Relative History Of SEA and SFO Since Realignment

[Pandion Haliaetus]

This is going to set Niner fans on fire. They have real issues with any referenced period that isolates their term of overall losing. The 2000's didn't even happen. I have read many comments stating that "Seahawks fans think the league started in 2002", but they don't, it is just when they started playing the Niners with any regularity. It really doesn't mean anything in the big picture though.

The back and forth between Niner and Seahawk fans is pure entertainment. What era or history matters most? The next one.


I have realized this much though. When the Hawks beat the Niners, they beat tham badly in most cases. Not so much the other way around.

:kool-aid: Heh, if you agree with the analysis then I have a bridge I own that You'd love to buy.

Translation please? I don't speak Giedish. Only dreamers and Niner fans with their head in the sand can understand it.
Meh. The analysis is shoddy. Again, Seattle is an excellent team. I'm *not* saying Seattle is shoddy.

The point I'm trying to make is if you do a proper analysis, you look at player match ups, scheme match ups, coaching matchups, and so on. Yes, in a proper analysis you do look at stats, with wins and losses being important stats. I agree. The analysis leans too much on the statistical and not enough on the player matchups.

Carry on. :th2thumbs:

Are you FREAKIN serious?

I never thought even in this analysis which is basically about just W-L data, information, and HISTORICAL facts would someone say "not enough on the player matchups".

I'm getting tired of that phrase, who cares what the player matchups were then, even If I had the all the time in the world, would it really make a difference to the end result.

NO. If you want to argue player match-ups go ahead be my guest. But don’t act like it will actually mean anything to the result of my post, as you 49ers fans seem to ignore: Relative History of both teams since Re-Alignment.

From 2003-2010, Niners were a bad team.

Even when the Seahawks were a bad team 2008-2011, you had one competitive season going 13-3 in one of the easiest seasons to do so because of the lockout and simply because teams just weren't good or as competitive in 2010 and 2011 compared to the past seasons. I know because of statistics.

Also just so you know San Fran, the current Seahawks D as never been as dominant at any point since 2002. The current Seahawks O hasn't been this stacked nor as efficient since 2005.

You want more statistics, I'll give you some that might actually matter going forward to 2013:

In 2012.

Seahawks averaged 25.6 years in AGE
49ers averaged 26.7 years in AGE

Seahawks averaged 2.6 years in NFL EXPERIENCE
49ers averaged 3.9 years in NFL EXPERIENCE

Seahawks Rookies (Wilson, Wagner, Sweezy, Lane, Kearse) made 38 starts. With Wilson and Wagner making up 31 of those starts in probably the 2 most important leadership positions on either side of the ball. QB and MLB. 2 others (Irvin, Scruggs) made moderate to significant impact in 26 regular season games with 0 starts. However, Irvin and Scruggs both made their 1st starts vs the Falcons.

49er Rookies made 0 starts in 0 games. Only 2nd round draft pick LeMichael James made any type of impact (after Hunter got injured) other than that he was a special teamer whose impact yielded 14 returns.
Seahawks W-L: 12-6
49ERS W-L: 13-5-1

Do the 49ers fans want to argue that they are better because they were about 2 games better than the younger, less experienced Seahawks team that was giving serious snaps to plenty of rookies? Go ahead.

I’ll just statistically take it 1 more better for the Seahawks corner to show the competitiveness of each team:

2012 Loss Differential

Seahawks loss 6 games by an accumulative of 26 points. Biggest loss was to the 49ers by 7 points.

49ers loss 5 games by an accumulative of 69 points. Biggest loss was to the Seahawks by 29 points.

Analysis: Seahawks loss differential in 6 games was still 3 points less than SFO’s biggest loss and only 3 points more than SFO’s 2nd biggest loss (by 23 points to NYG)

Now whine about how Player Matchups: How Justin Smith was the reason why you guys lost to Russell Wilson, and that a young Seahawks defense didn’t punk your ever-so-incredible QB.

 

[KK84]

Your silly facts and numbers ain't got nuttin on 5 rings 100 years ago.

 

[RichNhansom]

Fun read Pandion.

It's only a shame we didn't do anything in the off season to help our team improve.

These comparisons are always fun. I like to look at them as trending and all signs are the Seahawks are trending up while the Niners are trending down.

Does anyone believe the Niners could have beat the Falcons if they were to have had a 10am start? They couldn't beat the Vikings or Rams at 10am. In fact the only team they were able to beat at 10am was the Jets. Let's not even discuss back to back road trips.

 

[Marvin49]

Get out Marvin, you are not allowed an opinion here. Kneel before Zod (Wilson)

LOL.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Get out Marvin, you are not allowed an opinion here. Kneel before Zod (Wilson)

LOL.

I said KNEEL

I just realized something from reading another thread on the Niner board, we need the Niners..... And their fans. Just imagine the division without them and someone else in their place. Like Redskin fans or ..... hmmmm, OK... That is about it. Nevermind.

 

[NinerBuff]

As several posters have said, the past (other than last years' game in SEA) are pretty meaningless.

Now that both teams have established coaches and QBs, pertinent history between the two teams begins now...

SEA 1
SF 0

Week 2 can't come any sooner.

 

[Marvin49]

Get out Marvin, you are not allowed an opinion here. Kneel before Zod (Wilson)

LOL.

I said KNEEL

I just realized something from reading another thread on the Niner board, we need the Niners..... And their fans. Just imagine the division without them and someone else in their place. Like Redskin fans or ..... hmmmm, OK... That is about it. Nevermind.

Sooooo....if Wilson is Zod, does that make Kaepernick Kal-El?

 

[RichNhansom]

Ninerbuff your 0-1 is nice but realisticly 1-1 sounds more apt due to us not being able to win in SanFran last year as a complete ream and 3-1 is still valid when talking Carrol and Harbaugh but the 3-1 should be slightly tempered as Tarvaris Jackson was not someone any team should gain a ton of confidence beating and he obviously was a stopgap. In other words I wouldn't get all excited if Seattle won in Ninerland against McCoy.

 

[NinerBuff]

Ninerbuff your 0-1 is nice but realisticly 1-1 sounds more apt due to us not being able to win in SanFran last year as a complete ream and 3-1 is still valid when talking Carrol and Harbaugh but the 3-1 should be slightly tempered as Tarvaris Jackson was not someone any team should gain a ton of confidence beating and he obviously was a stopgap. In other words I wouldn't get all excited if Seattle won in Ninerland against McCoy.

Essentially, there's only been 1 game where all the chips were down. You could get a Niner fan or 2 that says missing Justin Smith was pivotal, but overall, this league is determined from QB play and Coaching.

 

[NJSeahawk]

yeah, but that 42-13 was a trouncing.

And who could forget this?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... 6-yard-run

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Thought this could use a bump heading into Week 2.

 

[Sports Hernia]

So i wanna know...why is it that Seattle fans are SOOOOO hung up on the Red and Gold?

:roll:
This is REAL RICH coming from a niners fan on a SEATTLE SEAHAWKS message board! Oh the irony, and oh the hypocrisy!

 

[SeatownJay]

My takeaway from all this? Never forget how EPIC those Senaca Wallace-J.T. Sullivan battles were.

 

[Dick Johnson]

I've always considered The Sharpie, as one of the greatest moments in sports history.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

the division belongs to the Seahawks. Because it does.

End of story.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

As far as I know, divisions aren't *owned* by any team. They are won. All fan bases do have their arrogant moments, and usually when they've won either the division crown or the superbowl. I remember the Rams fans going onto other team boards and basically annoying the hell out of the other fans because of their snotty superiority about their Greatest Crap on Turf offense.

For the moment, and it's only a moment, the 49ers *are* division winners. I sympathise with the Seattle Fans regarding that. I'm sure you folks would like the division crown to be in your side of the ledger sheet. So would the Cardinal and the Rams fans.

I think all the Seattle bluster about *owning* the division - is just that - bluster. Nothing against that at all, it's appropriate here in your boards. Have at it. I'll just say that to win the division crown isn't easy, not against one of the toughest divsions in all of the NFL. If seattle wins it this year, they will have earned it, and should be favorits to win the superbowl.

One thing always stood out to me during SF's dominance in the 80's. How weak their division was. They could count on winning all 6 games in the division, get HFA and go from there. Not knocking the team, they were a great team, but when Seattle curbstomped this division in 2005, all we heard about was how soft our division was.

Didn't ever hear that when the division was just as soft during the Niner dynasty.

Anyways, as Lofa said, it's not the same division since realignment. It's called the same thing, but it's no more the old NFCW than it's the old AFCW. It's a new division now and since it was formed, it's pretty much been ours. Niners have taken it while we were rebuilding. So we took a couple years to rebuild. Now we're back and far as Seahawk fans are concerned, it's been our division pretty much since it was formed and it's going to be our division again.

What the Niners did in that other NFCW back in the old days doesn't really matter to us.

 

[jlwaters1]

I read the whole thing!

You'd assume that Seattle had been better from 2002 on given the division titles, but some of the stuff you uncovered in the details is interesting. I hadn't realized that Seattle had blown out the 49ers so many times.

It's too bad they couldn't have kept Mike Singletary forever.

I don't know, Mike Singletary was the ONLY coach to deliver a BEATDOWN to Seattle, according to this analysis.

Just sayin'

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

This is going to set Niner fans on fire. They have real issues with any referenced period that isolates their term of overall losing. The 2000's didn't even happen. I have read many comments stating that "Seahawks fans think the league started in 2002", but they don't, it is just when they started playing the Niners with any regularity. It really doesn't mean anything in the big picture though.

The back and forth between Niner and Seahawk fans is pure entertainment. What era or history matters most? The next one.


I have realized this much though. When the Hawks beat the Niners, they beat tham badly in most cases. Not so much the other way around.

2000s for the 49ers were pretty much awful, after Mooch left. Why wouldn't we admit that?

The problem I have with this, however, isn't the arbitrary time choice; it's that it covers several different eras for each team, with far too many changing variables to say anything meaningful. This has the Mike Holmgren era, the Nolan era, the Singletary era and the Carrol/Harbaugh era. It really doesn't say much except for one thing, as far as I can tell: Seattle's home field advantage is legitimate and has been for years, and this has been constant regardless of era. Other than that, I really don't think it says much relevant for today or speak of any other real trends.

It is interesting, none the less, if you are in to trivia.

 

[loafoftatupu]

I have no issues of Niner history. Prior to realignment the only time I had a negative thought about them was the rare matchup against them.

I wanted them to win every Super Bowl they played in, loved seeing them pound on the Cowboys and my own personal opinion is that in the late 80s they were the greatest assembly of a team I have ever seen. I watched them out of respect for their talents at every possible level. Coaching, Offense and Defense.

It took communication with their fans to really build a dislike for them.

So when the Hawks slammed them 6 straight? They took quite the negative notice. They weren't the kind of fans to yield an ounce of respect, but expected Red-Carpet welcomes for stuff that happened when Miami Vice was running new episodes.

 

[jlwaters1]

Sooooo....if Wilson is Zod, does that make Kaepernick Kal-El?

touche. I was a niner fan growing up in the 80's and 90's. Loved me some Montana, Rice, Young, ect.
I think the sore spot with 49er fans is more to do with the Division realignment coinciding with their down years. So it would appear that Seahawk fans are cherry picking, when in reality this makes the most sense, because before that time Seattle rarely dealt with SF. 49er fans should be happy they are obsessed over on this board, it should be a clue that SEattle DEFINIATELY sees the 49ers as a major threat. Both teams should not feel comfortable about this weekend's game. I know this, 1 fanbase will be shaken come Monday morning. Will Kaepernick redeem himself or will Wilson continue to build on his home perfection streak? There's alot on the line, I'm nervous as heck about SUnday. May have to have the wife and kids leave the house, I'm sure there will be a number of LOUD outbursts come gametime.