Reporters making fun of Hawks first selection

[pittpnthrs]

Russ will have one of his top 3 seasons (statistically).

I dont know about top 3 but it'll be a good one. Certainly better than Drew Lock or Geno Smith.

 

[IndyHawk]

Was I to generous with Seattles totals?

I think you will be wrong on both teams

 

[Chuckwow]

I'm going to say this again..There is no OL that looks
good with TeamRuss! behind the center period.
I really believe this why PC/JS didn't waste too much
into OL besides the Brown trade to make TeamRuss!
happy because they knew by his play (Sandlot) that it
would be a waste and I totally agree..
I hope Denver enjoys the holding ball too long and bailing
out of pocket early because I sure won't miss it at all.

If ever there was a thankless job in the NFL, it's that of the Seahawk lineman.
Edited to add that I totally agree with your point on Pete, the OL and Russ. And maybe Pete never did have any intentions of pouring money into the line until he was satisfied he had a generational defense at his disposal. Perhaps it goes back even a bit further and Wilson's Merlon the magician antics is the primary reason Pete and John drafted him. While Russ was scrambling and buying himself time, he was also buying some time for those guys to put some more pieces together. And hey, it worked.

Then, of course, Russ needed an unlimited supply of money. The guys, of course, had to pay him. Then....and this one of my very biggest pet peeves, Russ was making so much money that the FO decided we couldn't be quite so reckless with him.

Our record didn't always show it, but it's pretty been all downhill since.

 

[Lagartixa]

I'm kinda looking forward to talking-head mediots trying during the season to figure out why the Donkeys' OL suddenly got so bad.

Similarly, I wonder if they'll try to give credit to Andy Dickerson for the "surprising improvement" in the Seahawks' offensive line.

 

[Cyrus12]

I'm sure Denver is going to enjoy the 10 to 11 wins Wilson provides for them. Hope everybody enjoys the 4 to 6 wins Seattle will have this season.

With the league pushing the Rams to legacy status and Mcvay on course to be Gruden 2.0..perfect timing for a rebuild and a trade of a declining qb who will want 50 mill a year. The right move imo. Unless you were happy with just inflated expectations every year since the super bowl appearances?

 

[scutterhawk]

Making fun? Wasn't the first time and won't be the last.

It's called 'LEVITY'... Relax & take a deep breath.

 

[had2bhawk]

The point of my original post was that some reporters are saying not that Russ is gone we will concentrate on the line. That’s just not true as they have been addressing it for some time.

Solari was terrible. Moving lineman constantly and Pete let it happen.
Dickerson will stabilize the group. There needs to be the corner stone LT, someone who can move his feet. I like Evan Neal, even if we have to trade up. Hawks do this it will change the 3 and out problem. Let Lewis be the Quality guard he is. Lock will hit the short chunks over the middle. Let it be!

 

[nwHawk]

I'm kinda looking forward to talking-head mediots trying during the season to figure out why the Donkeys' OL suddenly got so bad.

Similarly, I wonder if they'll try to give credit to Andy Dickerson for the "surprising improvement" in the Seahawks' offensive line.

My thought exactly. Should be interesting.

 

[nwHawk]

And move Lewis back to Right Guard, his feet and not quick enough to consistently play LG. He is perfect for RG. Make it happen, even if it means moving on from Gabe Jackson.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

The point of my original post was that some reporters are saying not that Russ is gone we will concentrate on the line. That’s just not true as they have been addressing it for some time.

That's not what the quote you were reacting to said. It was simply talking about using a 1st round pick on a highly rated OT. One pick is all they were talking about, not "concentrating on the OL". It's the classic desire to be offended followed by a gross mischaracterization of a quote/comment/article in order to achieve outrage. Don't try to ret-con your original post.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

RB health has also been a sneaky factor here. We all know about our troubles, but the few times we have had a healthy Penny or Carson available we have been able to run the ball very effectively. That factor has had a cascading effect on the rest of the team. Our pass protection has looked a lot better when the opposing team has to respect the run and doesn't see it coming because it's 3rd and 13 again.


Pocic allowed two sacks last year in 17 games. Moreover, while Penny was healthy Pocic was twice the highest graded run blocker on the team via PFF. He also had some very poorly graded games when we had no RBs. The view of OL performance is skewed heavily by RB play, QB play, and offensive play calling even when people are supposed to be considering it in a vacuum.

Even if you assume that Humphrey would have been better, ask yourself how significant that would have been for the offense. Was blocking at the center position really a key reason for our record last season? Furthermore, why was Humphrey selected at #63 if he was that great of a prospect and the center position was that important Linderbaum is a much better prospect this year and I still see him falling into the second round in most mock drafts.

The answer can be found if you watch any of our RB highlights from last season and pay attention to Pocic. You'll see he was almost never engaged solo blocking a DT, and nearly always part of either a double team or moving to the second level to take on a LB.

You cant really compare what Creed would have meant to us for only one season. It's a long term commitment. Pocic was decent but everyone knew he wasn't the long term answer to the position. And you cant say that because he lasted to 63 means anything, really. Teams draft for need as well as playing the game with other teams on whether to wait or reach. But going into that pick, we needed a center about 10x more than we needed a 3rd receiver.

As to the RB/OL connection, what it looked like to me was that at the end of the year when Penny was going off it was entirely because the line was finally clicking and he was getting massive holes. At times it looked like the old Walt/Hutch/Alexander days when the RB wasn't even touched until the 2nd level and Penny, like SA, had a really good glide to sort of weave through there. I don't know how you look at any position group in football in a vacuum but I saw the line as more of a factor in Penny's surge than in Penny himself. I am glad they went with a 1 year prove it deal and see if he can build on that.

 

[seabowl]

That's not what the quote you were reacting to said. It was simply talking about using a 1st round pick on a highly rated OT. One pick is all they were talking about, not "concentrating on the OL". It's the classic desire to be offended followed by a gross mischaracterization of a quote/comment/article in order to achieve outrage. Don't try to ret-con your original post.

Yes it was about the 1 pick. With this said they had used their first round pick on Briwn who again was one of the best LT’s in the league since the trade. They also used a first on Ifedi. The point is these reporters are insinuating that the Hawks have not used high picks to address the line when in fact they have. Also doesn’t help that they had been selecting in the bottom half of the first for a decade before this year. Don’t try and ret-con your last post.

 

[scutterhawk]

Our OL in 2021 provided 2.4 seconds of pocket time, that is more than Brady, Rodgers and Big Ben enjoyed, same as what Mahomes got. Our OL did the job, although the QB pressure stat hinted otherwise. Care to guess why our franchise QB received more pressure when he was getting above average time when compare to other franchise QB of same caliber?

This is exactly right ^...Wilson has had problems getting the ball out in a timely manner, and wound up bringing more pressures, hits & sacks upon himself because of it.
In spite of being one of the best Quarterbacks in the entire League, his style of play, mindset & lack of the Houdini moves are going to continue haunting him too.
Maybe the Horsie's can come up with a way around the glitches that the Seahawks couldn't.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Unless you were happy with just inflated expectations every year since the super bowl appearances?

No I wasnt. Thats why Jody should have gotten rid of the geriatric fossil that gets outcoached on a regular basis instead of the player that still won despite of the head coaches deficiencies.

The people that blame Wilson for most of the teams issues are in for a rude awakening.

 

[toffee]

This is exactly right ^...Wilson has had problems getting the ball out in a timely manner, and wound up bringing more pressures, hits & sacks upon himself because of it.
In spite of being one of the best Quarterbacks in the entire League, his style of play, mindset & lack of the Houdini moves are going to continue haunting him too.
Maybe the Horsie's can come up with a way around the glitches that the Seahawks couldn't.

Most first tier franchise QBs did not enjoy more pocket time than ours, and none suffered as much sacks and pressure close to ours. Either our WRs, TEs, or play designs sux, which is possible but last time I checked DK and Lockett ain't sux.

 

[TwistedHusky]

It is almost as if people didn't watch the games.

Here is what many of us saw.

We didn't have a good OL. We struggled to make effective OL picks.

There is a lot of blame on Wilson for holding the ball too long. We will see if that was the root cause. Not sure it was.

But we really need the OL to protect our QB who is now average, if that, instead of top tier. Having a better OL and better scheme will help.

A below-average OL combined with a below-average QB isn't usually a winning combination. So yes, we might have to fix that, it seems that earlier may have gone cheaper on the OL because our QB could make it work ....but if that was more a product of how Wilson played it will be evident quickly.

We really won't know until the games start, but based on what we have seen for years - it would be odd to expect us to suddenly become effective at OL picks or suddenly have a decent OL.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

Yes it was about the 1 pick. With this said they had used their first round pick on Briwn who again was one of the best LT’s in the league since the trade. They also used a first on Ifedi. The point is these reporters are insinuating that the Hawks have not used high picks to address the line when in fact they have. Also doesn’t help that they had been selecting in the bottom half of the first for a decade before this year. Don’t try and ret-con your last post.

I think you need to look up ret-con. You made the claim that reporters, plural, are saying that they're saying Seattle is going to "concentrate" (your word) on the line. It's not supported. Nobody "concentrates" on something by making one selection, which is what your complaint was about. One pick. You just took the story, embellished it and ran with it to support your false notion of journalistic oppression.