Rumor: RW asking to be the highest paid player in history

[Tical21]

That'd be a great list if your end goal was to make the playoffs.

Well 6 QBs from that list have won at least one SB

Exactly!! And they ALL got paid and haven't gone back since!! Exactly!

 

[Ad Hawk]

That'd be a great list if your end goal was to make the playoffs.

You can't win the SB without making the playoffs. Only 1 in 32 teams wins the SB. But the odds increase if you make the playoffs to 1 in 12. Keep doing that year after year and the odds increase even more.

And what you will find without fail is that those teams who makes the playoffs year after year are led by elite QB's making big time money.

But again, how many of those who have actually won the superbowl are those who are paid the highest? This is where it appears the data shows the top money-maker does not win it. And so if history holds true, we may consistently get to the playoffs if RW is the highest paid, but the chances of winning the big game itself decrease.

Is it possible to pay him handsomely--yet not the highest-paid QB in the league--and still keep him? That remains to be seen. He may end up the highest paid in some facets of the contract, but not in others (such as guaranteed money vs. total/year, etc.).

 

[Tical21]

Obviously, the winning solution is to write it into his contract that he is to make one dollar less than the 5th highest paid QB each year for the next 5 years. He gets filthy rich and we win 5 Super Bowls.

 

[Tical21]

Clearly, the way to win championships is to strike while you have a quarterback whose contract is not cumbersome, allowing you to build an awesome team around him. We literally just proved how incredibly successful this theory is. It may well be the BIGGEST reason we won a title and went back the next year. We had the highest bang for the buck at the QB position in the NFL.

Out of all of these teams since 1999 that have won a Super Bowl, we are probably more equipped to go back without paying our quarterback than any other team has been.

Huge risk. There's a chance we're not very good for a while if we let Russell walk. But I also think it greatly improves our chances of winning multiple Super Bowls. IF we can get another top-15 quarterback, we can have our cake and eat it too.

 

[Anthony!]

That'd be a great list if your end goal was to make the playoffs.

You can't win the SB without making the playoffs. Only 1 in 32 teams wins the SB. But the odds increase if you make the playoffs to 1 in 12. Keep doing that year after year and the odds increase even more.

And what you will find without fail is that those teams who makes the playoffs year after year are led by elite QB's making big time money.

But again, how many of those who have actually won the superbowl are those who are paid the highest? This is where it appears the data shows the top money-maker does not win it. And so if history holds true, we may consistently get to the playoffs if RW is the highest paid, but the chances of winning the big game itself decrease.

Is it possible to pay him handsomely--yet not the highest-paid QB in the league--and still keep him? That remains to be seen. He may end up the highest paid in some facets of the contract, but not in others (such as guaranteed money vs. total/year, etc.).

So we should not pay Wilson and hope to get to the Sb once every 10+ years or so, or pay Wilson and have a chance every year. SO again not pay Wilson and the chances of even making the playoffs decrease major and winning the SB still not great, or pay WIlson the chances of making the playoffs go up major but winning the SB decreases.

Well last I checked you have to make the playoffs first. You need to win first and do so consistently, and for that you need a Franchise QB.

 

[Ad Hawk]

That'd be a great list if your end goal was to make the playoffs.

You can't win the SB without making the playoffs. Only 1 in 32 teams wins the SB. But the odds increase if you make the playoffs to 1 in 12. Keep doing that year after year and the odds increase even more.

And what you will find without fail is that those teams who makes the playoffs year after year are led by elite QB's making big time money.

But again, how many of those who have actually won the superbowl are those who are paid the highest? This is where it appears the data shows the top money-maker does not win it. And so if history holds true, we may consistently get to the playoffs if RW is the highest paid, but the chances of winning the big game itself decrease.

Is it possible to pay him handsomely--yet not the highest-paid QB in the league--and still keep him? That remains to be seen. He may end up the highest paid in some facets of the contract, but not in others (such as guaranteed money vs. total/year, etc.).

So we should not pay Wilson and hope to get to the Sb once every 10+ years or so, or pay Wilson and have a chance every year. SO again not pay Wilson and the chances of even making the playoffs decrease major and winning the SB still not great, or pay WIlson the chances of making the playoffs go up major but winning the SB decreases.

Well last I checked you have to make the playoffs first. You need to win first and do so consistently, and for that you need a Franchise QB.

Be careful not to make others say what they're not saying. I never said we "should not pay Wilson," nor did I imply it. The question is how much, and I'd argue making him the highest-paid QB in the league right now, this year, may be the death-knell for another Superbowl win. Getting to the playoffs is always fun, and I'd rather go than not. But how long can we field a SB-caliber (not merely "playoffs") team if he takes 17-20% of the salary cap by himself?

I don't know the answer to this, and I doubt anyone else here does. It's all speculation. But we do so to explain why the two sides of this negotiation haven't yet resolved their differences. The fact that the deal isn't yet done is a clear evidence that what RW's agent wants for him isn't realistic, nor does JS value him at that level, no matter how much people on this board chant "pay the man."

Will I be disappointed if he leaves? Absolutely. I hope a large pay-day happens for RW as he's earned it. I hope the team's core can stay intact for several more years without getting into salary-cap trouble. JS has the big picture, and maybe some of you do, too. I don't. I'm just trying to make sense out of what is, or isn't yet, happening with RW's contractt.

 

[volsunghawk]

That'd be a great list if your end goal was to make the playoffs.

Well 6 QBs from that list have won at least one SB

Exactly!! And they ALL got paid and haven't gone back since!! Exactly!

Except, you know, Brady - who has gotten paid handsomely and gone back to the SB multiple times. Even got a win recently.

Manning was well compensated by the time he got his ring. So was Drew Brees.

And Aaron Rodgers - the highest paid QB in the league - was pretty damn close to getting back to the SB this past season and likely would have if only a couple of plays had gone the other way.

 

[seatownlowdown]

(Just another day in Pete Carroll's office at the VMAC)

Pete Caroll: So Russell wants us to make him the highest paid player... ever?

John Schneider: (Smiles, nods)

Pete Carroll & John Schneider: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! .... AHAHAHAHAH (finish their margaritas) AHAHAHHAHAH.

Pete Carroll: Well John, you know what must be done.

John Schneider: Don't worry Petey, I once told Favre to piss off too.

MADDEN GM MODE ACTIVATED:

[SEATTLE SEAHAWKS PROPOSE TRADE TO CLEVELAND BROWNS]

SEAHAWKS QB RUSSELL WILSON FOR QB JOHNNY MANZIEL + BROWNS 1ST AND 3RD RD PICKS IN 2016 NFL DRAFT + 2ND RD PICK IN 2017 NFL DRAFT

[TRADE ACCEPTED]

 

[theincrediblesok]

I'm looking at this salary cap for the top 15 teams for 2014 that had more money tied up to the Defensive side

9 teams on there went to the Playoffs.
3 Teams, Broncos, Lions and Eagles had more money on the offensive side but were all Top 10 Defenses according to DVOA.
Any team not listed in the Top 15 had more money tied into the offense
By looking at the salary cap and the defensive DVOA, it shows that you need a good QB and a top 15 defense (Greenbay was 16th) to get into the playoffs.

Teams like the Houston Texans (6th in Defensive DVOA) spent more money on the offensive side but still didn't have a good QB, no playoffs

Cleveland Browns (11th), St. Louis Rams (9th), Buffallo Bills (2nd), Tennessee Titans (29th), and Vikings (23rd) went all out to spend on their defense. One problem no QB to help take pressure off their defense, which leads to no playoffs. So if you want to take the chance to get rid of Wilson and spend more money on the defensive side then no matter how elite our defense is we could very well become one of those teams.

Source: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2014/




Defense DVOA stats for 2014
Use for reference above

#1 Seattle **Superbowl
#2 Buffalo - no
#3 Detroit (lost playoff)
#4 Denver (lost playoff)
#5 San Francisco - no
#6 Houston - no
#7 Arizona (lost playoff)
#8 Baltimore (lost playoff)
#9 St. Louis - no
#10 Philadelphia - no
#11 Cleveland - no
#12 New England **Superbowl
#13 Indianapolis (lost playoff)
#14 Cincinnati (lost playoff)
#15 Carolina (lost playoff)
#16 Green Bay (lost playoff)

 

[Tical21]

That'd be a great list if your end goal was to make the playoffs.

Well 6 QBs from that list have won at least one SB

Exactly!! And they ALL got paid and haven't gone back since!! Exactly!

Except, you know, Brady - who has gotten paid handsomely and gone back to the SB multiple times. Even got a win recently.

Manning was well compensated by the time he got his ring. So was Drew Brees.

And Aaron Rodgers - the highest paid QB in the league - was pretty damn close to getting back to the SB this past season and likely would have if only a couple of plays had gone the other way.

Brady got paid after his second one, and the Pats immediately stopped winning Super Bowls until he agreed to take a smaller contract, then wa-la they went back and won again.

 

[Anthony!]

You can't win the SB without making the playoffs. Only 1 in 32 teams wins the SB. But the odds increase if you make the playoffs to 1 in 12. Keep doing that year after year and the odds increase even more.

And what you will find without fail is that those teams who makes the playoffs year after year are led by elite QB's making big time money.

But again, how many of those who have actually won the superbowl are those who are paid the highest? This is where it appears the data shows the top money-maker does not win it. And so if history holds true, we may consistently get to the playoffs if RW is the highest paid, but the chances of winning the big game itself decrease.

Is it possible to pay him handsomely--yet not the highest-paid QB in the league--and still keep him? That remains to be seen. He may end up the highest paid in some facets of the contract, but not in others (such as guaranteed money vs. total/year, etc.).

So we should not pay Wilson and hope to get to the Sb once every 10+ years or so, or pay Wilson and have a chance every year. SO again not pay Wilson and the chances of even making the playoffs decrease major and winning the SB still not great, or pay WIlson the chances of making the playoffs go up major but winning the SB decreases.

Well last I checked you have to make the playoffs first. You need to win first and do so consistently, and for that you need a Franchise QB.

Be careful not to make others say what they're not saying. I never said we "should not pay Wilson," nor did I imply it. The question is how much, and I'd argue making him the highest-paid QB in the league right now, this year, may be the death-knell for another Superbowl win. Getting to the playoffs is always fun, and I'd rather go than not. But how long can we field a SB-caliber (not merely "playoffs") team if he takes 17-20% of the salary cap by himself?

I don't know the answer to this, and I doubt anyone else here does. It's all speculation. But we do so to explain why the two sides of this negotiation haven't yet resolved their differences. The fact that the deal isn't yet done is a clear evidence that what RW's agent wants for him isn't realistic, nor does JS value him at that level, no matter how much people on this board chant "pay the man."

Will I be disappointed if he leaves? Absolutely. I hope a large pay-day happens for RW as he's earned it. I hope the team's core can stay intact for several more years without getting into salary-cap trouble. JS has the big picture, and maybe some of you do, too. I don't. I'm just trying to make sense out of what is, or isn't yet, happening with RW's contractt.

I do not agree that the act a deal is not done is proof that Wilsons camp is the issue. For all we know it is the FO that is the issue. Maybe all Wilsons a camp wants is 5-6 years at 20 mil, but the FO only wants 4, All there other contract are only 4 years. IF that is the case than the FO is the problem. AS to

"Getting to the playoffs is always fun, and I'd rather go than not. But how long can we field a SB-caliber (not merely "playoffs") team if he takes 17-20% of the salary cap by himself?"

How many more times with we be even a playoff team without Wilson and no franchise QB? To me you have to be bale to get to the playoffs to even get to the SB, so that comes first. No playoffs, no SB. Also GB came within 1 play of the SB, Denver went last year, Brady this year. You can pay a QB top money and still make the SB. You just need your FO to do their jobs.

 

[Anthony!]

I'm looking at this salary cap for the top 15 teams for 2014

9 teams on there went to the Playoffs.
3 Teams, Broncos, Lions and Eagles had more money on the offensive side but were all Top 10 Defenses according to DVOA.
Any team not listed in the Top 15 had more money tied into the offense
By looking at the salary cap and the defensive DVOA, it shows that you need a good QB and a top 15 defense (Greenbay was 16th) to get into the playoffs.

Teams like the Houston Texans (6th in Defensive DVOA), Cleveland Browns (11th), St. Louis Rams (9th), Buffallo Bills (2nd), Tennessee Titans (29th), and Vikings (23rd) went all out to spend on their defense. One problem no QB to help take pressure off their defense, which leads to no playoffs. So if you want to take the chance to get rid of Wilson and spend more money on the defensive side then no matter how elite our defense is we could very well become one of those teams.

Source: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2014/




Defense DVOA stats for 2014
Use for reference above

#1 Seattle **Superbowl
#2 Buffalo - no
#3 Detroit (lost playoff)
#4 Denver (lost playoff)
#5 San Francisco - no
#6 Houston - no
#7 Arizona (lost playoff)
#8 Baltimore (lost playoff)
#9 St. Louis - no
#10 Philadelphia - no
#11 Cleveland - no
#12 New England **Superbowl
#13 Indianapolis (lost playoff)
#14 Cincinnati (lost playoff)
#15 Carolina (lost playoff)
#16 Green Bay (lost playoff)

Good post people forget how much a good QB can help a defense. in 2011 our defense was on the filed an avg of 33 minutes. Since than it has been on the field an avg of 27 minutes. I bet not being on the field those extra 6 minutes sure does help. FYI we had Lynch in 2011 the difference is the QB.

 

[theincrediblesok]

**Correction I should make a note that Houston Texans had more money on the Offensive side, that still tells you that even when your rank 6th in Defensive DVOA and pay all that money on offense with a mediocre QB you won't make it either, it comes down to having a good QB.

 

[HuskerHawk]

(Just another day in Pete Carroll's office at the VMAC)

Pete Caroll: So Russell wants us to make him the highest paid player... ever?

John Schneider: (Smiles, nods)

Pete Carroll & John Schneider: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! .... AHAHAHAHAH (finish their margaritas) AHAHAHHAHAH.

Pete Carroll: Well John, you know what must be done.

John Schneider: Don't worry Petey, I once told Favre to piss off too.

MADDEN GM MODE ACTIVATED:

[SEATTLE SEAHAWKS PROPOSE TRADE TO CLEVELAND BROWNS]

SEAHAWKS QB RUSSELL WILSON FOR QB JOHNNY MANZIEL + BROWNS 1ST AND 3RD RD PICKS IN 2016 NFL DRAFT + 2ND RD PICK IN 2017 NFL DRAFT

[TRADE ACCEPTED]

Sure. I'll just leave this here...
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[Northwest Seahawk]

I would not pay him more than 24 million a year. 25 million a year is just not going to happen it's not realistic not this year anyway. I'm not sure 24 is realistic this year. Rogers is making around 22 and he's a better QB, Wilson is worth 24 imo but not a penny more and that's for an extension of his existing contract . It does sound like Wilson wants a new contract starting this year but I don't see them doing that. Lynch is a separate issue he is the best at his position and we had to give him a new deal . Zero chance of doing much without an elite back. Our offense just isn't set up right now for a mostly passing attack. Maybe that changes this year with the addition of Graham and Matthews picks up where he left off along with Baldwin and Kearse. We really can't afford to lose Wagner either the FO has some work to do hopefully they can make it work. Can they even give an extension to Wilson and Wagner this year seems doubtful.

 

[Hawkfan77]

That'd be a great list if your end goal was to make the playoffs.

Well 6 QBs from that list have won at least one SB

Exactly!! And they ALL got paid and haven't gone back since!! Exactly!

Except, you know, Brady - who has gotten paid handsomely and gone back to the SB multiple times. Even got a win recently.

Manning was well compensated by the time he got his ring. So was Drew Brees.

And Aaron Rodgers - the highest paid QB in the league - was pretty damn close to getting back to the SB this past season and likely would have if only a couple of plays had gone the other way.

But that doesn't fit into his narrative that it's impossible for paid QBs to be on good teams...or whatever he's trying to say. He's arguing multiple points at one time without making much sense other than he doesn't want a franchise QB

 

[Anthony!]

I would not pay him more than 24 million a year. 25 million a year is just not going to happen it's not realistic not this year anyway. I'm not sure 24 is realistic this year. Rogers is making around 22 and he's a better QB, Wilson is worth 24 imo but not a penny more and that's for an extension of his existing contract . It does sound like Wilson wants a new contract starting this year but I don't see them doing that. Lynch is a separate issue he is the best at his position and we had to give him a new deal . Zero chance of doing much without an elite back. Our offense just isn't set up right now for a mostly passing attack. Maybe that changes this year with the addition of Graham and Matthews picks up where he left off along with Baldwin and Kearse. We really can't afford to lose Wagner either the FO has some work to do hopefully they can make it work. Can they even give an extension to Wilson and Wagner this year seems doubtful.

I could argue Lynch is not the best a this position, he is amongst the best but not the best.

 

[Ambrose83]

Clearly, the way to win championships is to strike while you have a quarterback whose contract is not cumbersome, allowing you to build an awesome team around him. We literally just proved how incredibly successful this theory is. It may well be the BIGGEST reason we won a title and went back the next year. We had the highest bang for the buck at the QB position in the NFL.

Out of all of these teams since 1999 that have won a Super Bowl, we are probably more equipped to go back without paying our quarterback than any other team has been.

Huge risk. There's a chance we're not very good for a while if we let Russell walk. But I also think it greatly improves our chances of winning multiple Super Bowls. IF we can get another top-15 quarterback, we can have our cake and eat it too.

honestly, this has to be top 5 most retarded things I have ever read. If you really think we can get back to the SB with another qb if RW walks.... man you have good drugs... we went to 1 other SB in 35+ years before RW.... we had a few decent teams and QBs over that span..... we cant just plug in another guy with this team and be elite.. RW is the key to that elite team......

 

[Anthony!]

Well 6 QBs from that list have won at least one SB

Exactly!! And they ALL got paid and haven't gone back since!! Exactly!

Except, you know, Brady - who has gotten paid handsomely and gone back to the SB multiple times. Even got a win recently.

Manning was well compensated by the time he got his ring. So was Drew Brees.

And Aaron Rodgers - the highest paid QB in the league - was pretty damn close to getting back to the SB this past season and likely would have if only a couple of plays had gone the other way.

But that doesn't fit into his narrative that it's impossible for paid QBs to be on good teams...or whatever he's trying to say. He's arguing multiple points at one time without making much sense other than he doesn't want a franchise QB

No he is okay with a franchise QB as long as it is the QB he chose. If this was Flynn and he actually was able to do what Wilson did he would be all for paying him.

 

[theincrediblesok]

Clearly, the way to win championships is to strike while you have a quarterback whose contract is not cumbersome, allowing you to build an awesome team around him. We literally just proved how incredibly successful this theory is. It may well be the BIGGEST reason we won a title and went back the next year. We had the highest bang for the buck at the QB position in the NFL.

Out of all of these teams since 1999 that have won a Super Bowl, we are probably more equipped to go back without paying our quarterback than any other team has been.

Huge risk. There's a chance we're not very good for a while if we let Russell walk. But I also think it greatly improves our chances of winning multiple Super Bowls. IF we can get another top-15 quarterback, we can have our cake and eat it too.

honestly, this has to be top 5 most retarded things I have ever read. If you really think we can get back to the SB with another qb if RW walks.... man you have good drugs... we went to 1 other SB in 35+ years before RW.... we had a few decent teams and QBs over that span..... we cant just plug in another guy with this team and be elite.. RW is the key to that elite team......

Wow......What he doesn't know is that the Top 15 QBs already belongs to a team or will be a franchise QB for that team minus Mark Sanchez and all already have huge contracts, and play more in a passing league. Your stuck with Ryan Fitzpatrick, Alex Smith, Geno Smith, etc in the lower tier if you want guys to really just manage the games and not be dynamic, and those guys are well below the Top 15 list.