clear who they thought the flat out baller was.

Sgt is right. I don't think there is a single person on this board that hasn't admitted Russ is a good quarterback.

But you should be allowed to believe he is a good quarterback and also criticize parts of his game. Evidently not around these parts.

If that was the case then why were they disguising coverage?

This is such a silly point. Defenses have to account for Ingram and Kamara. They go out of their way to stop them. It’s a large part, in addition to Brees why the Saints are so dangerous

Defenses worry about 3 things. Stopping Russell from running with his legs, stopping the run game, and stopping the deep ball. You’re trying way too hard to minimize Wilson to win an argument at this point

 

[KiwiHawk]

What I like about this thread is how both sides of the argument are keen to point out that football is a team sport, so the defense and running back make a big difference, and then turn right around and point to QB stats to try to make their respective cases.



Classic Seahawks.NET.

 

[Scorpion05]

Honest question: Why does it matter if a guy starts slow sometimes if he finishes better than most who have ever played the game? Shouldn't Wins and 4th quarter and OT numbers be the true measurement of how great a QB is? In addition to his leadership and his ability to be huge in the clutch??

Because the poor starts consistently put your team in a hole over and over creating scenarios where you have to be perfect in 2nd halves to win close games. Like we had to be in Carolina.

Yes Russell is clutch, but Russell also has games like Denver, Chicago, Chargers and Rams this year where he makes critical mistakes that contributed to us losing.

You're telling me if he could come out and get going quicker that wouldn't give us a bigger margin for error in the 2nd halves of those games being ahead by 7-10 pts instead of seemingly always being behind?

Consistency, That's "elite" to me. Guys like Brady and Brees are elite because they've done it year after year, game after game, and quarter after quarter.

Russell? Not there yet for me. For you? That's cool.

This is not even remotely logical. No QB in the league is great for all 4 quarters. They have great 1st halves, poor second halves. They turn the ball over, etc. 2017 was an extreme anomaly, and said far more about protection and playcalling. This year under Schotty and Solari, his play has been more even.

But let’s stop with this narrative that QBs like Brady and Brees are just driving up and down the field for all 4 quarters. You cannot have the numbers and success Russell has had without doing some things evenly, or better over the course of a game. For example, unlike Brees, I cannot see Russ having 9 seasons with 15 or more interceptions, or having more than one 7-9 season no matter how bad the defense is. Not with Sean Payton as his coach. If you’re going to highlight Russ flaws to suggest he doesn’t have something they have, let’s dissect those other QBs then

 

[Mad Dog]

Dude, hes the quarterback of the team that this message board is named after. If you think being a good player means you aren't allowed to be analyzed, where is the fun for those that like to analyze sports?

Analyze or criticize? Those are two very different terms. I'm all for thoughtful analysis. I'm not sure I've seen that recently. I've seen a ton of critical opinions like "Wilson starts too slow" or "Wilson is too inconsistent" or "Wilson can't carry a team". That's not analysis. It's undeserved criticism that has been largely debunked when the stats are looked at carefully.

Analysis would be more along the lines of, "Wilson has X difficulties in his game so we really should be trying to do Y things more to help him out." I don't think we see enough of that kind of analysis.

Let me start:
"I've noticed Wilson sometimes starts a game a little amped and starts sailing balls a bit with his high release. We should try getting a few easy completions to the big TE's early in the game to help settle that down."

That is far more fair minded and thoughtful than:

"Wilson sails way too many balls. No other good QB does that so often."

 

[SeaChase]

The OPs stats are hand picked. He uses the Qb rating as the best way to show that Wilson is elite. He also leaves out passing yards. He's also comparing Wilson's best 3 years vs Elite QBs that are pushing 40 years old. That's cute.

So if we use Passer Rating for elite status, Chad Pennington is the 12th best QB of all time.


"Things I Learned From Passer Rating

Lesson No. 1
a)Aaron Rodgers is the Greatest Of All-Time
b)Tony Romo is a top four QB in NFL history
c)Both of these QBs are greater than Manning, Warner, and Brady

Lesson No. 2
a)Chad Pennington is an all-time great
b)So is Daunte Culpepper
c)So is Carson Palmer
d)So is Jeff Garcia
e)So is Matt Schaub
f) All these QBs are greater than Favre and Mcnabb"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-from-passer-rating-and-completion-percentage

As for the slow first half starts, why don't you include 1st half incompletions, interceptions, and 3 and outs Vs the 2nd half?

How about completion percentage? Not so elite numbers there check for yourself. But I'm sure you already did and that's why they are not included.

I don't hate Wilson, I hate the hype. When he's playing like garbage, it's everyone else's fault. When he's doing great he's elite.

 

[Ad Hawk]

As for the slow first half starts, why don't you include 1st half incompletions, interceptions, and 3 and outs Vs the 2nd half?

How about completion percentage? Not so elite numbers there check for yourself. But I'm sure you already did and that's why they are not included.

I don't hate Wilson, I hate the hype. When he's playing like garbage, it's everyone else's fault. When he's doing great he's elite.

These are perfectly fair questions, especially the first couple. I'd love to see the breakdown for those, too. They're worth discussing and asking why and what can be fixed. But none of them change the great stats Russ has put up in other areas. Take the INTs for example. He's thrown 5 this season so far. Five. In eleven games. That would be a great stat with half the throws.

But 3-and-outs probably isn't directly tied directly or only to Russ's ability as a QB; it will be heavily influenced by scheme (run-run-pass) and long 3rd down yards-to-gain by penalties or bad running (see last year's atrocious 3rd down distances). It's also part of Pete's program to feel out the weaknesses of another team. That's not all on Russ, though some indeed may be his early jitters or worry about turning the ball over.

That's too bad you don't like hype; that tends to be what fans and fan forums are all about. We have a fantastic QB that many teams would give up a lot to acquire or whose carbon copy they'd love to draft, I'd imagine.

 

[Scorpion05]

I’d also add that under Carroll and Wilson, we’re in virtually every game. That’s not because we get blown out for 3 quarters then Russ scores a ton of TDs in the 4th. It’s because even when there’s a shootout, Russell makes the plays. Or Carroll’s game plan keeps it close. We have never been an “avalanche” team, bombarding teams with Touchdowns. We’re more like counter punchers, waiting for the right time to break you down. More often than not it leads to wins.

Point is, it’s hard to argue(outside of last year mostly) that Russ is simply a 4th quarter QB. What Russ(and Carroll) do is they make the plays and calls when necessary to keep the game even for at least 3 quarters. And look for turnovers or big play opportunities in between to take advantage of. Funny enough, that’s the main premise of the Air Coryell offense, that’s why he hired Schotty

 

[Scorpion05]

The OPs stats are hand picked. He uses the Qb rating as the best way to show that Wilson is elite. He also leaves out passing yards. He's also comparing Wilson's best 3 years vs Elite QBs that are pushing 40 years old. That's cute.

So if we use Passer Rating for elite status, Chad Pennington is the 12th best QB of all time.


"Things I Learned From Passer Rating

Lesson No. 1
a)Aaron Rodgers is the Greatest Of All-Time
b)Tony Romo is a top four QB in NFL history
c)Both of these QBs are greater than Manning, Warner, and Brady

Lesson No. 2
a)Chad Pennington is an all-time great
b)So is Daunte Culpepper
c)So is Carson Palmer
d)So is Jeff Garcia
e)So is Matt Schaub
f) All these QBs are greater than Favre and Mcnabb"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-from-passer-rating-and-completion-percentage

As for the slow first half starts, why don't you include 1st half incompletions, interceptions, and 3 and outs Vs the 2nd half?

How about completion percentage? Not so elite numbers there check for yourself. But I'm sure you already did and that's why they are not included.

I don't hate Wilson, I hate the hype. When he's playing like garbage, it's everyone else's fault. When he's doing great he's elite.

You could easily provide the research. Let’s compare then. Elite QBs in 1st and 2nd halves, throughout their career.

You didn’t contradict OP’s point. All you did was simply be anti-Wilson with no substance. People have provided film, clips, and stats to prove their point here.

Russ receives more criticism than most QBs with his level of play. He gets bashed even when he, by every objective metric had a terrible O-line. He got bashed when he had the worst running game in the league last year. Do you believe in honest and fair criticism? Or is fair criticism only considered to be Wilson bashing?

By the way, Chad Pennington and Tony Romo were really good QBs. You know what prevented them from being elite? For Pennington, it was injury. To which by the way, Russ has never missed a game. Played through an injured MCL and a torn pectoral. And some fans STILL criticized him. That fair to you too??

As for Romo, he was criticized for flopping in close games. He was said to lack the quality Brady, Montana, Elway, and now Russ was known for. Matt Schaub? Jeff Garcia? Never had the sustained success of Russ or other great Quarterbacks. Seriously are you kidding? Weak argument

Facts are not hard to find. Look at playoff passing statistics. Look at comparable numbers, and yes...Russell’s rushing numbers factor in as well. Claiming the OP is fudging numbers after doing all the comparisons objectively wont do much for your argument

 

[rcaido]

The OPs stats are hand picked. He uses the Qb rating as the best way to show that Wilson is elite. He also leaves out passing yards. He's also comparing Wilson's best 3 years vs Elite QBs that are pushing 40 years old. That's cute.

So if we use Passer Rating for elite status, Chad Pennington is the 12th best QB of all time.


"Things I Learned From Passer Rating

Lesson No. 1
a)Aaron Rodgers is the Greatest Of All-Time
b)Tony Romo is a top four QB in NFL history
c)Both of these QBs are greater than Manning, Warner, and Brady

Lesson No. 2
a)Chad Pennington is an all-time great
b)So is Daunte Culpepper
c)So is Carson Palmer
d)So is Jeff Garcia
e)So is Matt Schaub
f) All these QBs are greater than Favre and Mcnabb"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-from-passer-rating-and-completion-percentage

As for the slow first half starts, why don't you include 1st half incompletions, interceptions, and 3 and outs Vs the 2nd half?

How about completion percentage? Not so elite numbers there check for yourself. But I'm sure you already did and that's why they are not included.

I don't hate Wilson, I hate the hype. When he's playing like garbage, it's everyone else's fault. When he's doing great he's elite.

Ok i did the checking looks great to me.

2013
64.2% 2INT 2,164 yards
61.9% 7INT 1,687 yards

2014
62.1 7INT 2,150 yards
61.8 5INT 1,924 yards

2015
66% 5INT 2,067 yards
67.5% 6INT 2,403 yards

2016
65.9% 6INT 2,401yards
63.3% 7INT 2,163yards

2017
59.6% 6INT 1,659yards
62.9% 5INT 2,324yards

2018
69.5% 0INT 1,222yards
63.9% 5INT 1,309yards

Not sure why you bring up Interceptions & Completion percentages...Wilson is one the best. He is top 10 all time completion percentage. #2 all time in TD to INT ratio.

NEXT HATER PLEASE

 

[SeaChase]

The OPs stats are hand picked. He uses the Qb rating as the best way to show that Wilson is elite. He also leaves out passing yards. He's also comparing Wilson's best 3 years vs Elite QBs that are pushing 40 years old. That's cute.

So if we use Passer Rating for elite status, Chad Pennington is the 12th best QB of all time.


"Things I Learned From Passer Rating

Lesson No. 1
a)Aaron Rodgers is the Greatest Of All-Time
b)Tony Romo is a top four QB in NFL history
c)Both of these QBs are greater than Manning, Warner, and Brady

Lesson No. 2
a)Chad Pennington is an all-time great
b)So is Daunte Culpepper
c)So is Carson Palmer
d)So is Jeff Garcia
e)So is Matt Schaub
f) All these QBs are greater than Favre and Mcnabb"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-from-passer-rating-and-completion-percentage

As for the slow first half starts, why don't you include 1st half incompletions, interceptions, and 3 and outs Vs the 2nd half?

How about completion percentage? Not so elite numbers there check for yourself. But I'm sure you already did and that's why they are not included.

I don't hate Wilson, I hate the hype. When he's playing like garbage, it's everyone else's fault. When he's doing great he's elite.

Ok i did the checking looks great to me.

2013
64.2% 2INT 2,164 yards
61.9% 7INT 1,687 yards

2014
62.1 7INT 2,150 yards
61.8 5INT 1,924 yards

2015
66% 5INT 2,067 yards
67.5% 6INT 2,403 yards

2016
65.9% 6INT 2,401yards
63.3% 7INT 2,163yards

2017
59.6% 6INT 1,659yards
62.9% 5INT 2,324yards

2018
69.5% 0INT 1,222yards
63.9% 5INT 1,309yards

Not sure why you bring up Interceptions & Completion percentages...Wilson is one the best. He is top 10 all time completion percentage. #2 all time in TD to INT ratio.

For 2018, he's ranked 20th in passing yards. 2017 ranked 12th.
For 2018, he's ranked 15th in completion percentage. 2017 ranked 21st.

This is about being elite, those numbers don't really reflect that. I'll even sight my source. Next Wilson Fanboy please.

He's also ranked 11th in Qb Winning percentage in Games started for current QBs.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-completed

 

[Tical21]

The OPs stats are hand picked. He uses the Qb rating as the best way to show that Wilson is elite. He also leaves out passing yards. He's also comparing Wilson's best 3 years vs Elite QBs that are pushing 40 years old. That's cute.

So if we use Passer Rating for elite status, Chad Pennington is the 12th best QB of all time.


"Things I Learned From Passer Rating

Lesson No. 1
a)Aaron Rodgers is the Greatest Of All-Time
b)Tony Romo is a top four QB in NFL history
c)Both of these QBs are greater than Manning, Warner, and Brady

Lesson No. 2
a)Chad Pennington is an all-time great
b)So is Daunte Culpepper
c)So is Carson Palmer
d)So is Jeff Garcia
e)So is Matt Schaub
f) All these QBs are greater than Favre and Mcnabb"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-from-passer-rating-and-completion-percentage

As for the slow first half starts, why don't you include 1st half incompletions, interceptions, and 3 and outs Vs the 2nd half?

How about completion percentage? Not so elite numbers there check for yourself. But I'm sure you already did and that's why they are not included.

I don't hate Wilson, I hate the hype. When he's playing like garbage, it's everyone else's fault. When he's doing great he's elite.

Ok i did the checking looks great to me.

2013
64.2% 2INT 2,164 yards
61.9% 7INT 1,687 yards

2014
62.1 7INT 2,150 yards
61.8 5INT 1,924 yards

2015
66% 5INT 2,067 yards
67.5% 6INT 2,403 yards

2016
65.9% 6INT 2,401yards
63.3% 7INT 2,163yards

2017
59.6% 6INT 1,659yards
62.9% 5INT 2,324yards

2018
69.5% 0INT 1,222yards
63.9% q5INT 1,309yards

Not sure why you bring up Interceptions & Completion percentages...Wilson is one the best. He is top 10 all time completion percentage. #2 all time in TD to INT ratio.

NEXT HATER PLEASE

It is much easier to be careful with the football when you aren't being asked to push the ball into windows against teams sitting in zones playing the pass.

It was painfully clear that Russ needed a dominant running game to dictate easier coverages in order to exist. That really should be the most important point in the discussion.

 

[Sox-n-Hawks]

The OPs stats are hand picked. He uses the Qb rating as the best way to show that Wilson is elite. He also leaves out passing yards. He's also comparing Wilson's best 3 years vs Elite QBs that are pushing 40 years old. That's cute.

So if we use Passer Rating for elite status, Chad Pennington is the 12th best QB of all time.


"Things I Learned From Passer Rating

Lesson No. 1
a)Aaron Rodgers is the Greatest Of All-Time
b)Tony Romo is a top four QB in NFL history
c)Both of these QBs are greater than Manning, Warner, and Brady

Lesson No. 2
a)Chad Pennington is an all-time great
b)So is Daunte Culpepper
c)So is Carson Palmer
d)So is Jeff Garcia
e)So is Matt Schaub
f) All these QBs are greater than Favre and Mcnabb"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-from-passer-rating-and-completion-percentage

As for the slow first half starts, why don't you include 1st half incompletions, interceptions, and 3 and outs Vs the 2nd half?

How about completion percentage? Not so elite numbers there check for yourself. But I'm sure you already did and that's why they are not included.

I don't hate Wilson, I hate the hype. When he's playing like garbage, it's everyone else's fault. When he's doing great he's elite.

Ok i did the checking looks great to me.

2013
64.2% 2INT 2,164 yards
61.9% 7INT 1,687 yards

2014
62.1 7INT 2,150 yards
61.8 5INT 1,924 yards

2015
66% 5INT 2,067 yards
67.5% 6INT 2,403 yards

2016
65.9% 6INT 2,401yards
63.3% 7INT 2,163yards

2017
59.6% 6INT 1,659yards
62.9% 5INT 2,324yards

2018
69.5% 0INT 1,222yards
63.9% 5INT 1,309yards

Not sure why you bring up Interceptions & Completion percentages...Wilson is one the best. He is top 10 all time completion percentage. #2 all time in TD to INT ratio.

For 2018, he's ranked 20th in passing yards. 2017 ranked 12th.
For 2018, he's ranked 15th in completion percentage. 2017 ranked 21st.

This is about being elite, those numbers don't really reflect that. I'll even sight my source. Next Wilson Fanboy please.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-completed

Man... That Tom Brady guy must be FAR from Elite at #21 on the completion percentage. Wow, such a horrible QB.

What makes a QB Elite. Winning. I can cherry pick stats here and there. But the bottom line is, when you compare him at this point in his career to other "Elites" he's exceptional. His body of work speaks for itself.

What we have here is a classic Self Selection Bias argument. If you watch his body of work, he's brilliant. MOST of his stats support this. Cherry pick all you want. I'll watch him win.

 

[chris98251]

Fair enough, prove to me that NFL Players don't see him as a top tier QB. That being said, I've beaten this dead horse enough. You will never think he's that great, and that's fine. Have a great day.

There in lies the rub..........."top tier" "elite"

These are vague subjective words and terms open to our own interpretations of what the word means. Of course everyone in the league thinks Russell's a "top tier" QB. Does that mean they think he's top 3? top 5? top 10? Where does the "elite" cutoff end?

Most leaguewide lists have Russell somewhere around 5-10. Is that elite? For some yes, for some no.

As a SGT., you should get the "Time In Grade" gig :lol:
If some folks are finding it difficult to bracket Wilson for his successes, they need only to look up his statistics, his Wins vs Losses, his TD's versus Interceptions, for the TIME THAT HE'S BEEN IN THE LEAGUE, and compare them to other ELITE Quarterbacks for their first 6 years or so, and voila, there you have it.
His detractors will never admit that they're wrong.

That's hard to do though because almost no quarterbacks had a Marshawn to help them with their win total, and surely none of them had arguably the best defense of all-time to ride with. I believe that there were 25 qbs in the nfl that would have won a Super Bowl with one of the best rosters the NFL has ever seen. So you have to factor that in. It isnt an apples/apples conversation.

Yeah there has been no Franco Harris, Marcus Allen, John Riggins, Marshall Faulk, Larry Czonka, Calvin Hill, Terrell Davis, Jerome Bettis, or a few more I can't remember off the top of my head.

 

[SeaChase]

The OPs stats are hand picked. He uses the Qb rating as the best way to show that Wilson is elite. He also leaves out passing yards. He's also comparing Wilson's best 3 years vs Elite QBs that are pushing 40 years old. That's cute.

So if we use Passer Rating for elite status, Chad Pennington is the 12th best QB of all time.


"Things I Learned From Passer Rating

Lesson No. 1
a)Aaron Rodgers is the Greatest Of All-Time
b)Tony Romo is a top four QB in NFL history
c)Both of these QBs are greater than Manning, Warner, and Brady

Lesson No. 2
a)Chad Pennington is an all-time great
b)So is Daunte Culpepper
c)So is Carson Palmer
d)So is Jeff Garcia
e)So is Matt Schaub
f) All these QBs are greater than Favre and Mcnabb"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-from-passer-rating-and-completion-percentage

As for the slow first half starts, why don't you include 1st half incompletions, interceptions, and 3 and outs Vs the 2nd half?

How about completion percentage? Not so elite numbers there check for yourself. But I'm sure you already did and that's why they are not included.

I don't hate Wilson, I hate the hype. When he's playing like garbage, it's everyone else's fault. When he's doing great he's elite.

Ok i did the checking looks great to me.

2013
64.2% 2INT 2,164 yards
61.9% 7INT 1,687 yards

2014
62.1 7INT 2,150 yards
61.8 5INT 1,924 yards

2015
66% 5INT 2,067 yards
67.5% 6INT 2,403 yards

2016
65.9% 6INT 2,401yards
63.3% 7INT 2,163yards

2017
59.6% 6INT 1,659yards
62.9% 5INT 2,324yards

2018
69.5% 0INT 1,222yards
63.9% 5INT 1,309yards

Not sure why you bring up Interceptions & Completion percentages...Wilson is one the best. He is top 10 all time completion percentage. #2 all time in TD to INT ratio.

For 2018, he's ranked 20th in passing yards. 2017 ranked 12th.
For 2018, he's ranked 15th in completion percentage. 2017 ranked 21st.

This is about being elite, those numbers don't really reflect that. I'll even sight my source. Next Wilson Fanboy please.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-completed

Man... That Tom Brady guy must be FAR from Elite at #21 on the completion percentage. Wow, such a horrible QB.

What makes a QB Elite. Winning. I can cherry pick stats here and there. But the bottom line is, when you compare him at this point in his career to other "Elites" he's exceptional. His body of work speaks for itself.

What we have here is a classic Self Selection Bias argument. If you watch his body of work, he's brilliant. MOST of his stats support this. Cherry pick all you want. I'll watch him win.

Brady is 41...the previous 2 years he was ranked 5th and 7th.

 

[Sox-n-Hawks]

Ok i did the checking looks great to me.

2013
64.2% 2INT 2,164 yards
61.9% 7INT 1,687 yards

2014
62.1 7INT 2,150 yards
61.8 5INT 1,924 yards

2015
66% 5INT 2,067 yards
67.5% 6INT 2,403 yards

2016
65.9% 6INT 2,401yards
63.3% 7INT 2,163yards

2017
59.6% 6INT 1,659yards
62.9% 5INT 2,324yards

2018
69.5% 0INT 1,222yards
63.9% 5INT 1,309yards

Not sure why you bring up Interceptions & Completion percentages...Wilson is one the best. He is top 10 all time completion percentage. #2 all time in TD to INT ratio.

For 2018, he's ranked 20th in passing yards. 2017 ranked 12th.
For 2018, he's ranked 15th in completion percentage. 2017 ranked 21st.

This is about being elite, those numbers don't really reflect that. I'll even sight my source. Next Wilson Fanboy please.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-completed

Man... That Tom Brady guy must be FAR from Elite at #21 on the completion percentage. Wow, such a horrible QB.

What makes a QB Elite. Winning. I can cherry pick stats here and there. But the bottom line is, when you compare him at this point in his career to other "Elites" he's exceptional. His body of work speaks for itself.

What we have here is a classic Self Selection Bias argument. If you watch his body of work, he's brilliant. MOST of his stats support this. Cherry pick all you want. I'll watch him win.

Brady is 41...the previous 2 years he was ranked 5th and 7th.

Wow with that kind on inconsistency he must be awful. I bet he’s never even been to a playoff game.

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FYI Brady's 6th year in the league.... He posted a 61.3% completion rate.... 4% less than RW at the same stage in his career.

 

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For 2018, he's ranked 20th in passing yards. 2017 ranked 12th.
For 2018, he's ranked 15th in completion percentage. 2017 ranked 21st.

This is about being elite, those numbers don't really reflect that. I'll even sight my source. Next Wilson Fanboy please.

He's also ranked 11th in Qb Winning percentage in Games started for current QBs.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-completed

The overall yards is less important than the yards/attempt or yards/catch. Russ doesn't throw as much as some QB's. That's not Russ' fault, nor does it say anything about his ability as a QB. It's a stat entirely based on scheme.

As per your second question, completion %, that number is certainly not top-5 for this season. So I agree, he's not the best this season in completion %.

Just a caution, though: make sure to check on the number of drops by his receivers. PFF's stats for adjusted completion % (excluding drops by less-than-excellent supporting cast of receivers/RBs/TEs) puts him at 71% for last year, which placed him second in the league. I'm not suggest this year is the same.