Reports: Ndamukong Suh wants to sign with Seahawks

[cacksman]

As much as I'd like Suh on our D-line, we can't go 8 years - that's too long. He'd be 36 at the end, too much money at the end. Also, 8/$125 + $25mil bonus ends up closer $19 mil. The max I would do is 6yr/$50 plus $25 mil bonus.

The way to beat Brady has always been pressure up the middle. That was a problem for us after Hill went down. Line up Avril, Sue, Hill and Bennett on passing downs - oh boy, someone's gonna eat! :0190l:

if the max you would go for Suh is 8.3 million a year, I don't even know why you are entertaining the idea. He's worth double.

 

[cacksman]

Offense wins games, defense wins championships.

Tell that to everyone gargling Tom Brady right now.

Er... it was a defensive play that won the championship. New England's guy made that play.
So defense does, and did, win championships. it was NE's defense winning against the Seattle offense that made the final difference.

Right, because one play in a 60 minute game makes all the difference. Why even watch the first 58 minutes?

 

[lukerguy]

To the last poster.. yeah, the final play actually does matter more than the rest combined. Look at GB, they kicked us around for 56 minutes, but we finished.

NE finished.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Suh is worth 15 plus but as others have stated there are plenty of reasons to take a discount.

1. Play for a Championship Team :thirishdrinkers:
2. Play for his Hometown Team :thirishdrinkers:
3. Play on an Historic Defense :th2thumbs:
4. Secure his legacy.

Seahawks can sign Suh to a huge deal:

8 years for 125 million. About 16 apy.

Back load his contract the final two years for 25m each.

The contract essentially becomes a 6 year for $75 deal.

Or 12.5 apy.

Giving him a strong signing bonus like $25 mil plus another $25-35 guaranteed in base and bonuses.

As much as I'd like Suh on our D-line, we can't go 8 years - that's too long. He'd be 36 at the end, too much money at the end. Also, 8/$125 + $25mil bonus ends up closer $19 mil. The max I would do is 6yr/$50 plus $25 mil bonus.

The way to beat Brady has always been pressure up the middle. That was a problem for us after Hill went down. Line up Avril, Sue, Hill and Bennett on passing downs - oh boy, someone's gonna eat! :0190l:

8 years in the NFL means as much as monopoly money. Even Suh playing out the duration of a 6 year deal would be a major leap.

If he's signed.. the deal will be dressed up as a long megadeal, but in reality be a 2-3 year deal.

 

[MysterMatt]

Remember that NFL deals are all about structure and slobs like us (well...you, really) have a hard time getting beyond just looking at the average salary/bonus per year. The media doesn't really help, to be honest, but make no mistake: We have some money and Schneider can figure out ways to make a Suh signing work.

We would definitely have to get a lot of value in the draft to ensure we have enough low-earning players out-performing their contracts to balance things out, but I'm confident that we have the FO to pull this off. The only thing that really gives me pause is the number of injuries to key players (guys like Marsh, Pierre, Hill, etc). We're counting on them to be the low cost/high value guys to fill out our depth.

 

[marko358]

Look at GB, they kicked us around for 56 minutes

GB scored a total of 6 points from the start of the 2nd quarter to the end of OT. Not sure I'd qualify that as kicking us around.

/tangent

 

[jblaze]

How did this make it 7 pages?

Signing Suh would be a tight fit for 2015 and near impossible for 2016. It would most certainly cost us Irvin in 2016 and severely strap our ability to keep decent depth. I don't think the front office wants to handicap themselves like that for one player, it goes against their philosophy.

 

[Uncle Si]

How did this make it 7 pages?

Signing Suh would be a tight fit for 2015 and near impossible for 2016. It would most certainly cost us Irvin in 2016 and severely strap our ability to keep decent depth. I don't think the front office wants to handicap themselves like that for one player, it goes against their philosophy.

Offseason...

Suh is an interesting player to contemplate for a variety of reasons as well.

(in case you were actually asking)

 

[jblaze]

How did this make it 7 pages?

Signing Suh would be a tight fit for 2015 and near impossible for 2016. It would most certainly cost us Irvin in 2016 and severely strap our ability to keep decent depth. I don't think the front office wants to handicap themselves like that for one player, it goes against their philosophy.

Offseason...

Suh is an interesting player to contemplate for a variety of reasons as well.

(in case you were actually asking)

It was somewhat rhetorical but yeah, offseason and I get that.

But this one strikes me as not just a dream, but a dream inside a dream, inside a dream. Inception style!

One other thing I will mention is that we haven't been successful drafting defensive line talent. We have to typically go out to free agency for that so I could see some role players on our horizon for sure! And probably another draft pick or two.

 

[Rat]

Absolutely not a pipe dream. Huge contracts are signed every offseason and a lot of those aren't to the teams with the most cap money. There's always a way around this stuff.

 

[jblaze]

Sorry chief, it's a pipe dream. If you listen to the pundits and people in the know, they place this at like 5% happening. If you look at the cap situation, it's even less likely.

It could happen, hell anything COULD happen, doesn't mean it should or will happen.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

So what many of us know what the chances of signing Suh is... We dont need a matter of fact opinion or percentage to tell us how slim it is.

But we arent the Seahawks and we arent Suh, we can only project ideas of how it could work.

Kill us for being fans in the off-season.

Most of if not all of us know that for Suh or any high profile free agent to become a Seahawk its going to take sacrifices on both sides. Players ate going to have to take less money to fit into the cap structure and the team would likely have to release some players.

Is it going to happen... Probably not.

Could it happen... Possibly, again none of us know for sure what the cap is going to be, how Wilsons contract is going to affect the cap or if Lynch is coming back.

So quit acting all matter of factly jblaze or at least projected it on the fans that want to imagine all possiblities of what could happen.

 

[Basis4day]

So what many of us know what the chances of signing Suh is... We dont need a matter of fact opinion or percentage to tell us how slim it is.

But we arent the Seahawks and we arent Suh, we can only project ideas of how it could work.

Kill us for being fans in the off-season.

Most of if not all of us know that for Suh or any high profile free agent to become a Seahawk its going to take sacrifices on both sides. Players ate going to have to take less money to fit into the cap structure and the team would likely have to release some players.

Is it going to happen... Probably not.

Could it happen... Possibly, again none of us know for sure what the cap is going to be, how Wilsons contract is going to affect the cap or if Lynch is coming back.

So quit acting all matter of factly jblaze or at least projected it on the fans that want to imagine all possiblities of what could happen.

Reminds me of the fans on this board who thought we could trade Matt Flynn to the Jets straight up for Revis.

 

[Alexander]

Sorry chief, it's a pipe dream. If you listen to the pundits and people in the know, they place this at like 5% happening. If you look at the cap situation, it's even less likely.

It could happen, hell anything COULD happen, doesn't mean it should or will happen.

It's funny, if I had to peg the chances, I probably would have said something close to 5%. Yet I'm taking the possibility very seriously. Considering all the little things that have to go right for Suh to end up in Seattle, a 1-in-20 chance means there's a pretty high probability that the Hawks are at least thinking about making a serious run at him. In which case I don't think it's at all absurd to discuss the possibility. At the very least it makes for an interesting debate.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Absolutely not a pipe dream. Huge contracts are signed every offseason and a lot of those aren't to the teams with the most cap money. There's always a way around this stuff.

Exactly, look at Denver last season. They weren't exactly at the top of the cap room list, yet they managed to land Talib and Ware both. There are ways to get things done. If you figure that a guy like Suh can allow you to go on a 2-3 year run of being at the top of the heap, you find a way to get it done.

The difference is the Broncos are only paying Ware and Talib about 10M per year each, and if Suh wants to break the bank he can certainly find a team like the Jags, Jets or Raiders who have a ton of cap space to pay him 15-20M per year.

Now if he's cool with a Bennett or Avril type friendly contract for less than 10M? Sure, it could most definitely work. But that's HALF, not a 10-20% hometown discount type deal. Very unlikely...........fun to dream about, but very unlikely.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

I don't see why this would go against their philosophy at all. They spent a first rounder on Harvin (an outsider) and paid him a huge contract at the expense of a homegrown receiver like Tate. We had to cut away guys like Clemons to accommodate the deal while re-signing the Sherman's and Thomas'.

They have shown they are willing to be aggressive to go after an elite talent if that player dramatically improves the roster. It doesn't mean they'll sign Suh, but if they did -- it would be exactly the type of move I'd expect this FO to make.

 

[bbsplitter]

I don't see why this would go against their philosophy at all. They spent a first rounder on Harvin (an outsider) and paid him a huge contract at the expense of a homegrown receiver like Tate. We had to cut away guys like Clemons to accommodate the deal while re-signing the Sherman's and Thomas'.

They have shown they are willing to be aggressive to go after an elite talent if that player dramatically improves the roster. It doesn't mean they'll sign Suh, but if they did -- it would be exactly the type of move I'd expect this FO to make.

I agree, I don't think this goes against their nature if anything it goes a long with what they preach. They are always trying to get better and if they have a chance to land an elite player such as Suh, that would be awesome in my book. People fretting Maxwell's departure... We took 5th and 6th rounders and made them into an elite DB group. We shouldn't take that for granted or diminish Sherman and Chancellor's talents, but this front office has clearly done well in scouting DB's that perform well and I expect a perfectly qualified Maxwell replacement to be found in the draft. It is too early to give up on Simon as well, he was put in tough place. Maxwell gave up a lot of big plays when he first became a steady player as well.

 

[Hyak]

I'm not saying it's likely or not but the Seahawks way of approaching things does differ from most teams.

The fact is, cap wise, that they absolutely could do it given the cap room they have in 2015, 2016, and beyond and do so without hampering their ability to extend Wilson, Wagner, and re-do with Lynch. It may mean no Maxwell, no Miller, no McDaniels, and maybe no Mebane but they won't lose a core player because of making such a move.

None of us saw the Harvin thing coming either. Obviously it did not work out long term but the process of their view of the world triggered that move. The other element at play here is something else that others have mentioned - this regime's track record of hitting on DL isn't very good. Nearly all of their impact players on the line came in trades, free agency, or in Mebane's case being here before PC/JS.

Realistically, I don't expect them to get Suh but I won't be completely floored if they did nor would I have a problem with it.

 

[hawkfan68]

Absolutely not a pipe dream. Huge contracts are signed every offseason and a lot of those aren't to the teams with the most cap money. There's always a way around this stuff.

Exactly, look at Denver last season. They weren't exactly at the top of the cap room list, yet they managed to land Talib and Ware both. There are ways to get things done. If you figure that a guy like Suh can allow you to go on a 2-3 year run of being at the top of the heap, you find a way to get it done.

Denver signed those guys but it didn't helped them much. They ended up firing their coaches after the season. They regressed from where they were the prior season. Suh is a great player but he's only one player. Seahawks won a SB without Suh and made it back to a SB without him too. They can do it again without him. Suh for the right price would be a nice add though, no doubt about that.

 

[marko358]

Absolutely not a pipe dream. Huge contracts are signed every offseason and a lot of those aren't to the teams with the most cap money. There's always a way around this stuff.

Exactly, look at Denver last season. They weren't exactly at the top of the cap room list, yet they managed to land Talib and Ware both. There are ways to get things done. If you figure that a guy like Suh can allow you to go on a 2-3 year run of being at the top of the heap, you find a way to get it done.

Denver signed those guys but it didn't helped them much. They ended up firing their coaches after the season. They regressed from where they were the prior season. Suh is a great player but he's only one player. Seahawks won a SB without Suh and made it back to a SB without him too. They can do it again without him. Suh for the right price would be a nice add though, no doubt about that.

An older and injured Manning is why they were worse this year. Their defense was much better compared to last year.