Ray McDonald arrested for domestic violence...

[-The Glove-]

I look at this a lot like the Lynch accusation earlier in pre season by a women for assault. They said a lot of the same things along the lines of let the truth come out and the Seahawks backed him 100 percent. I don't think a team sticks their neck out much unless they know something. Due Process is a far step from we won't tolerate and he won't be here talk. It also isn't showing your behind him.

The one where Lynch was nowhere near the lady at the time and they didn't even think enough of the accusation to bring him in? Also the Seahawks called the claim "bogus" which is a far cry from "we'll let due process play out"

 

[chris98251]

I look at this a lot like the Lynch accusation earlier in pre season by a women for assault. They said a lot of the same things along the lines of let the truth come out and the Seahawks backed him 100 percent. I don't think a team sticks their neck out much unless they know something. Due Process is a far step from we won't tolerate and he won't be here talk. It also isn't showing your behind him.

The one where Lynch was nowhere near the lady at the time and they didn't even think enough of the accusation to bring him in? Also the Seahawks called the claim "bogus" which is a far cry from "we'll let due process play out"

I am saying that initial reports can be bogus, Seahawks had Lynchs back 100 percent once they inquired, seems like the back peddling done by the 49ers is do to that as well and not what all the media was hyping things as.

 

[hawknation2014]

I look at this a lot like the Lynch accusation earlier in pre season by a women for assault. They said a lot of the same things along the lines of let the truth come out and the Seahawks backed him 100 percent. I don't think a team sticks their neck out much unless they know something. Due Process is a far step from we won't tolerate and he won't be here talk. It also isn't showing your behind him.

The one where Lynch was nowhere near the lady at the time and they didn't even think enough of the accusation to bring him in? Also the Seahawks called the claim "bogus" which is a far cry from "we'll let due process play out"

I am saying that initial reports can be bogus, Seahawks had Lynchs back 100 percent once they inquired, seems like the back peddling done by the 49ers is do to that as well and not what all the media was hyping things as.

No, it's due to the fact that they plan to start him this year and know his trial won't happen until after the season is completed.

 

[hawknation2014]

In other not-news, I'll know doubt get no shortage of crap for this here and will gladly slop up my punishment if need be, but there's a piece of me that thinks there may be more (or less) to this story than I've been assuming.

Three reasons for this:

1) As the team has had more time and investigated more both Baalke and Harbaugh have shifted from their "zero-tolerance" emphasis (which I applaud, and hope they follow through on regardless of the effect on the team if need be) onto a "due process" emphasis. Alone this could just signal that they've decided to play him on Sunday (his actions be damned), but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

2) McDonald's only comments on this have been that the truth will come out and this isn't the type of person he is. Alone this could just mean that Ray McDonald is a friggin idiot and weirdo for saying that the truth will come out, but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

3) We know Goodell has been in repeated contact with the 9ers org, and he too has now come out with a "due process" stance on this, saying that the league will let the legal system decide before making a decision. It's a strange stance for him to take given that Ray Rice largely avoided the legal process by entering a diversionary program, and was still suspended by the NFL (as he should have been), and this was all BEFORE the league's tougher stance (as they should have) on these issues. This coud just signal that Goodell has changed his mind again this week about how the league is going to handle stuff like this, but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

To be clear, I'm not claiming that this IS the case or that there IS more to the story, just that these three things have been tickling at me while I've been assuming the worst for McDonald and his GF. And to be unequivocally clear, if what we've all been assuming is true turns out to be true, as a fan I hope the team cuts him and a judge throws the book at him, and for me that trumps any and all concerns over the team and its record.

Basically, it's just that the org, Goodell, and McDonald all now aren't acting as I'd expect them to act if my assumptions about this incident are correct. We'lll see though.

Either way, I'd guess the team is hoping the DA will charge him or not before Sunday, as they're in a bit of a pickle. If he's charged they can sit him down without pissing off their players for not having his back, and if he's not charged they can play him without pissing off the court of public opinion. it's definitely a balancing act, and definitely not a good place to be in, IMO.

Just a note...

...I have heard some rumors that would suggest there is more to it, but I don't want to lend a voice to them until they are more substantiated.

So much wishful thinking. :177692:

These kinds of posts crack me up.

Of course I'm wishing this isn't true. Aren't you?

I don't live in a fantasy world where bruises magically appeared on his fiance's neck. This douchebag should be in jail, not starting on Sundays for the Santa Clara 49ers.

 

[Marvin49]

So much wishful thinking. :177692:

These kinds of posts crack me up.

Of course I'm wishing this isn't true. Aren't you?

I don't live in a fantasy world where bruises magically appeared on his fiance's neck. This douchebag should be in jail, not starting on Sundays for the Santa Clara 49ers.

You are probably right. After all, unless there is a high school team I don't know about there is no such franchise.

Second, please show me a report of exactly what injuries she had and something that states specifically how she got them. This is the entire problem with your reasoning and the reasoning with peeps in the media. You assume guilt.

The man has his rights. One of those rights is presumed innocence.

If he's guilty (and I have no idea if he is or not), he deserves to be in jail. Even if there is a 1% chance that he's innocent, he deserves his chance not to be tarred and feathered by the media and especially by fans of other teams who have ulterior motives to begin with.

I can only hope that he's innocent. I hope that for his and for the victims sake. I really hope this is all a misunderstanding. Football is completely secondary in all this. If HE thought he couldn't play because there was too much going on and his head wasn't straight, I got no problem with him sitting out. If the team is gonna hold him out just to give in to public pressure when the guy hasn't had his day in court...that's BS to me.

BTW...I actually wouldn't have that big an issue with him sitting out from a football perspective. I'd like to see Dial or Carradine get some playing time. I just don't like people rush to judgment being the thing that's fueling this mandate to sit him.

 

[hawknation2014]

SF Chronicle sports columnist Ann Killion eviscerated Harbaugh in her recent column.

A serious, tense Jim Harbaugh addressed McDonald’s playing status on Wednesday, in his regular weekly session with the media. He reiterated that he has no tolerance for domestic abusers on his team. But he deflected any decision on what to do about McDonald by waving the “due process” flag.

“It’s in the Constitution,” Harbaugh said testily, after taking a rhetorical poll of reporters to see who opposed due process. “Fifth Amendment.”

For those who don’t have a Bill of Rights handy, the Fifth Amendment protects citizens against unfair treatment by the government in the legal process. I searched and couldn’t find a single word that said an employer could not choose to discipline or suspend an employee while awaiting a legal outcome.

But the 49ers, desperate to shore up their decimated defense and eager to win their opening game in Dallas, are turning to the Constitution rather than making a decision on their own.

This isn’t just a test case for Goodell’s new policy. It’s yet another test case for the 49ers own moral compass. And, as you might recall, the team failed pretty badly with their last prominent exam, regarding Aldon Smith.

http://blog.sfgate.com/killion/2014/09/ ... 26410101=0

 

[Marvin49]

SF Chronicle sports columnist Ann Killion eviscerated Harbaugh in her recent column.

A serious, tense Jim Harbaugh addressed McDonald’s playing status on Wednesday, in his regular weekly session with the media. He reiterated that he has no tolerance for domestic abusers on his team. But he deflected any decision on what to do about McDonald by waving the “due process” flag.

“It’s in the Constitution,” Harbaugh said testily, after taking a rhetorical poll of reporters to see who opposed due process. “Fifth Amendment.”

For those who don’t have a Bill of Rights handy, the Fifth Amendment protects citizens against unfair treatment by the government in the legal process. I searched and couldn’t find a single word that said an employer could not choose to discipline or suspend an employee while awaiting a legal outcome.

But the 49ers, desperate to shore up their decimated defense and eager to win their opening game in Dallas, are turning to the Constitution rather than making a decision on their own.

This isn’t just a test case for Goodell’s new policy. It’s yet another test case for the 49ers own moral compass. And, as you might recall, the team failed pretty badly with their last prominent exam, regarding Aldon Smith.

http://blog.sfgate.com/killion/2014/09/ ... 26410101=0

Good for Ann. She has an opinion.

I like her usually, but I think she's full of it right now.

 

[RolandDeschain]

The dictionary referencing in this thread is giving me wood. Can't lie. Good work, everyone.

 

[loafoftatupu]

No, it's due to the fact that they plan to start him this year and know his trial won't happen until after the season is completed.

Yep. The public won't have any real details until then. If those details turn out to be damning (which would surprise me in the 49er District Court of California) the team can always release or suspend him after the fact and just claim they didn't know.

I would bet money that there was an event of domestic violence, but that by the time all the filtering occurs that there will magically be nothing. It will all just be considered a mistake. 911 audio? When George Zimmerman shot Treyvon the 911 audio was not only released, but manipulated by NBC to persuade controversy. Not going to see that with this case. Not a chance.

 

[Marvin49]

No, it's due to the fact that they plan to start him this year and know his trial won't happen until after the season is completed.

Yep. The public won't have any real details until then. If those details turn out to be damning (which would surprise me in the 49er District Court of California) the team can always release or suspend him after the fact and just claim they didn't know.

I would bet money that there was an event of domestic violence, but that by the time all the filtering occurs that there will magically be nothing. It will all just be considered a mistake. 911 audio? When George Zimmerman shot Treyvon the 911 audio was not only released, but manipulated by NBC to persuade controversy. Not going to see that with this case. Not a chance.

See...this is kinda my prob on this board.

I'm on a rival site, so I know the way this game works. Its all in good fun...

...but it's kinda nuts when people effectively presume guilt immediately and then presume conspiracy when charges go away. You can't win. You've effectively created a self fulfilling prophesy which will always strengthen your own belief. Aldon treated harshly? Not harshly enough. Not treated harshly? Someone was paid. Found innocent, well they are clearly guilty so OBVIOUSLY shenanigans.

There is no way to argue this crap. You've already decided and any argument is spin. Rumors are regarded as facts and disproven rumors are regarded as a paid police force or DA. They were accused therefore are guilty if for no other reason than you want it to be true.

That's all fine when we are just having fun...

...but some of ya'll take it seriously. Like you really believe there is some sort of conspiracy. LOL.

 

[Scottemojo]

No, it's due to the fact that they plan to start him this year and know his trial won't happen until after the season is completed.

Yep. The public won't have any real details until then. If those details turn out to be damning (which would surprise me in the 49er District Court of California) the team can always release or suspend him after the fact and just claim they didn't know.

I would bet money that there was an event of domestic violence, but that by the time all the filtering occurs that there will magically be nothing. It will all just be considered a mistake. 911 audio? When George Zimmerman shot Treyvon the 911 audio was not only released, but manipulated by NBC to persuade controversy. Not going to see that with this case. Not a chance.

See...this is kinda my prob on this board.

I'm on a rival site, so I know the way this game works. Its all in good fun...

...but it's kinda nuts when people effectively presume guilt immediately and then presume conspiracy when charges go away. You can't win. You've effectively created a self fulfilling prophesy which will always strengthen your own belief. Aldon treated harshly? Not harshly enough. Not treated harshly? Someone was paid. Found innocent, well they are clearly guilty so OBVIOUSLY shenanigans.

There is no way to argue this crap. You've already decided and any argument is spin. Rumors are regarded as facts and disproven rumors are regarded as a paid police force or DA. They were accused therefore are guilty if for no other reason than you want it to be true.

That's all fine when we are just having fun...

...but some of ya'll take it seriously. Like you really believe there is some sort of conspiracy. LOL.

So Brooks didn't hit anyone over the head with a beer bottle?

 

[hawknation2014]

See...this is kinda my prob on this board.

I'm on a rival site, so I know the way this game works. Its all in good fun...

...but it's kinda nuts when people effectively presume guilt immediately and then presume conspiracy when charges go away. You can't win. You've effectively created a self fulfilling prophesy which will always strengthen your own belief. Aldon treated harshly? Not harshly enough. Not treated harshly? Someone was paid. Found innocent, well they are clearly guilty so OBVIOUSLY shenanigans.

There is no way to argue this crap. You've already decided and any argument is spin. Rumors are regarded as facts and disproven rumors are regarded as a paid police force or DA. They were accused therefore are guilty if for no other reason than you want it to be true.

That's all fine when we are just having fun...

...but some of ya'll take it seriously. Like you really believe there is some sort of conspiracy. LOL.

It's not just Seahawks fans who have noticed a trend with these Santa Clara County investigations. Aldon Smith getting his felonies knocked down to misdemeanors and getting no jail time after a 2nd DUI. Brooks not being arrested after smashing a bottle over a teammate's head. The delays in prosecution against Culliver. Now the police refuse to release the Ray McDonald police report or 911 call.

Per Ann Killion's column:

The wheels of San Jose’s official investigation could grind slowly with the case involving the 49ers, the South Bay’s new celebrity resident.

Here's another column from a 49er beat writer:
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/49ers-mo ... stigation/

49ers have moral obligation to bench McDonald during investigation
September 2nd, 2014 at 9:19 pm Grant Cohn

It’s commendable to support due process. Can’t Baalke and Harbaugh support the victim, too? McDonald’s pregnant fiancé had visible injuries according to the San Jose Police Chief, bruises according to the Sacramento Bee. Someone gave her those bruises. The bruises didn’t magically appear. The 49ers should not allow McDonald to play unless they find evidence that suggests someone other than him caused the bruises.

What if McDonald was a suspect in a murder case? Would the 49ers play him then?

Of course not. No team would play someone who’s under investigation for murder. Playing a murder suspect would be disrespectful to the victim’s family and a potential public relations disaster if the suspect is found guilty.

So there is a line. If a player is accused of a serious crime and there is a victim, the player should not play until there’s been an investigation. The 49ers have a moral obligation to bench McDonald.

The 49ers have a pragmatic reason to bench him, too — it would be a tactical error not to. Playing McDonald would create a distraction for the 49ers.

 

[Marvin49]

No, it's due to the fact that they plan to start him this year and know his trial won't happen until after the season is completed.

Yep. The public won't have any real details until then. If those details turn out to be damning (which would surprise me in the 49er District Court of California) the team can always release or suspend him after the fact and just claim they didn't know.

I would bet money that there was an event of domestic violence, but that by the time all the filtering occurs that there will magically be nothing. It will all just be considered a mistake. 911 audio? When George Zimmerman shot Treyvon the 911 audio was not only released, but manipulated by NBC to persuade controversy. Not going to see that with this case. Not a chance.

See...this is kinda my prob on this board.

I'm on a rival site, so I know the way this game works. Its all in good fun...

...but it's kinda nuts when people effectively presume guilt immediately and then presume conspiracy when charges go away. You can't win. You've effectively created a self fulfilling prophesy which will always strengthen your own belief. Aldon treated harshly? Not harshly enough. Not treated harshly? Someone was paid. Found innocent, well they are clearly guilty so OBVIOUSLY shenanigans.

There is no way to argue this crap. You've already decided and any argument is spin. Rumors are regarded as facts and disproven rumors are regarded as a paid police force or DA. They were accused therefore are guilty if for no other reason than you want it to be true.

That's all fine when we are just having fun...

...but some of ya'll take it seriously. Like you really believe there is some sort of conspiracy. LOL.

So Brooks didn't hit anyone over the head with a beer bottle?

Ah man, not you too.

 

[Marvin49]

See...this is kinda my prob on this board.

I'm on a rival site, so I know the way this game works. Its all in good fun...

...but it's kinda nuts when people effectively presume guilt immediately and then presume conspiracy when charges go away. You can't win. You've effectively created a self fulfilling prophesy which will always strengthen your own belief. Aldon treated harshly? Not harshly enough. Not treated harshly? Someone was paid. Found innocent, well they are clearly guilty so OBVIOUSLY shenanigans.

There is no way to argue this crap. You've already decided and any argument is spin. Rumors are regarded as facts and disproven rumors are regarded as a paid police force or DA. They were accused therefore are guilty if for no other reason than you want it to be true.

That's all fine when we are just having fun...

...but some of ya'll take it seriously. Like you really believe there is some sort of conspiracy. LOL.

It's not just Seahawks fans who have noticed a trend with these Santa Clara County investigations. Aldon Smith getting his felonies knocked down to misdemeanors and getting no jail time after a 2nd DUI. Brooks not being arrested after smashing a bottle over a teammate's head. The delays in prosecution against Culliver. Now the police refuse to release the Ray McDonald police report or 911 call.

Per Ann Killion's column:

The wheels of San Jose’s official investigation could grind slowly with the case involving the 49ers, the South Bay’s new celebrity resident.

Here's another column from a 49er beat writer:
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/49ers-mo ... stigation/

49ers have moral obligation to bench McDonald during investigation
September 2nd, 2014 at 9:19 pm Grant Cohn

It’s commendable to support due process. Can’t Baalke and Harbaugh support the victim, too? McDonald’s pregnant fiancé had visible injuries according to the San Jose Police Chief, bruises according to the Sacramento Bee. Someone gave her those bruises. The bruises didn’t magically appear. The 49ers should not allow McDonald to play unless they find evidence that suggests someone other than him caused the bruises.

What if McDonald was a suspect in a murder case? Would the 49ers play him then?

Of course not. No team would play someone who’s under investigation for murder. Playing a murder suspect would be disrespectful to the victim’s family and a potential public relations disaster if the suspect is found guilty.

So there is a line. If a player is accused of a serious crime and there is a victim, the player should not play until there’s been an investigation. The 49ers have a moral obligation to bench McDonald.

The 49ers have a pragmatic reason to bench him, too — it would be a tactical error not to. Playing McDonald would create a distraction for the 49ers.

Anns got a thorn in her butt on this one no doubt....

....and what have I told you about anything written by a Cohn?

 

[hawknation2014]

Anns got a thorn in her butt on this one no doubt....

....and what have I told you about anything written by a Cohn?

Writers who objectively view a controversy involving the 49ers offend Marvin. They do not live in fantasy land.

 

[Marvin49]

Anns got a thorn in her butt on this one no doubt....

....and what have I told you about anything written by a Cohn?

Writers who objectively view a controversy involving the 49ers offend Marvin. They do not live in fantasy land.

No, I actually like Ann. I think she's got a burr in her saddle here and I disagree with her, but she's a very good journalist and I respect her opinion.

The Cohns and Kawakami are complete hacks who are in it for nothing but mouseclicks.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Second, please show me a report of exactly what injuries she had and something that states specifically how she got them. This is the entire problem with your reasoning and the reasoning with peeps in the media. You assume guilt.

The sacbee mentions the injuries here

http://www.sacbee.com/2014/09/01/666856 ... unday.html

Of course no one is reporting that McDonald made the bruises. The comment was that the bruises didn't just magically appear and a 911 phone call was made. Sure... there is a possibility that the bruise fairy showed up, that a pregnant woman conspired to teach her man a lesson or that someone else made the bruises on this girl. But it was Ray that was arrested for FELONY DV, a 911 call was made and the reports are that the fiance has bruises on her neck.

But yeah... there is no certified video evidence.

 

[lvnginhwktwn]

Second, please show me a report of exactly what injuries she had and something that states specifically how she got them. This is the entire problem with your reasoning and the reasoning with peeps in the media. You assume guilt.

The sacbee mentions the injuries here

http://www.sacbee.com/2014/09/01/666856 ... unday.html

Of course no one is reporting that McDonald made the bruises. The comment was that the bruises didn't just magically appear and a 911 phone call was made. Sure... there is a possibility that the bruise fairy showed up, that a pregnant woman conspired to teach her man a lesson or that someone else made the bruises on this girl. But it was Ray that was arrested for FELONY DV, a 911 call was made and the reports are that the fiance has bruises on her neck.

But yeah... there is no certified video evidence.

So you've never had to physically restrain a friend acting stupid at a party or bar? How many of you have ever had your Ole lady snap at a party when she was drunk and had to hog tie her to get her to settle down. I know you guys would just love to see another 9er get suspended but there might actually be more to the story.

 

[-The Glove-]

I look at this a lot like the Lynch accusation earlier in pre season by a women for assault. They said a lot of the same things along the lines of let the truth come out and the Seahawks backed him 100 percent. I don't think a team sticks their neck out much unless they know something. Due Process is a far step from we won't tolerate and he won't be here talk. It also isn't showing your behind him.

The one where Lynch was nowhere near the lady at the time and they didn't even think enough of the accusation to bring him in? Also the Seahawks called the claim "bogus" which is a far cry from "we'll let due process play out"

I am saying that initial reports can be bogus, Seahawks had Lynchs back 100 percent once they inquired, seems like the back peddling done by the 49ers is do to that as well and not what all the media was hyping things as.

...

 

[TAB420]

Second, please show me a report of exactly what injuries she had and something that states specifically how she got them. This is the entire problem with your reasoning and the reasoning with peeps in the media. You assume guilt.

The sacbee mentions the injuries here

http://www.sacbee.com/2014/09/01/666856 ... unday.html

Of course no one is reporting that McDonald made the bruises. The comment was that the bruises didn't just magically appear and a 911 phone call was made. Sure... there is a possibility that the bruise fairy showed up, that a pregnant woman conspired to teach her man a lesson or that someone else made the bruises on this girl. But it was Ray that was arrested for FELONY DV, a 911 call was made and the reports are that the fiance has bruises on her neck.

But yeah... there is no certified video evidence.

So you've never had to physically restrain a friend acting stupid at a party or bar? How many of you have ever had your Ole lady snap at a party when she was drunk and had to hog tie her to get her to settle down. I know you guys would just love to see another 9er get suspended but there might actually be more to the story.

Never had to restrain my girlfriend/wife around the neck, so that it left bruises.