Rumor - Jadeveon Clowney to Seahawks?

[mrblitz]

can we bring him in on the veteran minimum; see what he's got left in the tank?

 

[OahuHawkFan]

Careful. I may have to take you out to the woodshed. My point about Duane Brown is that he has an insight to Clowney that can’t be obtained from YouTube, instagram, Snapchat or anything else you can find on the google machine. He knows the guy. He knows his work habits in both practice and games. He knows his personality. He has gone against him on a daily basis in practice. He knows what kind of teammate he is. I guarantee you if John and Pete are even considering the prospect of trading for him they have had conversations with Brown. It’s called due diligence.

While this sounds logical. I'm not sure if it works that way commonly. I think for certain team leaders (for example: Russel Wilson, Bobby Wagner), I could see the GM or Coach somewhat informally asking a player for their feedback.

But I could also see this as a bit of a conflict of interest between the player and the NFL Players Union. Sometimes, things get convoluted like that. I'd guess the GM / Coach need to tread more carefully than you might expect.

I don’t see how that would be a conflict of interest. I’m sure these types of conversations happen all the time between management and players. It happens in the business world all the time. No difference than a reference. I have no doubt that Johnand/or Pete have asked Brown what he thinks of Clowney as a player and teammate. Not that hard to imagine.

^This.

That would not even be closely considered a conflict of interest.

The conflict of interest would be from the players perspective - not the Coaches or GM's. Again, I'm not saying this is necessarily logical or right. I also agree that it happens in the business world frequently. But what I'm referring to has to do with a UNION environment - particularly the NFL Players Association.

If it got back to Player A that Player B was consulted by Owner Group Z - particularly in reference to something so serious as a Trade (and a potential next contract), you're saying that Player A wouldn't have some sort of case for a possible grievance in this crazy world we're living in? It could essentially be construed as reverse "tampering".

To be clear, I'm definitely playing devils advocate here, and it's very much a tangent from the topic at hand. But it simply wouldn't shock me if a practice we all assume is common place is not as common as we think. I could be (and hope I am) wrong.

 

[Bobblehead]

You got 20 million to spend
You got a bundle for Clark

What's there to lose, go for it, get the guy for a 2 or a 3rd round draft choice.

 

[massari]

You got 20 million to spend
You got a bundle for Clark

What's there to lose, go for it, get the guy for a 2 or a 3rd round draft choice.

I'll take the cap rollover and high draft pick over Clowney.

 

[Fade]

No, not right now.


Maybe mid-season at the trade deadline, after the Texans have picked up nearly half of the the bill.

I would just roll with what they have now, and mid-year look to deal for a pass rusher at the deadline. Less money against your cap, and potentially less draft capitol surrendered.


Clowney is not a player that his reputation proceeds. He is a good pass rusher, not great, strong against the run, loves to get injured, doesn't miss as many games as some would think, but is seemingly always playing hampered. He also likes to turn it on and off.

I am not giving up anything significant at this juncture for him, and a 2nd rd pick would be significant.

Now if he shows he is playing heavily motivatited this year, and the Texans are still willing to deal mid year, I would be fine with the Seahawks renting him for a playoff push if the stars align.

 

[Chawker]

No, not right now.


Maybe mid-season at the trade deadline, after the Texans have picked up nearly half of the the bill.

I would just roll with what they have now, and mid-year look to deal for a pass rusher at the deadline. Less money against your cap, and potentially less draft capitol surrendered.


Clowney is not a player that his reputation proceeds. He is a good pass rusher, not great, strong against the run, loves to get injured, doesn't miss as many games as some would think, but is seemingly always playing hampered. He also likes to turn it on and off.

I am not giving up anything significant at this juncture for him, and a 2nd rd pick would be significant.

Now if he shows he is playing heavily motivatited this year, and the Texans are still willing to deal mid year, I would be fine with the Seahawks renting him for a playoff push if the stars align.

Brilliant post fade, like usual.

 

[IndyHawk]

No, not right now.


Maybe mid-season at the trade deadline, after the Texans have picked up nearly half of the the bill.

I would just roll with what they have now, and mid-year look to deal for a pass rusher at the deadline. Less money against your cap, and potentially less draft capitol surrendered.


Clowney is not a player that his reputation proceeds. He is a good pass rusher, not great, strong against the run, loves to get injured, doesn't miss as many games as some would think, but is seemingly always playing hampered. He also likes to turn it on and off.

I am not giving up anything significant at this juncture for him, and a 2nd rd pick would be significant.

Now if he shows he is playing heavily motivatited this year, and the Texans are still willing to deal mid year, I would be fine with the Seahawks renting him for a playoff push if the stars align.

Turns it on/off?Sounds like an old Frank Clark..I'd rather keep the cash
and picks we have..In any trade I would never give a top 3 pick as we can
draft a future star with those.

 

[olyfan63]

Turns it on/off?Sounds like an old Frank Clark..I'd rather keep the cash
and picks we have..In any trade I would never give a top 3 pick as we can
draft a future star with those.

I don't really recall ever seeing Frank Clark "Turn it on/turn it off" e.g., take a few plays off.
Maybe gassed on some plays, but the only Clark I ever saw was the one giving 100%+ on every play.

When exactly did this take-plays-off Clark appear, what games and plays?
I don't see KC giving us the package of draft picks they did for a selective-effort Clark.
And we know KC watched a *lot* of Frank Clark film before making that offer.

Please back up your assertion about Clark with some actual data.
Or did you mean it a different way than it sounded?

 

[jammerhawk]

JS got burned on the S. Richardson trade and is unlikely to trade away a second for a 1 yr. rental.

 

[getnasty]

Do we get a comp pick if he signs elsewhere after the year? If we want to talk Superbowl the i say trade for him, if were fine getting to the playoffs then i say don't. I know the Richardson trade didn't go as planned but it was still the right move and even with that not working out we were still in the playoffs the following year. If an unmotivated Clowney is grabbing 9 sack and solid against the run i'd like to see what a motivated Clowney next to Reed and Ansah can do.

 

[RiverDog]

Do we get a comp pick if he signs elsewhere after the year? If we want to talk Superbowl the i say trade for him, if were fine getting to the playoffs then i say don't. I know the Richardson trade didn't go as planned but it was still the right move and even with that not working out we were still in the playoffs the following year. If an unmotivated Clowney is grabbing 9 sack and solid against the run i'd like to see what a motivated Clowney next to Reed and Ansah can do.

Comp picks depend on a lot of things and the league has never disclosed their actual formula for awarding them. If we were to trade for Clowney then lose him to another team and if we don't sign any free agents ourselves, I've been told that we might get a comp pick for him.

 

[McGruff]

Turns it on/off?Sounds like an old Frank Clark..I'd rather keep the cash
and picks we have..In any trade I would never give a top 3 pick as we can
draft a future star with those.

I don't really recall ever seeing Frank Clark "Turn it on/turn it off" e.g., take a few plays off.
Maybe gassed on some plays, but the only Clark I ever saw was the one giving 100%+ on every play.

When exactly did this take-plays-off Clark appear, what games and plays?
I don't see KC giving us the package of draft picks they did for a selective-effort Clark.
And we know KC watched a *lot* of Frank Clark film before making that offer.

Please back up your assertion about Clark with some actual data.
Or did you mean it a different way than it sounded?

Fans expect pass rushers to impact every single play. If they dont, it must be because they "took plays off."

 

[Tusc2000]

Jadeveon Clowney = Jimmy Graham

Freak athlete with awesome potential, makes the occasional jew-dropping play ... but in the end, does not live up to the hype.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Jadeveon Clowney = Jimmy Graham

Freak athlete with awesome potential, makes the occasional jew-dropping play ... but in the end, does not live up to the hype.

Clowney's been one of the most consistently great DE's in the league the past two years, so let's get that straight. He's a 50+ tackle/10 sack DE, and he's as good against the run as he is rushing the passer.

The questions are his health and what is Houston asking for in return for a player that we might only have for one season.

- If they're only asking for a 2nd and he's willing to come and play out his contract? Then I'm in.
- If they're asking for a 1st (or multiple early picks) and Clowney's still not going to sign his tender and be a distraction?

Nope.

 

[2_0_6]

I would do this deal, IF he would actually report without a new deal.

2020 2nd round pick straight up for Clowney

Let him play the season and hope he does great, then let him walk next season for a 3rd round comp. Essentially you would be renting him in exchange from sliding from the second round to the third.

 

[Osprey]

I would do this deal, IF he would actually report without a new deal.

2020 2nd round pick straight up for Clowney

Let him play the season and hope he does great, then let him walk next season for a 3rd round comp. Essentially you would be renting him in exchange from sliding from the second round to the third.

Really a two round slip when you factor in the delay in receiving the pick (2021) assuming the formula actually works in your favor that year.

Don't think I'd pay over a 3rd for a one year rental unless it's a guaranteed superstar which Clowney isn't.

 

[2_0_6]

I would do this deal, IF he would actually report without a new deal.

2020 2nd round pick straight up for Clowney

Let him play the season and hope he does great, then let him walk next season for a 3rd round comp. Essentially you would be renting him in exchange from sliding from the second round to the third.

Really a two round slip when you factor in the delay in receiving the pick (2021) assuming the formula actually works in your favor that year.

Don't think I'd pay over a 3rd for a one year rental unless it's a guaranteed superstar which Clowney isn't.

Ya good point. Our DE situation worries me, and the whole Jarran Reed debacle doesn't help.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Clowney is a flat out Beast. If it takes a 2nd to get him and we get a 3rd back in 2021? Well worth it. Plus, we may not have Collier to start the season, who knows if Ziggy will be ready, and Reed won't be back til the 7th game. This team has a massive need right now. Not to mention, the way JS trades back, they could very well get that 2nd back by trading out of the 1st.

 

[pmedic920]

Living in the Houston area I get to see/hear a little more of the Texans than the average out of market fan.
Just like y’all get more of the Hawks than I get.

I won’t commit to a hard opinion on a trade simply because there’s way too much to speculate on at this point.

What I will state is, JC is a beast.
When he’s on the field he absolutely has to be accounted for, if he doesn’t make a direct impact on the play, he makes an indirect impact because of the attention that has to be paid too him.

Personally I’d love to have his talent on our team, obviously cost is the issue that is most important. I’d love to have him at a reasonable price, not at any price.

Before anyone speaks of NCAA “hype”, “bust”, or Andrew L. comparisons, they really should look into him a little deeper, not doing so only makes the comments appear very uninformed.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Before anyone speaks of NCAA “hype”, “bust”, or Andrew L. comparisons, they really should look into him a little deeper, not doing so only makes the comments appear very uninformed.

Very few #1 picks live up to the hype. Doesn't mean Clowney's a bust by any stretch...........once he got past his injuries two years ago he's balled out like a #1 pick.

I'd love to have him, but for no more than a #2. I'm not giving up a #1 or multiple picks for a one year rent a player, or a guy who's still not going to be happy signing his tender..............NOR a guy who's going to demand Frank Clark money after the season's over.