Reports: Ndamukong Suh wants to sign with Seahawks

[hawkfan68]

Harvin was not acquired as a free agent. He was under a contract when the Seahawks got him. The Seahawks traded for him. It's much different scenario signing someone who is FA.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Suh is a dominantly influential player.

He makes your D-Line better.
He makes your LBers better.
He makes your DBs better.

By wrecking havoc at an elite level inside the pocket.

He also would improve your interior O-Line in practice.

So if your D is already the best in the NFL, a Suh added could make it the absolute historic.

#1 in Yards, Passing , Rushing , Points Allowed , Takeaways, and possibly Sacks.

Could you imagine that?

And really all you have to do is get Suh to 2017 before his big cap hits start to kick because right Seahawks have an estimated 100 m in cap in 2017 according to overthecap.com.

So lets amuse the rumor and say Suh absolutely wants to come here, its been his life long dream.

He wants to play in the PNW.
He wants to play for the Seahawks.
He wants to be part of this Defense.
He wants to play for a Championship.

But bringing someone like Suh on... obviously both teams will have to make sacrifices on both sides.

For Suh, Seahawks can make him the highest paid DT in essence but he'll have to fit into structure of the cap and know he might not see all the backend money in his mid 30s.

For the Seahawks they are going to have to move away from name players.

In this example I'll just show you a model that can get Suh with only 3 cuts.

Unger, Miller, and McDaniels.

You can cut those 3 players for $9.8 m in relief. With a dead cap of 2.7m.

Lets say the target cap hit for Suh in 2015 is 10 million.

5m gtd base + 5 mil signing bonus = 10m cap hit

He pulls in 30 million in 2015 w/ salary + 25 m SB

Mebane and Okung are free agents going into 2016. They add 13 m to the cap. Seahawks could re-sign Okung but they could definately shy away from him with his injury history. I see this upcoming draft O-Line heavy. Either way it should be enough to re-sign Bruce Irvin if thats what they want.

For 2016, Suh gets a boost but its essentially the players' dead cap that were cut for him.

7m base gtd + 5 m = 12 m cap hit

For 2017, Seahawks will have a little more cap to work with.

5m Roster bonus + 8 m base gtd + 5 m sb = 18 m cap hit.

For Suh's first 3 years he will pull in 50 mil, all guaranteed. A little over 16 apy.

By this time over his career Suh would have made over between 110-120 million. Football money plus endorsements plus minus fines.

Also, one could assume playing in the PNW would give him even more opportunities for endorsements. Suh isnt and wouldnt be hurting for money.

I based this off a model of a 5 yr, 70 m contract worth 14m apy but was masked as a 7 yr, 112 m deal worth 16 apy to make Suh the highest paid DT but with years 6 and 7 being throwaway years of 42 m combined.

So obviously the Seahawks would have to make sacrifices but it wouldn't be truly dire if they lost Unger, Miller, and McDaniel.

Suh would again just have to fit into the structure of the cap in his first two years and I just showed how it can be done without compromising much of the future because contracts will come off the books in 2016, and 2017, and 2018, and 2019.

Hell if Lynch retired he'd free up 7 million in 2015. They're just a lot of variables that can make signing Suh work while still allow the Seahawks to secure future players.

And Suh's presence improves everbody... Defense and Offense (who has to practice against him on that Defense).

 

[Basis4day]

Suh is a dominantly influential player.

He makes your D-Line better.
He makes your LBers better.
He makes your DBs better.

By wrecking havoc at an elite level inside the pocket.

He also would improve your interior O-Line in practice.

So if your D is already the best in the NFL, a Suh added could make it the absolute historic.

#1 in Yards, Passing , Rushing , Points Allowed , Takeaways, and possibly Sacks.

Could you imagine that?

And really all you have to do is get Suh to 2017 before his big cap hits start to kick because right Seahawks have an estimated 100 m in cap in 2017 according to overthecap.com.

So lets amuse the rumor and say Suh absolutely wants to come here, its been his life long dream.

He wants to play in the PNW.
He wants to play for the Seahawks.
He wants to be part of this Defense.
He wants to play for a Championship.

But bringing someone like Suh on... obviously both teams will have to make sacrifices on both sides.

For Suh, Seahawks can make him the highest paid DT in essence but he'll have to fit into structure of the cap and know he might not see all the backend money in his mid 30s.

For the Seahawks they are going to have to move away from name players.

In this example I'll just show you a model that can get Suh with only 3 cuts.

Unger, Miller, and McDaniels.

You can cut those 3 players for $9.8 m in relief. With a dead cap of 2.7m.

Lets say the target cap hit for Suh in 2015 is 10 million.

5m gtd base + 5 mil signing bonus = 10m cap hit

He pulls in 30 million in 2015 w/ salary + 25 m SB

Mebane and Okung are free agents going into 2016. They add 13 m to the cap. Seahawks could re-sign Okung but they could definately shy away from him with his injury history. I see this upcoming draft O-Line heavy. Either way it should be enough to re-sign Bruce Irvin if thats what they want.

For 2016, Suh gets a boost but its essentially the players' dead cap that were cut for him.

7m base gtd + 5 m = 12 m cap hit

For 2017, Seahawks will have a little more cap to work with.

5m Roster bonus + 8 m base gtd + 5 m sb = 18 m cap hit.

For Suh's first 3 years he will pull in 50 mil, all guaranteed. A little over 16 apy.

By this time over his career Suh would have made over between 110-120 million. Football money plus endorsements plus minus fines.

Also, one could assume playing in the PNW would give him even more opportunities for endorsements. Suh isnt and wouldnt be hurting for money.

I based this off a model of a 5 yr, 70 m contract worth 14m apy but was masked as a 7 yr, 112 m deal worth 16 apy to make Suh the highest paid DT but with years 6 and 7 being throwaway years of 42 m combined.

So obviously the Seahawks would have to make sacrifices but it wouldn't be truly dire if they lost Unger, Miller, and McDaniel.

Suh would again just have to fit into the structure of the cap in his first two years and I just showed how it can be done without compromising much of the future because contracts will come off the books in 2016, and 2017, and 2018, and 2019.

Hell if Lynch retired he'd free up 7 million in 2015. They're just a lot of variables that can make signing Suh work while still allow the Seahawks to secure future players.

And Suh's presence improves everbody... Defense and Offense (who has to practice against him on that Defense).

And how does WIlson's contract factor into your projections?

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

And how does WIlson's contract factor into your projections?

Well we know Suh right now is a truly elite player.

We also know Wilson has certain limitations in his game. So I honestly dont know what to expect from Wilson contract until he signs it.

But from a projection stand point I expect about the same model that I gave to Suh.

Overthecap gives Seahawks 24 million to work with in 2015.

They expect the cap to be 160 in 2017 and 170 in 2018.

By cutting the players I did, it cleared money for Suh that took minimal from the already available cap pool in 2015.

But again I expect Wilson's contract to be similar... Cap friendly in the first few years until players start coming off the books and the cap likely increases.

We'll see though. If with Wilson making top QB money...you can still fit both without jeopardizing your future as long as you can structure and survive it until 2017.

 

[Rat]

An 80/60 split is not ideal, but how often is a guy like Suh available? I'd throw out all the models for him.

 

[Hyak]

As far back as 2013, the Hawks spent 69 M on offense and 52 M on defense. In 2014, it was 49 M on offense and 59 M on defense as they started extending core defensive players. As of right now, 2015 is 42 M on offense and 69 M on defense but that is going to change as Lynch will likely get more money and Wilson will certainly have his cap number increased.

I look at it from a matter of ROI on your big contract players, regardless of the side of the ball. What derails any team that has star players on second contracts is when the player doesn't produce to the level of the compensation, whether it's diminished skill or injury.

Like others point out, structure of deals is important and you will see lower cap numbers for any new signee or extension player. The bigger money will hit in year 2 of a new deal. If you look at the core of the team contract wise, they really are in pretty good shape for the next 3 or 4 years provided they get long-term deals done with Wilson and Wagner this summer.

 

[Basis4day]

And how does WIlson's contract factor into your projections?

Well we know Suh right now is a truly elite player.

We also know Wilson has certain limitations in his game. So I honestly dont know what to expect from Wilson contract until he signs it.

But from a projection stand point I expect about the same model that I gave to Suh.

Overthecap gives Seahawks 24 million to work with in 2015.

They expect the cap to be 160 in 2017 and 170 in 2018.

By cutting the players I did, it cleared money for Suh that took minimal from the already available cap pool in 2015.

But again I expect Wilson's contract to be similar... Cap friendly in the first few years until players start coming off the books and the cap likely increases.

We'll see though. If with Wilson making top QB money...you can still fit both without jeopardizing your future as long as you can structure and survive it until 2017.

Thanks.

 

[Erebus]

He also would improve your interior O-Line in practice.

I'm definitely on the Sign Suh bandwagon, but I wouldn't bring this up as a reason. Our WRs didn't get better practicing against the LOB.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Given that most were UDFAs I dont know if you can say that for sure.

It might take actual high level talent for guys to take it to the next level.

Richardson looked like he was going to be special and was a much much blocker than anticipated.

All our WRs have excelled at blocking in that regard.

Baldwin has been one of the most effecient WRs the last two years. His first two years he was kind of average in terms of productivity per target.

Tate was mediocre his first two years, like Richardson he wad a 2nd rounder, but came on big around the same time the LOB was at full force.

Kearse was just another guy but showed an ability to make big plays at big times.

So I just think you cant say they didnt improve in practice because who knows how much worst the've would have or could have been if they werent practicing against an elite secondary.

Just regards to my comment Im not saying Suh is going to turn our Oline in to ProBowlers.

Im just saying practicing against an elite DT everyday could improve thier bottom line and be more adept against dominate tackles.

 

[hawkfan68]

Suh is a luxury more than a need. While adding Suh would be awesome, if they can't sign him the other options such as Raji and Melton are pretty good too. Either one of Raji or Melton could help upgrade the DL.

 

[Year of The Hawk]

When we made the trade for Harvin it was kinda out of the blue (for the most part). Everyone was sooo excited that he would make our offense elite (I know I did). But then reality set in. Even if we did get him would he take our defense to another level? I would hope and love to think that but I was burned before. The only thing we really have to go on is that Suh said he would like to play for us. Nothing more. At this point why bother speculating. We don't even know if they are talking. I know it is the off season and we are all starved for football but until there is more confirmed info on anything happening it is nothing.

 

[Rat]

At this point why bother speculating.

Because it's fun. If you only want confirmed news, you should probably stick to .com.

 

[Year of The Hawk]

This is more gossip than rumor. Have at it ladies.

 

[Hawks46]

One of Pete's stated goals back when he took the job was to turn Seattle into a free agent destination. A place players would want to go, not have to break the bank to go.

Mission accomplished.

Well said. Sure, Suh has said he wants to be the highest paid defensive player, but that was before that play off loss. Looking at that guy after the loss....well no one that watches Suh play really expected that sort of reaction. Things change.

Pete and John would totally do this deal. Not at 15-20m per year, but like Scotte just said, players have come here and set a precedent: they have taken "prove it" deals, then taken team friendly deals and left a little bit on the table to stay here. The atmosphere, facilities and coaching staff have proven to be the tops in the NFL. Players love it here, and they still get paid.

In terms of talent, this would be huge. There would be no doubt that we would be a historically great defense. Suh would make us the best ever. He is literally unblockable one on one, and if we could keep Mebane...good grief, who do you double team in the run game ? Then throw in Bennett. I honestly don't know how teams would score more than 10 ppg on us and that's just lobbing it at Simon or whoever else lines up there.

I'm not counting on this just yet, but it looks like it could work for both sides.

 

[HansGruber]

This is more gossip than rumor. Have at it ladies.

I wonder if you realize how pathetic it sounds when you insult other people's masculinity.

Does it make you feel macho? Let me guess, you also drive a bro-dozer and brag to your friends about all the fights you win and the women you bed. Hint: no matter how hard you try, nothing makes a man look less masculine than working too hard to prove it to others.

 

[JustTheTip]

Suh is a dominantly influential player.

He makes your D-Line better.
He makes your LBers better.
He makes your DBs better.

By wrecking havoc at an elite level inside the pocket.

He also would improve your interior O-Line in practice.

So if your D is already the best in the NFL, a Suh added could make it the absolute historic.

#1 in Yards, Passing , Rushing , Points Allowed , Takeaways, and possibly Sacks.

Could you imagine that?

And really all you have to do is get Suh to 2017 before his big cap hits start to kick because right Seahawks have an estimated 100 m in cap in 2017 according to overthecap.com.

So lets amuse the rumor and say Suh absolutely wants to come here, its been his life long dream.

He wants to play in the PNW.
He wants to play for the Seahawks.
He wants to be part of this Defense.
He wants to play for a Championship.

But bringing someone like Suh on... obviously both teams will have to make sacrifices on both sides.

For Suh, Seahawks can make him the highest paid DT in essence but he'll have to fit into structure of the cap and know he might not see all the backend money in his mid 30s.

For the Seahawks they are going to have to move away from name players.

In this example I'll just show you a model that can get Suh with only 3 cuts.

Unger, Miller, and McDaniels.

You can cut those 3 players for $9.8 m in relief. With a dead cap of 2.7m.

Lets say the target cap hit for Suh in 2015 is 10 million.

5m gtd base + 5 mil signing bonus = 10m cap hit

He pulls in 30 million in 2015 w/ salary + 25 m SB

Mebane and Okung are free agents going into 2016. They add 13 m to the cap. Seahawks could re-sign Okung but they could definately shy away from him with his injury history. I see this upcoming draft O-Line heavy. Either way it should be enough to re-sign Bruce Irvin if thats what they want.

For 2016, Suh gets a boost but its essentially the players' dead cap that were cut for him.

7m base gtd + 5 m = 12 m cap hit

For 2017, Seahawks will have a little more cap to work with.

5m Roster bonus + 8 m base gtd + 5 m sb = 18 m cap hit.

For Suh's first 3 years he will pull in 50 mil, all guaranteed. A little over 16 apy.

By this time over his career Suh would have made over between 110-120 million. Football money plus endorsements plus minus fines.

Also, one could assume playing in the PNW would give him even more opportunities for endorsements. Suh isnt and wouldnt be hurting for money.

I based this off a model of a 5 yr, 70 m contract worth 14m apy but was masked as a 7 yr, 112 m deal worth 16 apy to make Suh the highest paid DT but with years 6 and 7 being throwaway years of 42 m combined.

So obviously the Seahawks would have to make sacrifices but it wouldn't be truly dire if they lost Unger, Miller, and McDaniel.

Suh would again just have to fit into the structure of the cap in his first two years and I just showed how it can be done without compromising much of the future because contracts will come off the books in 2016, and 2017, and 2018, and 2019.

Hell if Lynch retired he'd free up 7 million in 2015. They're just a lot of variables that can make signing Suh work while still allow the Seahawks to secure future players.

And Suh's presence improves everbody... Defense and Offense (who has to practice against him on that Defense).

And how does WIlson's contract factor into your projections?

Talking heads: Wilson is a game manager who is helped greatly by his defense.

Same talking heads: Wilson has earned the NFL's biggest ever contract.

 

[Year of The Hawk]

This is more gossip than rumor. Have at it ladies.

I wonder if you realize how pathetic it sounds when you insult other people's masculinity.

Does it make you feel macho? Let me guess, you also drive a bro-dozer and brag to your friends about all the fights you win and the women you bed. Hint: no matter how hard you try, nothing makes a man look less masculine than working too hard to prove it to others.

WOW. I guess your panties are twisted. Mine was a simple one off comment. Your diatribe sounds to me like you are the one overcompensating for something...

 

[scutterhawk]

This is more gossip than rumor. Have at it ladies.

We will, Thank You..... Now, you may just as well go back over and lay on the porch while the big dogs are running the neighborhood.

 

[TAB420]

This is more gossip than rumor. Have at it ladies.

We will, Thank You..... Now, you may just as well go back over and lay on the porch while the big dogs are running the neighborhood.

LOL. By porch, do you mean the weaning box?

 

[nwHawk]

As much as I'd like Suh on our D-line, we can't go 8 years - that's too long. He'd be 36 at the end, too much money at the end. Also, 8/$125 + $25mil bonus ends up closer $19 mil. The max I would do is 6yr/$50 plus $25 mil bonus.

The way to beat Brady has always been pressure up the middle. That was a problem for us after Hill went down. Line up Avril, Sue, Hill and Bennett on passing downs - oh boy, someone's gonna eat! :0190l:

if the max you would go for Suh is 8.3 million a year, I don't even know why you are entertaining the idea. He's worth double.

BTW - $25 + 50 = $75 ÷ 6 = $12.5 /yr.