Rashid Shaheed (Playing Armchair GM)

[Seahawker]

A big no to 15M, this is a fast draft.
I do like Shaheed a bunch though, hope we keep him and think he deserves a nice contract.

 

[glenwo2]

There many angles from which to look at the numbers though. Was the SB win worth $15 M (?) for a year of Rasheed's gamechanging playmaking? I love Horton but I also suspect he will always, due to physical stature, be susceptible to injury. Another factor is the amount of money the salary cap increases every year. How much is $15M really worth?

See, the Horton injury-concern factor also comes into play here.

Maybe Horton gets that under control and he remains healthy the rest of his career (or for the majority of it) but we're going to need insurance in case that doesn't happen which is why before I saw this, I was all for re-signing Shaheed.

Now? I don't know what's going to happen 'cause if we lose both Walker and Sheed, we're looking for a WR in the draft and trading for a RB or something.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Starting at your 35 is pretty great. Having a punter kick it out of bounds to give you an extra 15 years is also pretty great. He's also used on end-arounds and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up getting a lot more targets this year, and closer to 65 the following year if JSN is getting grumpier.

When did JSN ever get grumpy?

I kid........

 

[Runscott]

When did JSN ever get grumpy?

I kid........

He always portrayed being enamored with Seattle, then the "I wanna be highest paid receiver" thing came up. Go to friggin Cleveland or Las Vegas or Arizona, get your money and enjoy having the playoffs free to spend with your family. I bet if Darnold got injured and Josh Allen could take a pay cut and come to Seattle, he'd be all over us.

 

[samwize77]

Players like Shaheed should only be signed to heavily incentive driven contracts. I am no GM, but for me 7-8 million base a year max, but much more with good numbers. You simply do not pay someone 15 mil a year for as few amount of touches as he gets. We all love the man, no doubt....but business is business and sentimentality has very little room in the cap.

*I'm going to edit this by saying Shaheed has an impact on the game by just being on the field. Our offense will start on the 35 every time just by not kicking to him (giving him a chance for a return) and those "invisible" yards add up. Still I stand by my statement above, but acknowledge this fact.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He always portrayed being enamored with Seattle, then the "I wanna be highest paid receiver" thing came up. Go to friggin Cleveland or Las Vegas or Arizona, get your money and enjoy having the playoffs free to spend with your family. I bet if Darnold got injured and Josh Allen could take a pay cut and come to Seattle, he'd be all over us.

What is he supposed to say? "I love it here; I'll take a hometown discount"

Just not reality. Someone asked him a question, he answered it. No different than 95 percent of the players out there who are due a big payday.
If you're a top 3 WR in the entire league, why in the world wouldn't you want to be the highest paid?

 

[Runscott]

I'll add -

What is he supposed to say? "I love it here; I'll take a hometown discount"

Just not reality. Someone asked him a question, he answered it. No different than 95 percent of the players out there who are due a big payday.

Sure, that's what he's supposed to say (says the Straw Man).

 

[Torc]

Shaheed should be paid like one of the top kick returners in the league, because he is one. The tag for receivers should be irrelevant - Shaheed and Pickens have entirely different roles on their team. I'd be happy if we paid him like a top kick returner and had generous incentives for receiving goals. That way if he earns more touches on the offensive side, he gets compensated.

 

[sutz]

Well, I wish we knew something about Horton's condition/recovery. I'm glad that the office knows more than we do (they always do), but it's hard to really make a decision on Shaheed with that hanging over the team.

Oh, and it's my opinion that the average fan is thinking 2-3 years behind the current salary cap numbers. We never really know how much it will go up in the future, but barring something like the pandemic happening it always goes up by some amount, generally in the 5-10% range.

Contracts always include two important considerations:

1) It's a reward for past performance. Most folks kind of ignore this part.

2) It's is predictive of future performance/value to the team.

We really haven't seen Shaheed perform much in our current offense, but we haven't needed him to win games in that aspect. Throw in a now OC and what happens this off-season and the folks in the front office have their work cut out.

Would love to see Shaheed on the roster going forward, but I understand the concerns about cost.

 

[Runscott]

Players like Shaheed should only be signed to heavily incentive driven contracts. I am no GM, but for me 7-8 million base a year max, but much more with good numbers. You simply do not pay someone 15 mil a year for as few amount of touches as he gets. We all love the man, no doubt....but business is business and sentimentality has very little room in the cap.

*I'm going to edit this by saying Shaheed has an impact on the game by just being on the field. Our offense will start on the 35 every time just by not kicking to him (giving him a chance for a return) and those "invisible" yards add up. Still I stand by my statement above, but acknowledge this fact.

I don't think he would buy into this - he was a good receiver at NO, getting a lot of targets. Turning him into a return man and paying him based on touches you don't plan on giving him shouldn't sit well with him. He'll make a lot more as a receiver somewhere else.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I like the thought of incentives in the contract. There's no denying how incredible he is as a returner. Or about his speed. As far as a WR, hard to say how good he really is. Having a full off season and time to work with Sam would help immensely. I like the player a LOT. But I just don't think he's worth a huge $ contract.

 

[Grahamhawker]

Considering the guy tied for the top returner in the league is a 4th round rookie no one has ever heard of, I'd much rather roll the dice there than at RB.
Shaheed's numbers for the year were not even exceptional. But his timing sure was...

 

[chris98251]

Make them all happy, not my money just put the contender we had last season back on the field. This is the time of year I hate, between fantasy football, the unrealistic draft situations along with trading a offensive line for Max because you can get RB's, WR's O lineman, anywhere, anytime thought process makes it hard to read anything published right now.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt, not my money.

3....2.....1........

 

[MORGULON]

The Seahawks don’t win the TNF game against the Rams without Shaheed.

Special teams and field position is so impactful for the Seahawks defense as a whole with punting.

Shaheed, dictated everything on field positioning for the Seahawks when they were back on offense.

Shaheed, puts the offense in better scoring position because he was so vital on special teams. I think you gotta retain Shaheed just cause he is so important with field position he gives to the offense. You gotta pay Shaheed.

You don’t win close games without Shaheed on special teams.

Shaheed is worth the contact alone on special teams cause he is puts Seattle in better field positioning. I think that is incredibly underrated and almost under appreciated because now you expect just anyone can do this, but, no, these type of game changers aren’t guys that grow on trees.

I don't think you like Shaheed

 

[CPHawk]

Geez. If 12/14 or whatever is too much for K9, how is 15 not too much for Shaheed? The way he was used in the offense he's a WR3, and likely more like 4th/5th in the target tree. He's obviously a dynamic returner, but ST's are more than just one guy. Seems like we may need to find the next one at that price. Horton had a higher return average, for ex. And literally every other returner near Shaheed's average is on a rookie deal iirc. His averages were not 15/ territory, nor was his TD rate. His timing was great on the two return TDs he had this year.

While I agree we underused him. In New Orleans he had 45 catches before coming over to Seattle. I think if he can get to that type of production, I’d say he’s worth the money. We just need to get him the ball

 

[Grahamhawker]

While I agree we underused him. In New Orleans he had 45 catches before coming over to Seattle. I think if he can get to that type of production, I’d say he’s work the money. We just need to get him the ball

Yeah, only way he's worth 15M/ is if they're sure they can incorporate him into the passing offense much more consistently.

 

[samwize77]

I don't think he would buy into this - he was a good receiver at NO, getting a lot of targets. Turning him into a return man and paying him based on touches you don't plan on giving him shouldn't sit well with him. He'll make a lot more as a receiver somewhere else.

I doubt he'd buy into it also. Everyone wants the biggest checks they can get. Go to the highest bidder then. Tough loss on our part. But both player and organization will agree...in the end its a business. And no, its not like we'd intentionally NOT throw to him. He has to share the passing attempts with arguably the best WR in the game, a one time best WR in the game, an up and coming WR(Horton), a flourishing TE, and a back field thats pretty good at catching the ball. His bread and butter with the Hawks comes on special teams. And that means limited touches.

 

[Timberhawk]

I love Shaheed, but he's not worth $15 million per year.

After this year, opponents are going to avoid kicking to him as much as they can, reducing his value. As a recceiver, he just isn't as effective as other speedsters. Also, remember that Tory Horton had a long punt return for a TD before his injury. It's not only about Shaheed, it's about how well the special teams are coached.

Shaheed: 9 games, 15 receptions for 188 yards
Horton: 8 games (only 3 starts), 13 receptions for 161 yards

Punt returns:
Shaheed: 14.7 average, 1 TD
Horton: 14.9 average, 1 TD

Thanks for the numbers! I was wondering about this exact thing. I think with Horton healthy we still win the TNF game against the Rams.

If Horton comes back healthy I would be hesitant to pay Shaheed more than 10-12 m a year. And I love Rasheed. I also love that he seems a high character; 12 is one, player but still the salary cap is the cap and in the end it’s the boss.

 

[CPHawk]

Thanks for the numbers! I was wondering about this exact thing. I think with Horton healthy we still win the TNF game against the Rams.

If Horton comes back healthy I would be hesitant to pay Shaheed more than 10-12 m a year. And I love Rasheed. I also love that he seems a high character; 12 is one, player but still the salary cap is the cap and in the end it’s the boss.

Unfortunately Horton is never healthy. That’s how he dropped so far in the draft.