Ray McDonald arrested for domestic violence...

[Marvin49]

Dunno why any of the spin guys have yet to imply that the "victim" could of accidentally walked into Rays hands to be strangled or slapped/punched. You know good old Ray was just telling some war stories when that silly girl walked in at the wrong time.

While we are at it lets assassinate her character also. Why is a pregnant young lady up at 3am involved in a house party? Seems like a terrible future mother. For all we know good old Ray was trying to get her to go upstairs and rest to protect the baby. She resisted him and as he tried his best to do what was right accidentally hurt her. She then overreacts and calls the cops. All because good old Ray was looking out for a fetus. Deplorable, for any of you to think Ray would harm a fetus.

***Ray's lawyers just called me and want me to help represent him with my side of the story***

Cracks me up...please give me an example of "spin" in this thread?

Please give me one example of any Niner fan here saying a single negative word about the victim.

Seems to me that you are the only one callous enough to even suggest it. Get off the soapbox.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Dunno why any of the spin guys have yet to imply that the "victim" could of accidentally walked into Rays hands to be strangled or slapped/punched. You know good old Ray was just telling some war stories when that silly girl walked in at the wrong time.

While we are at it lets assassinate her character also. Why is a pregnant young lady up at 3am involved in a house party? Seems like a terrible future mother. For all we know good old Ray was trying to get her to go upstairs and rest to protect the baby. She resisted him and as he tried his best to do what was right accidentally hurt her. She then overreacts and calls the cops. All because good old Ray was looking out for a fetus. Deplorable, for any of you to think Ray would harm a fetus.

***Ray's lawyers just called me and want me to help represent him with my side of the story***

Cracks me up...please give me an example of "spin" in this thread?

Please give me one example of any Niner fan here saying a single negative word about the victim.

Seems to me that you are the only one callous enough to even suggest it. Get off the soapbox.

Um read ANY of your posts for "spin". That's all you do fella!

 

[Scottemojo]

Dunno why any of the spin guys have yet to imply that the "victim" could of accidentally walked into Rays hands to be strangled or slapped/punched. You know good old Ray was just telling some war stories when that silly girl walked in at the wrong time.

While we are at it lets assassinate her character also. Why is a pregnant young lady up at 3am involved in a house party? Seems like a terrible future mother. For all we know good old Ray was trying to get her to go upstairs and rest to protect the baby. She resisted him and as he tried his best to do what was right accidentally hurt her. She then overreacts and calls the cops. All because good old Ray was looking out for a fetus. Deplorable, for any of you to think Ray would harm a fetus.

***Ray's lawyers just called me and want me to help represent him with my side of the story***

Cracks me up...please give me an example of "spin" in this thread?

Please give me one example of any Niner fan here saying a single negative word about the victim.

Seems to me that you are the only one callous enough to even suggest it. Get off the soapbox.

Well, you did change the wording of the title. Dispute was some spin for sure.

 

[Popeyejones]

Any hedges as to the next 9er arrest?

Popeye for jaywalking while trolling the .net on his smart phone.
8)

:lol:

Nah dude, I'm just a garden variety, cantankerous piece of sh!t even when I'm not trolling.

Me trolling would make Marvin look like Martin Luther King.

 

[Marvin49]

Dunno why any of the spin guys have yet to imply that the "victim" could of accidentally walked into Rays hands to be strangled or slapped/punched. You know good old Ray was just telling some war stories when that silly girl walked in at the wrong time.

While we are at it lets assassinate her character also. Why is a pregnant young lady up at 3am involved in a house party? Seems like a terrible future mother. For all we know good old Ray was trying to get her to go upstairs and rest to protect the baby. She resisted him and as he tried his best to do what was right accidentally hurt her. She then overreacts and calls the cops. All because good old Ray was looking out for a fetus. Deplorable, for any of you to think Ray would harm a fetus.

***Ray's lawyers just called me and want me to help represent him with my side of the story***

Cracks me up...please give me an example of "spin" in this thread?

Please give me one example of any Niner fan here saying a single negative word about the victim.

Seems to me that you are the only one callous enough to even suggest it. Get off the soapbox.

Well, you did change the wording of the title. Dispute was some spin for sure.

LOL. Seriously?

I wasn't even thinking about it when I typed it. You guys put a lot more though into it than I did.

 

[Marvin49]

Any hedges as to the next 9er arrest?

Popeye for jaywalking while trolling the .net on his smart phone.
8)

:lol:

Nah dude, I'm just a garden variety, cantankerous piece of sh!t even when I'm not trolling.

Me trolling would make Marvin look like Martin Luther King.

LOL.

 

[Scottemojo]

Well, you did change the wording of the title. Dispute was some spin for sure.

LOL. Seriously?

Yep. unless there was some other reason you changed it. Is there?

 

[Marvin49]

Well, you did change the wording of the title. Dispute was some spin for sure.

LOL. Seriously?

Yep. unless there was some other reason you changed it. Is there?

I changed it because someone complained about it. LOL.

I never put any thought into it...it was just the first word that occurred to me.

 

[Popeyejones]

Well, you did change the wording of the title. Dispute was some spin for sure.

LOL. Seriously?

Yep. unless there was some other reason you changed it. Is there?

I changed it because someone complained about it. LOL.

I never put any thought into it...it was just the first word that occurred to me.

It was the first word because it's appropriate legal terminology, particularly given that we didn't have it confirmed that any physical violence had occured until several days after the thread title was created:

http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/domestic-dispute/

That said, for our purposes "dispute" or "disturbance" or "violence" all reasongably work as synonyms in this context (a football messageboard; not a formal, legal forum). While "violence" now appears to be more correct than was known when the thread was created, none of these terms would have created confusion as to what we were talking about (nor have they). Basically, it's stupid nitpicking IMO rather than being a smoking cap gun.

In changing the thread title (with I'm fine with and couldn't care less about; again, we all know what we're discussing in this thread), as your learning, you were basically trying to appease some folks who have no interest at all in being appeased. Good for you, but so it goes.

 

[Marvin49]

LOL. Seriously?

Yep. unless there was some other reason you changed it. Is there?

I changed it because someone complained about it. LOL.

I never put any thought into it...it was just the first word that occurred to me.

It was the first word because it's appropriate legal terminology, particularly given that we didn't have it confirmed that any physical violence had occured until several days after the thread title was created:

http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/domestic-dispute/

That said, for our purposes "dispute" or "disturbance" or "violence" all reasongably work as synonyms in this context (a football messageboard; not a formal, legal forum). While "violence" now appears to be more correct than was known when the thread was created, none of these terms would have created confusion as to what we were talking about (nor have they). Basically, it's stupid nitpicking IMO rather than being a smoking cap gun.

In changing the thread title (with I'm fine with and couldn't care less about; again, we all know what we're discussing in this thread), as your learning, you were basically trying to appease some folks who have no interest at all in being appeased. Good for you, but so it goes.

All of this.

 

[loafoftatupu]

:lol:

Nah dude, I'm just a garden variety, cantankerous piece of sh!t even when I'm not trolling.

Me trolling would make Marvin look like Martin Luther King.

LMAO!

 

[hawknation2014]

It was the first word because it's appropriate legal terminology, particularly given that we didn't have it confirmed that any physical violence had occured until several days after the thread title was created:

http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/domestic-dispute/

That said, for our purposes "dispute" or "disturbance" or "violence" all reasongably work as synonyms in this context (a football messageboard; not a formal, legal forum). While "violence" now appears to be more correct than was known when the thread was created, none of these terms would have created confusion as to what we were talking about (nor have they). Basically, it's stupid nitpicking IMO rather than being a smoking cap gun.

In changing the thread title (with I'm fine with and couldn't care less about; again, we all know what we're discussing in this thread), as your learning, you were basically trying to appease some folks who have no interest at all in being appeased. Good for you, but so it goes.

You would have to be an idiot to think a domestic "dispute" conveys the same meaning as domestic "violence." Oh, I forgot . . . you're a 49er fan.

dis·pute noun \di-ˈspyüt, ˈdis-ˌpyüt\
: a disagreement or argument
1 a : verbal controversy : debate
b : quarrel
2 obsolete : physical combat

vi·o·lence noun \ˈvī-lən(t)s, ˈvī-ə-\
: the use of physical force to harm someone, to damage property, etc.

One word means a mutual, verbal disagreement between two or more people. As shown above, use of "dispute" to imply physical violence is an obsolete use of the word.

The other word means the use of physical force to harm someone. This is what Ray McDonald was arrested and charged with . . . felony domestic violence against his pregnant fiance.

Marvin, the spin master, intentionally selected the word for his title that does not convey the accusation of physical violence against a 49er player. If McDonald was merely accused of a dispute with his fiance, he would not have been arrested in the first place.

 

[Popeyejones]

The other word means the use of physical force to harm someone. This is what Ray McDonald was arrested and charged with . . . felony domestic violence against his pregnant fiance.

1. If you wanna play legalese the term you're looking for is corporal injury on a domestic partner.

2. If you wanna play legalese Ray McDonald has yet to be charged with anything. He was arrested, not charged (yet, maybe).

3. I'l now stop pretending that it's legalese that you want to play. You wanna rant, and that's cool. It's a rival team's messageboard, of course.*



*(and if he's not charged, regardless of what emerges and the reasons why, it will no doubt be another mark for some here of the massive conspiracy to hold down the Hawks and prop their rivals up... )

 

[Popeyejones]

In other not-news, I'll know doubt get no shortage of crap for this here and will gladly slop up my punishment if need be, but there's a piece of me that thinks there may be more (or less) to this story than I've been assuming.

Three reasons for this:

1) As the team has had more time and investigated more both Baalke and Harbaugh have shifted from their "zero-tolerance" emphasis (which I applaud, and hope they follow through on regardless of the effect on the team if need be) onto a "due process" emphasis. Alone this could just signal that they've decided to play him on Sunday (his actions be damned), but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

2) McDonald's only comments on this have been that the truth will come out and this isn't the type of person he is. Alone this could just mean that Ray McDonald is a friggin idiot and weirdo for saying that the truth will come out, but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

3) We know Goodell has been in repeated contact with the 9ers org, and he too has now come out with a "due process" stance on this, saying that the league will let the legal system decide before making a decision. It's a strange stance for him to take given that Ray Rice largely avoided the legal process by entering a diversionary program, and was still suspended by the NFL (as he should have been), and this was all BEFORE the league's tougher stance (as they should have) on these issues. This coud just signal that Goodell has changed his mind again this week about how the league is going to handle stuff like this, but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

To be clear, I'm not claiming that this IS the case or that there IS more to the story, just that these three things have been tickling at me while I've been assuming the worst for McDonald and his GF. And to be unequivocally clear, if what we've all been assuming is true turns out to be true, as a fan I hope the team cuts him and a judge throws the book at him, and for me that trumps any and all concerns over the team and its record.

Basically, it's just that the org, Goodell, and McDonald all now aren't acting as I'd expect them to act if my assumptions about this incident are correct. We'lll see though.

Either way, I'd guess the team is hoping the DA will charge him or not before Sunday, as they're in a bit of a pickle. If he's charged they can sit him down without pissing off their players for not having his back, and if he's not charged they can play him without pissing off the court of public opinion. it's definitely a balancing act, and definitely not a good place to be in, IMO.

 

[Marvin49]

In other not-news, I'll know doubt get no shortage of crap for this here and will gladly slop up my punishment if need be, but there's a piece of me that thinks there may be more (or less) to this story than I've been assuming.

Three reasons for this:

1) As the team has had more time and investigated more both Baalke and Harbaugh have shifted from their "zero-tolerance" emphasis (which I applaud, and hope they follow through on regardless of the effect on the team if need be) onto a "due process" emphasis. Alone this could just signal that they've decided to play him on Sunday (his actions be damned), but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

2) McDonald's only comments on this have been that the truth will come out and this isn't the type of person he is. Alone this could just mean that Ray McDonald is a friggin idiot and weirdo for saying that the truth will come out, but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

3) We know Goodell has been in repeated contact with the 9ers org, and he too has now come out with a "due process" stance on this, saying that the league will let the legal system decide before making a decision. It's a strange stance for him to take given that Ray Rice largely avoided the legal process by entering a diversionary program, and was still suspended by the NFL (as he should have been), and this was all BEFORE the league's tougher stance (as they should have) on these issues. This coud just signal that Goodell has changed his mind again this week about how the league is going to handle stuff like this, but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

To be clear, I'm not claiming that this IS the case or that there IS more to the story, just that these three things have been tickling at me while I've been assuming the worst for McDonald and his GF. And to be unequivocally clear, if what we've all been assuming is true turns out to be true, as a fan I hope the team cuts him and a judge throws the book at him, and for me that trumps any and all concerns over the team and its record.

Basically, it's just that the org, Goodell, and McDonald all now aren't acting as I'd expect them to act if my assumptions about this incident are correct. We'lll see though.

Either way, I'd guess the team is hoping the DA will charge him or not before Sunday, as they're in a bit of a pickle. If he's charged they can sit him down without pissing off their players for not having his back, and if he's not charged they can play him without pissing off the court of public opinion. it's definitely a balancing act, and definitely not a good place to be in, IMO.

Just a note...

...I have heard some rumors that would suggest there is more to it, but I don't want to lend a voice to them until they are more substantiated.

 

[Laloosh]

*(and if he's not charged, regardless of what emerges and the reasons why, it will no doubt be another mark for some here of the massive conspiracy to hold down the Hawks and prop their rivals up... )

The perception around here isn't that it's a conspiracy to hold down the Hawks. Is that honestly the point you want to make or is that just a jab at SEA fans because you felt like sticking one in there?

As far as criminal acts related to Niner players go. There's only one that I take issue with as far as the cops/DA down there. The Brooks incident. I'm not as familiar w/ the legal system as some of you but it bugs the hell out of me that Brooks walked in that situation and it bugs me just as much that his coach wasn't bothered by it enough to do something about it.

Aldon's having to answer for what he did. Culliver was charged for his crimes and we'll see how that plays out. If there is evidence in McDonald's case and he endangered or attacked his fiance, I think he'll be held accountable by the courts and by the league.

Brooks literally could have killed someone with that shit. Charges or no charges, that's supposed to be his friend/teammate and nothing was done about it. Even if the friend/teammate doesn't press charges, you better believe that the team sent the message that it's "tolerable". What did they do, give him a "talking to"? It's things like that going unpunished that feeds the idea that these guys can get away with anything (I don't care who they play for). It bugs the hell out of me.

Conspiracy to hold down the Hawks? No. Looking the other way because you need him to play football? Absolutely.

Don't get me wrong, this happens everywhere with teams looking the other way. I just think it should end. Violent crimes and DUI should be taken much more seriously by the team(s) .

I think Marshawn should have been punished by the team for blowing a .08 BTW. I love the guy but drinking and driving is ridiculous. If the team had suspended Lynch for a game or two for even being a hair above the legal limit (plead down to wet reckless or whatever), it would have told the team that it's not tolerable and that they expect more of their guys.

I'd have been pissed about the impact on the team but that's kind of the point isn't it? Don't do stupid shit that's going to put your team in that position.

 

[Largent80]

Bottom line is this kind of activity has no place in a sport where the fans may possibly be more passionate about their adopted team than the players themselves.

It isn't a reflection of the coaches or anything else. Just piss poor decision making in the heat of a moment.

Take a look at the airlines lately. Some dude keeps a woman from putting her seat back and she throws a drink in his face.

People are so on edge these days, it is so different than when I was growing up. Plus we have the media to blow it so far out of proportion. At least in here for the most part, we have some decent discussion, but it is also biased to our teams.

Lynch got off to easy. Even though he is one of my fav. players and I have his jersey, he drove drunk and should have paid for it. I got one in 1988. Learned my lesson, after a large penalty. Money talks in our judicial system. The NFL has so much of our money, we deserve better.

 

[hawknation2014]

In other not-news, I'll know doubt get no shortage of crap for this here and will gladly slop up my punishment if need be, but there's a piece of me that thinks there may be more (or less) to this story than I've been assuming.

Three reasons for this:

1) As the team has had more time and investigated more both Baalke and Harbaugh have shifted from their "zero-tolerance" emphasis (which I applaud, and hope they follow through on regardless of the effect on the team if need be) onto a "due process" emphasis. Alone this could just signal that they've decided to play him on Sunday (his actions be damned), but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

2) McDonald's only comments on this have been that the truth will come out and this isn't the type of person he is. Alone this could just mean that Ray McDonald is a friggin idiot and weirdo for saying that the truth will come out, but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

3) We know Goodell has been in repeated contact with the 9ers org, and he too has now come out with a "due process" stance on this, saying that the league will let the legal system decide before making a decision. It's a strange stance for him to take given that Ray Rice largely avoided the legal process by entering a diversionary program, and was still suspended by the NFL (as he should have been), and this was all BEFORE the league's tougher stance (as they should have) on these issues. This coud just signal that Goodell has changed his mind again this week about how the league is going to handle stuff like this, but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

To be clear, I'm not claiming that this IS the case or that there IS more to the story, just that these three things have been tickling at me while I've been assuming the worst for McDonald and his GF. And to be unequivocally clear, if what we've all been assuming is true turns out to be true, as a fan I hope the team cuts him and a judge throws the book at him, and for me that trumps any and all concerns over the team and its record.

Basically, it's just that the org, Goodell, and McDonald all now aren't acting as I'd expect them to act if my assumptions about this incident are correct. We'lll see though.

Either way, I'd guess the team is hoping the DA will charge him or not before Sunday, as they're in a bit of a pickle. If he's charged they can sit him down without pissing off their players for not having his back, and if he's not charged they can play him without pissing off the court of public opinion. it's definitely a balancing act, and definitely not a good place to be in, IMO.

Just a note...

...I have heard some rumors that would suggest there is more to it, but I don't want to lend a voice to them until they are more substantiated.

So much wishful thinking. :177692:

 

[Marvin49]

In other not-news, I'll know doubt get no shortage of crap for this here and will gladly slop up my punishment if need be, but there's a piece of me that thinks there may be more (or less) to this story than I've been assuming.

Three reasons for this:

1) As the team has had more time and investigated more both Baalke and Harbaugh have shifted from their "zero-tolerance" emphasis (which I applaud, and hope they follow through on regardless of the effect on the team if need be) onto a "due process" emphasis. Alone this could just signal that they've decided to play him on Sunday (his actions be damned), but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

2) McDonald's only comments on this have been that the truth will come out and this isn't the type of person he is. Alone this could just mean that Ray McDonald is a friggin idiot and weirdo for saying that the truth will come out, but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

3) We know Goodell has been in repeated contact with the 9ers org, and he too has now come out with a "due process" stance on this, saying that the league will let the legal system decide before making a decision. It's a strange stance for him to take given that Ray Rice largely avoided the legal process by entering a diversionary program, and was still suspended by the NFL (as he should have been), and this was all BEFORE the league's tougher stance (as they should have) on these issues. This coud just signal that Goodell has changed his mind again this week about how the league is going to handle stuff like this, but treating all three of these bullet points holistically, it could also mean there's more to the story.

To be clear, I'm not claiming that this IS the case or that there IS more to the story, just that these three things have been tickling at me while I've been assuming the worst for McDonald and his GF. And to be unequivocally clear, if what we've all been assuming is true turns out to be true, as a fan I hope the team cuts him and a judge throws the book at him, and for me that trumps any and all concerns over the team and its record.

Basically, it's just that the org, Goodell, and McDonald all now aren't acting as I'd expect them to act if my assumptions about this incident are correct. We'lll see though.

Either way, I'd guess the team is hoping the DA will charge him or not before Sunday, as they're in a bit of a pickle. If he's charged they can sit him down without pissing off their players for not having his back, and if he's not charged they can play him without pissing off the court of public opinion. it's definitely a balancing act, and definitely not a good place to be in, IMO.

Just a note...

...I have heard some rumors that would suggest there is more to it, but I don't want to lend a voice to them until they are more substantiated.

So much wishful thinking. :177692:

These kinds of posts crack me up.

Of course I'm wishing this isn't true. Aren't you?

 

[chris98251]

I look at this a lot like the Lynch accusation earlier in pre season by a women for assault. They said a lot of the same things along the lines of let the truth come out and the Seahawks backed him 100 percent. I don't think a team sticks their neck out much unless they know something. Due Process is a far step from we won't tolerate and he won't be here talk. It also isn't showing your behind him.